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Hold it right there. Who are you to speak for the entire human race? Are you a biology professor or a researcher? You don't sound like one. You don't even seem to know how scientific papers are referenced. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
lol. Would you say it's far fetched to say we are not masters at knowing what we are? Who am I to speak for the human race? I am one. A sovereign entity. I think it's pretty clear that we barely know about ourselves. If you think we know everything, then you must be dumbfounded every single day when we learn more. lol...
Who is pretending?Anyone of this planet, who says they know everything about genetics, is pretending.
I myself am a physicist-in-training...Good for you, I hope you develop/find/etc and further our knowledge in physics.
but I have some close friends who work in labs that deal with genetics and I've spoken to them about this. I know them well enough to tell you that if they claim to know what something does, they know it.I could tell you I know what the heart does, when speaking in certain context. Would I know the entire hearts process? That's a whole diff story. Do you think they would be speaking in context when they say they know something? Like they know +A1, +A2, -A5 = Xdesired effect, but not the entire matrix surrounding the applied change.
Ask them sometime if they think they know every possible effect any particular genetic alteration could have, when speaking in short term, long term, etc... Maybe you will be suprised..
We know how cancer comes about; we just don't know how to stop it. I haven't looked into AIDS but I assume there are some plausible theories about it by now. In any case, I do not see your point.You mean we know what causes cancer in individuals. How about why it's there in the first place? When and why it started happening in humans, etc.
My point is such things are tied to genetics, obviously. Saying we know everything there is to know about genetics is like saying you know html because you know a few simple commands by trial and error, ignorant of the entire system applied. Just knowing how to manipulate certain things within the system. Now unless your system is expungeable you don't go ****ing around majorly with stuff you don't know. You tinker if anything. Tinkering is not changing a few commands and spamming them through the entire system. Now maybe you aren't following me still, in that case you can go back to your normal tin foil comments. lol
To be any more cautious than we already are would mean that the researchers doing it are no longer human. It is not our way to tread lightly; it never has been. Mostly because you'd take forever to get anywhere this way.If you are so interested in progress, work to help stop war from happening. As it is our main focus. Sure it has dropped us many practical things in everyday life in the process of constant making of weapons and processes of killing efficiently, but thats just pennies slipping out of the hand of the war resources being burnt.
I just don't think it's right to use massive amounts of people, and your one known home planet, as your test subjects. lol. I dunno maybe we have 2 home planets and this one is for ****ing up and testing on(LOL), but it just doesn't seem too logical to do it at the rate and mass that we are doing it at. Maybe our opinions will differ. It's just the way I see it.
We are not at any such point, we could do with normal food for a while. It is simply more profitable to use GM foods now. If you don't like it, just buy organic food.Then I guess there goes the comment that it saves peoples lives... lol.
P.S. Monsanto is like Halliburton -- generally believed to be evil, but nobody can do anything about them. Its former employees are generally the same people who run government agencies responsible for monitoring it, yes.Wow, someone finally egknowledged this. lol.
However, they have a significant interest in actually not releasing anything before it is safe for the simply reason that the US is a country where a company can be sued for not telling people that coffee is hot or that trains run over train tracks. If anything goes seriously wrong, they will be torn apart and no amount of money will save them -- their work affects too many people (more than 10% of the population).Maybe you haven't noticed it but judges are people too. lol. And you can damn well bet every judge in America that could possibly get a case of that magnitude, knows Monsanto well. Just recently a judge ruled in favor of Monsanto for a ruling of 2.9 million dollars, and putting a family farm out of business. They are going around suing people for supposedly using their product on their crops, when it just blows over with pollen. That's pretty ****ing evil if you ask me. Putting family farms out of business by suing them on faulty charges and slowly but surely monopolizing the 'test subjects' food sources by eliminating the farmers who didn't want to useyour product and were forced to?! lol.
Halliburton? lol Please.............. They gained 200+ million in phony profits, and were fined 7.5 million. Hmm.... They sure lost a lot on that one!
Certain cases will not be heard. This is one of those types of cases if it happened. For example, the former Bob Dole eployee who claims to have conclusive FBI evidence that the Bush admin were involved in carrying out the 9-11 attacks. And is trying to sue them for it. Not being heard! When you have the judge threatening your life on the street, LMFAO! Good luck getting that case, slick.
In the event they did go down? A couple of the culprits would fess up, and be prosecuted, and the rest of the affiliations and people would just move onto another corp. How about Enron? Many of them jumped ship early, and landed job in the White House!! LOL. Gotta love America..
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lol newc. Can you answer the question?
Me talking about my point of view: "I have given ample opportunity to show what it is, I just think you and others show you don't understand what it is."
newc:"you keep claiming that and yet nobody believes you. odd, isn't it?"
Nobody believes that I know what my opinion is? lol. How much dodging can you do? Do you actually believe I don't know what my own opinion on this is?
If you can't answer the question just don't post about it, or say you can't. But then saying I'm wrong would be pretty naive if you didnt know what I was saying in the first place. LOL.
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Anyway, my point of view on screwing with genetics first hand, is we have a very complex world. We have very complex bodies. DNA plays a big role in this. We are major mysteries to ourselves. Our whole intricate system here on Earth is beyond our comprehension at this time. Pretending we know is not smart IMO. If we mess with genetics directly too much it could have very horrible ramifications. Do we know how AIDS came about? How about cancer? Or much of the illnesses we have. We don't. We understand things about them but we don't know their origin as far as I know.
A plague is coming in the next 10 years I predict. Possibly from GE stuff, possibly just from exhaustion of rainforests, or possibly from a lab from one of these ****ed up groups on purpose or a mistake. Or maybe a bit of all of those all combined.
If we are to modify, I think we should tread lightly, be cautious. Be humble. We are not exactly genetic masters. If we were we would conjure up a cure for aids or cancer easily. Thus is not the case(least publically). Having people like Monsanto being at the helm of GE stuff, is not exactly smart IMO.
If we are at a pont where we need genetically altered food to survive, then why have we not implemented hemp into society? Hemp would be the biggest revolution in environmental variables in this generation. It's nutrient mix is perfect for the human body. It helps the soil. Its a tough plant, grows in more places then any plant in the world. Makes just about anything you would ever need. It would replace fossil fuels in a LARGE way. No, dont give me any guff about being efficient and needing to use GE stuff, because we are not efficient.. lol. We are not doing what we can. We are lazy ****s. And I resent that.
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Hades you said we have been GE'ing our foods for a long time. Hundreds of years. Well if thats true then we have been GE ourselves by picking our mates. Get my head straight?! How about you get your head out of your ass and understand what I'm saying for once hades.
There are different methods of genetic manipulation. Your blending them all in one. Naive.
And no I dont eat human. But we are genetically having people. And changing genetics I dont think only applies to food for us. Think in a universal mindset instead of an isolated human one.
Regardless. America is the big ginea pig as smarter nations wont use GE foods in large numbers.
Good Luck.
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UHhh newc, are you saying you dont know what my arguement is, yet you say Its wrong>? LoL. I have given ample opportunity to show what it is, I just think you and others show you don't understand what it is.
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Anyway, still not answering my Q's. The person who provided the links as if they were fact. Give us an overview of what it covered, as based on facts. You know, the findings, as the 'abstracts' dont give any facts. It seems to me you are talking **** to me for providing in your view faulty sources, and not reading yours all the way(when the damn link is broken), I doubt you even read your own. So prove that you did, and save us all the time, and give us the quotes of the facts provided.
EDIT: The link works now(damn IE). Anyway, I'm not paying 30 dollars for that ****. lol. Thats pretty funny. Did you? Its quite funny to me that you most likely didnt even read your own sources. rofl.
and agian, to those who say I'm wrong in my arguement. What is my arguement? You have to know my arguement before saying it is wrong with confidence I hope.
People come into the convo with IMO stupid judgements and I say they are not thought out and give an alternate view. But my point in posting this is not to say GE food is not safe in a nutshell.
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What the f**k are you bring up wife breeding. Are you talking about human genetic engineering or food production? Man, get you head on straight or don't post.
uhh. Well a concept is a concept. Selective breeding, is a concept. And is it not what we do when we choose a mate? Just because you can't comprehend something doesn't mean it's very different. Once AGIAN, I'm reffering to synthetically altered GE foods being iffy..
In any case, I brought up the Monsanto corp, and facts about them.
Again, human beings are not food. We are discussing food, so selective breeding in livesstock is a form of genetic engineering. You might be talking in concept, but I prefer to talk in specifics.
uhh.. I'm discussing genetics. And who manages them. And humanbeings may be food, just not to you
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What is my arguement in your eyes?
I understand your argument, what I attack is the scientific basis you have used to make several of your ridiculous statements. None of these you have been even remotely successful in defending.
As for the reviews, send me the links. I saw no link in there to them.Quite frankly, you're blind. If you can't see the huge button on the first two (for example) with "click for full text articles" then you're more than a bit lost. The references to the papers are directly above that.
non concclusive conjecture. Saying they are true. lol.... Did you even read them? Or did you just read the abstracts?! O_OI know for a fact you only read the abstracts, you just proved that not seconds before
You, after all, couldn't even find the link to get to the full text or even that those weren't the entire article.
Included for future reference.As for your grammer edit. If you fail to understand the point of text then I guess you must break it down. If you comprehend the text, then the text has served it's purpose. Nitpicking literal text, is not as important as understanding the meaning of the text itself. But I wouldn't expect you to know that as you said your a 'grammer nazi'. lolTwo things:
1) Writing at least semi-correctly makes you look less retarded.
2) You did it again as your final sentence should be 'you ARE a grammar Nazi' and not, 'your a grammar Nazi'. Not only did you manage to mangle your grammar however, but you even managed to spell 'grammar' incorrectly just to add insult to injury.
Oh well. I knew I shouldn't have bothered.
I spell balogne, baloney. Get over it. It's not relevant.
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Non clickable 'review' and 'review tutorial' is what I see..
On one there is a broken link that says full text article.
But maybe I did overlook something though. What are you clicking?
How about the person who read them, give the facts of what they found.
And You say you understand my arguement. So what is it? I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
I know for a fact you only read the abstracts, you just proved that not seconds before original.gif You, after all, couldn't even find the link to get to the full text or even that those weren't the entire article.Your point? Did you read them? Answer the question. Of course I didn't. lol.
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What is my arguement in your eyes? Do you even understand what I am saying? You say I'm wrong. So I assume you think you do. So what is my arguement?
As for the reviews, send me the links. I saw no link in there to them. YOu presented exactly what you said, abstract, non concclusive conjecture. Saying they are true. lol.... Did you even read them? Or did you just read the abstracts?! O_O
As for your grammer edit. If you fail to understand the point of text then I guess you must break it down. If you comprehend the text, then the text has served it's purpose. Nitpicking literal text, is not as important as understanding the meaning of the text itself. But I wouldn't expect you to know that as you said your a 'grammer nazi'. lol
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your edit:
And yes, before we go any further, there have been HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of papers published on GE, its safety, its effects on the environment and things like HGT. People like tinfoil wearer up there are flat out lying when they say these things haven't been done or we don't know about them. We do.Your quite foolish to think in 30 years we have mastered the building blocks of life. That we know all of the effects provided by such.
As for your remarks about Tin foil hat wearer.... Childish, but no suprise you would say something regarding my mind as odd, as yours does not work. So mine must seemvery alien to you, I understand.
As for newc, as you show I guess your a forum heckler.
Good Luck.
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Link #1:
Proponents of GEOs assert that foods we are now able to produce have greater nutritional value, longer shelf life, better appearance, taste and smell.lol. People who make money off them will say they are safe?! WOW! Real conclusive evidence it doesn't hurt us here.
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Just says what they are doing. Conclusive eh?
Link #3:
I agree with its starting statement:
Changes in food production and dietary practices are occurring faster than our understanding of their potential impact on children's health.It keeps saying 'this review covers'.. Uhh, wheres the review? Where is your evidence?
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Thus far, no reports exist regarding allergic reactions to the crops that have been approved for introduction into the food supply.Thus far. I'm talking about conclusive evidence that it's safe. Not an assumption. Where are the facts? Where are the findings? These are just outlines for their plans and speculations.
You can now count yourself as officially spanked, and this is without the most recent (2004, I think it was April) article in Nature that essentially outlined what health risks there were and the fact they are well established and well known (as one of my references demonstrates).LOL! You know, we have been using teflon in cooking. And Dupont had insisted it was safe. Now it has been found to cause cancer. We find new things often. I assume you know that. So it's curious how you can say with certainty there is no safety hazard with GE foods.
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More on Monsanto. People were talking about the GE pollen going from one crop to another? Well ya, it is. And the farmers who want to grow organic are forced to grow somewhat GE crops that they did not want to. Not so bad, but still screwed up if ya ask me. But how about this
! Monsanto has filed MANY lawsuits agianst farmers claiming they need to pay the Monsanto tech fee for using their products, when it just blew on their fields. And many farmers are going bankrupt because of it. More signs of an evil corp. Novus Ordo Seclorum.
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I haven't heard of any cases where GE crops or livestock have directly harmed humans, but I have heard of them harming the natural balance of the environment.
If I spray toxins in your area, am I not affecting you? How is it something can negatively effect the environment we live in, and not effect us? And where did I isolate GE foods negative effects to strictly consumption?
As for your 'voice of reason' comment. LOL< if you say reason is 'Genetics in foods dont affect us in any way', heh........ Your not exactly the brightest person I've met.
there is NO scientific evidence at all demonstrating GE products are any more dangerous than normal ones.There is also no scientific evidence they are NOT harmful. In this field there is not much conclusive. So really it's about consideration. If you think the building blocks of life are so easy to understand, I guess our opinion differs majorly on the subject.
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What the f**k are you bring up wife breeding. Are you talking about human genetic engineering or food production? Man, get you head on straight or don't post.
uhh. Well a concept is a concept. Selective breeding, is a concept. And is it not what we do when we choose a mate? Just because you can't comprehend something doesn't mean it's very different. Once AGIAN, I'm reffering to synthetically altered GE foods being iffy..
In any case, I brought up the Monsanto corp, and facts about them.
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But whatever, I've learnt not to bother with the tin foil hat wearers, believe what you want. I'll just base what I know on actual facts
lol. tin foil hat wearers.... What a talking point. ANyway, if you base your info on FACTS and facts alone, you would know that many many people in power are not to be trusted. Funny how as soon as someone questions something you say they wear a tin foil hat.
But, you know, I have been looking for tin foil. All I can find is aluminaum foil, and that too, is toxic. Is tin foil even still around?? (lol)
I'm not at all afraid of eating genetically altered foods. We can't be affected by the genes in our food. Otherwise we'd all be cows or chickens by now..LOL!!!!!!!! So lemme get this straight, we aren't altered by genes in our food in any way, because we eat cows and chickens, and we have not turned into cows and chickens or something?? *painful laugh* My god....... How dumb are my own people...
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Selective wife breeding, is the same concept eh? LOL
I would think careful GE stuff would be ok under rigorous testing, and true scrutiny by the FDA< but this doesn't happen. And Monsanto is a perfect example.
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So basically your saying direct quotes from the corp, along with facts about their ties to the FDA, is false? lol.
Wow is all I gotta say I guess. Maybe I am out of place, and maybe our people deserve what we are getting.
Good Luck.
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Looks like somebody stopped taking their meds.
You mean I posted a post? I don't take 'meds'. I am quite functional. You however hate frequently an informative post. WHat are you, 13 years old? Stop following me around on here if you don't have anything to add to the topic other then hate spam, kid..
For godsakes we been doing genetic engineering for CENTURIES! Selective breeding is a form of genetic engineering if you dope, Cosmo.You mean something like picking your wife when you marry and have kids, your genetically engineering your kids? lol. Well regardless, I'm talking about SYNTHETIC means of doing such.
As for the obliigatory tin foil comment that is in every thread beyond some peoples comprehension on these boards. lol. No suprise for children to make stupid comments. I present startling facts about a company that is affecting the world, and idiot kids say some tin foil remark. lol... I guess your the ones that deserve shotty food. Good luck.
Do you trust farmers? Food processors and packers? Why would they want to give people rashes? They're in it for money at the worse and I trust that they want this money as hassle free as is possible.No, I don't trust many of them.. And yes, many will use whatever the easiest thing is for easy money, and that is screwed up. Not to mention has negative effects.
i'm a big fan of GM food. why would i want to eat food that's genetically inferior?LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You believing in God or not, do you think in a short amount of years we have mastered genetics? GAH, I cant stand how stupid people like you are. Cya around... Im leaving this child filled forum for now.
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Of course we are... Look who is making them? Do you trust these people?
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Anyone remember a discussion/arguement some of us had a while back(mainly me and mith)? Well regardless, this is some amazing info, that happens to coincide with what I was saying... And being dogged on for saying(just because I don't wear a white coat)...... lol.
"A Monsanto official told the New York Times that the corporation should not have to take responsibility for the safety of its food products. "Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food," said Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications. "Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job."Well, hmmm. Mith, whoever else who was doubting what I was saying by saying they test the stuff well? LOL! I think that about sums it up...
I guess if you trust the Federal givernment to keep you safe, maybe I'm going to far in saying those quotes are ****ing ridiculous. But theres more. It would be nice to think the FDA can be trusted with these matters, but think again. Monsanto has succeeded in insuring that government regulatory agencies let Monsanto do as it wishes. Take a look:
-Prior to being the Supreme Court Judge who put GW Bush in office,Clarence Thomas was Monsanto's lawyer
-The U.S. Secretary of Agriculture (Anne Veneman) was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Calgene Corporation
-The Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld) was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Searle pharmaceuticals
-The U.S. Secretary of Health, Tommy Thompson, received $50,000 in donations from Monsanto during his winning campaign for Wisconsin's governor
-The two congressmen receiving the most donations from Monsanto during the last election were Larry Combest (Chairman of the House Agricultural Committee) and Attorney General John Ashcroft. (Source: Dairy Education Board)
In order for the FDA to determine if Monsanto's growth hormones were safe or not, Monsanto was required to submit a scientific report on that topic. Margaret Miller, one of Monsanto's researchers put the report together. Shortly before the report submission, Miller left Monsanto and was hired by the FDA. Her first job for the FDA was to determine whether or not to approve the report she wrote for Monsanto. In short, Monsanto approved its own report. Assisting Miller was another former Monsanto researcher, Susan Sechen. Deciding whether or not rBGH-derived milk should be labeled fell under the jurisdiction of another FDA official, Michael Taylor, who previously worked as a lawyer for Monsanto.
Now seriously. Who is not logical here, the conspiracy theorist, or the coincidence theorist????
Interested in knowing more about this shady corporation with it's hands in Washington, like so many at this time?
More on this crazy ass company.
Taxpayers Forced to Fund Monsanto's Poisoning of Third WorldMonsanto has also been implicated in the indiscriminate sale and use of RoundUp Ultra in the anti-drug fumigation efforts of Plan Colombia. Of the some $1.3 billion of taxpayers' money earmarked for Plan Colombia, Monsanto has received upwards of $25 million for poviding RoundUp Ultra.
Banana crops damaged by Monsanto's Roundup Ultra.
RoundUp Ultra is a highly concentrated version of Monsanto's glyphosate herbicide, with additional surfactants to increases its lethality. Local communities and human rights organizations charge that Ultra is destroying food crops, water sources and protected areas in the Andes, primarily Colombia.
Paradoxically, the use of RoundUp Ultra has actually increased coca cultivation in the Andes. As local farming communities are increasingly impacted by RoundUp Ultra fumigations, many turn to the drug trade as a means of economic survival. Regional NGOs have estimated that almost 200,000 hectares have been fumigated with Ultra under Plan Colombia.
If anyone who is reading this knows anything about cocaine, the CIA, and the stock market connection to both, heh, this doesn't exactly scream coincidence.
Monsanto Takes Ownership of Public Water ResourcesOver the past century, global water supplies have been contaminated with the full gamut of Monsanto's chemicals, including PCBs, dioxin and glyophosate (Roundup). So now the company, seeing a profitable market niche, is taking control of the public water resources they polluted, filtering it, and selling it back to the people. In short, Monsanto is making a double profit by polluting the world's scarce freshwater resources, privately taking ownership of that water, filtering it, and selling it back to those who can afford to pay for it.
LOL!!!!!!! Look at your 1 dollar bill Americans, read the writing underneath the pyramid with the eye over it, its latin, and it mean New World Order. Novus Ordo Seclorum. Whether this 'order' is new or not, we need to ****ing get rid of it. lol. All these corps and groups are linked. Halliburton(Cheney), ABB(Rumsfeld), Bechtel, Monsanto, Exxon(CONdoleeza Rice), Carlyle Group(lol, to many big names to name), many others(Bush, lol). And holy ****, how the hell they get away with this ****, is beyond me. We must all be asleep or something.
More? ok. This ones more on topic.
Monsanto's GE[Genetically Engineered] Seeds are PushingUS Agriculture into Bankruptcy
Genetically engineered crops are causing an economic disaster for farmers in the U.S. So says a new report released by Britain's Soil Association. The report is a massive compilation of data showing GE crops have cost American taxpayers $12 billion in farm subsidies in the past three years. "Within a few years of the introduction of GM crops, almost the entire $300 million annual US maize exports to the EU had disappeared, and the US share of the soya market had decreased," the report said. In addition, the study says that GE crops have lead to an increased use of pesticides, while resulting in overall lower crop yields.
Still think GE stuff is good mith? Or anyone? Is my 'uneducated non-scientist' rants about genetically ****ing with our food being bad still so stupid to some of you?
Cotton Farmers Going Bankrupt from Monsanto's GE CottonIn India the financial figures for the recent cotton growing season have finally been crunched. Although Monsanto convinced many of India's farmers that buying the more expensive GE cotton seeds would result in higher yields and better cotton, the reverse is actually true. Crop yields for GE cotton were 5 TIMES LESS than traditional Indian cotton and the income from GE cotton was 7 TIMES LESS than conventional cotton, due to Monsanto's cotton having lower quality short fibers. As a result of the insurmountable deluge of debt accrued from paying more for the GE seeds and having a weak crop, more than 100 Indian farmers committed suicide in the last year.
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Wheat Farmers Say No to Monsanto's GE WheatThe Washington Post and other major publications have been highlighting a massive new movement of conventional and organic farmers who are working together to pass state legislation that would put a moratorium on Monsanto's new genetically engineered wheat. North Dakota farmers recently met with Monsanto representatives to express their concerns about the new crop. Steven Pollestad, a conventional farmer, said, "The foreign buyers have flat out said they won't buy it. And I believe they won't."
Japan has announced to the US that if GE wheat is approved here, it is likely they will completely discontinue importing wheat from American farmers. This makes up a total of 2.5 million tons of US grown wheat each year---enough to put thousands of family farmers out of business. Similarly, South Korean officials gave the US similar warnings in May 2003. In the meantime, Monsanto continues to test its new GE wheat in fields across the US, despite staunch farmer opposition throughout North America.Scientists from the University of Manitoba have released a report indicating, "Under current conditions the release of Roundup Ready wheat in Western Canada would be environmentally unsafe." Despite the landslide of data revealing probable negative impacts on the environment, the economy and human health, the FDA is posed to approve Monsanto's GE wheat... Why? Wait, the FDA is full of Monsanto employees. lol.....
How about a laundry list of corporations known for ties with this devious corp?
Organic and Natural Product Companies
Associated with Monsanto:
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Quite frankly no matter who won he would have tons of material because both candidates did and said obsurd things through the race for president. Why would their white house stay be any different?
I agree. Kerry is a shmuck too.. And no matter who is pres, doesnt matter if it's JEZIS, lol. Our system has so much crazy stupid stuff a show like the daily show will thrive just about no matter what.
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Could we possibly have any more knee-jerk reactions on this forum? I guess Jon Stewart is one of those white-listed celebrities now, just like Michael Moore and Maddox. All you guys would have to do to complete the fanatical ground-kisser image would be to start a cult, assuming you haven't already.
ROFL!!!! Because people enjoy a show that you don't you say they will start a cult, and are 'groundkissers'.. lol.. Keep it comin JN, make that heartrate rise. *cheers on natural selection* lol.
I'm a Bush lover now? Are you trying to prove your ignorance or what? I make it very clear through my posts exactly where I stand.Ya you do. You stand to keep the mindset that America and Bush can do no evil. lol. And your right you do make that clear. You make it clear you don't enjoy people reading information. lol. You make it clear you interpret information with a complete Bush-fanboyish slant.
His appearance on "Crossfire" was him "crossing" the line, and if he's smart, he'll keep his mouth shut before putting himself in a league that he doesn't belong in.uhhh.. Well if the show producer was 'smart' they wouldn't invite Stewart to begin with. And if they thought it was out of his league to be on their show, they, wouldn't have had him there. LOL. Critical thinking..... you lack in your statements. lol.
Stewart uses his show to cover up his partisanshipLMAO!!! Cover up? You crack me up JN. You mean because Bush is easier to make fun of you think he's partisan? What if he is?! The entire network of fox news is made to be partisan. lol. You defend fox news or Bush like its your daughter.. lol.
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We have a group of people(whom I do not call terrorists) called terrorists by our own government wanting revenge on our crazy ruthless piece of **** hierarchy, by targeting our financial infrastructure(with us, the citizens as 'collateral damage') trying to bleed our nation as they did Russia quite successfully.
Huh? You mean the E-vile Amerikkan Empire had nothing to do with bleeding the Communist Utopia dry? The mujadeen destroyed our Red Soviet Comrades?
/sarcasm
In case you didn't notice, the Afganistan conflict was at it's most severe was a morale sap. Not to mention the fact that without US assistance the Soviets would have crushed the mujadeen utterly.
I may have implied that to you. The point was they have considerable experience in doing it.
Here is another quote from Osama:
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And following up on my theory on page 7 or whatever it was.. More evidence taks
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hackedby Thom Hartmann
When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.
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The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.
While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking
Genetically altered food... Corruption agian.. lol
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lol. Yes taks, it is clear you have thought about me with your reality hand in hand quite frequently. I'm flattered..