I had a Harbinger Troub/Trickster hireling in my first TB playthrough, and I had a bunch of fun with that character so I'm doing a Harbinger Watcher now. I gotta say Skald>Troubadour in TB for being a caster. If you don't wanna summon (IMO too much micro in TB anyways), all the Skald invocations are the same equivalent phrase cost as Troubadour Brisk Recitation except by taking just one non-offensive invocation you can skyrocket your starting/max phrases. I can pretty much always spend the first 3-4 turns casting invocations and between Riposte and full attacks, might only need to take one turn off before casting a few more. Troubs can only open with 2-3 invocations max and can't spike right back up to full phrases for spamming higher cost stuff like Eld Nary.

 

I am kind of abusing Riposte, though. Gipon Prudensco's "Immunity to Disengagement" actually just makes disengagement attacks auto-miss, which can proc Riposte. I think it's really funny having an orlan be like "Uh oh, low on phrases! Time to run through these pirates' legs, givin 'em the Kapana Taga frat initiation!"

 

Lovers Cried Out vs. Thunder Rolled I think is a playstyle thing. I have a lot of AoE casters on my team, so Lovers Cried Out is for evening overwhelming odds. Often quicker to just "pause" the enemies so they hold still while I burn the world.

Haven't played a chanter, how is the Trickster/skald built? around reposte? Starting stats/weapons? 

And possibly a list of those that get hugely buffed in TB like the free action buffs from wiz and attacks from ranger/fighter/rogue. 

 

Example:

 

Bad:

Escape breaks stealth in TB

Smoke Veil is a full action so can't be used as a combo (very well)

Prone's do almost nothing bedsides interrupt spell casts

Fast weapons are poop as you cannot attack more then once a round no matter what

initiative passives and attack speed buffs like duel wielding should be skipped for the same reason. 

 

 

PS: Anyone know if tanking Dex reduces your base Stride now?

 

The Blackjacket is really the only potentially exploitative build. Personally I think it's fine - it'll create a few unique builds and give the game more depth. One subclass being able to do pretty much what it's supposed to does not unbalance things. I hope it doesn't get nerfed, since it's a neat exclusive-to-TB build. There's probably some similar builds based on switching around PL boosting weapons.

 

 

I kinda feel like Rangers should be able to weapon swap as a free action in tb too. Just because how so many of their abilities are split between being clearly made for melee and others for ranged.  Or maybe give it to those that take arms bearer but they can't use it more then once every 3-4 turns? IDK. 

 

Keep in mind rn rogues "Escape" breaks stealth, at least in TB. This alone turned me off the class entirely. Not to mention the Vanish power (I forget its name) is a full turn action. 

 

I found that out while playing a wildly sub-optimal Debonaire/Tactician on my 1st play. I still think Rogues have a ton of fun shenanigans.

 

Not for me, ruins the stealth aspect of em

Keep in mind rn rogues "Escape" breaks stealth, at least in TB. This alone turned me off the class entirely. Not to mention the Vanish power (I forget its name) is a full turn action. 

Confirmed, really silly oversight considering we complained and waited months back in the day for this QOL change on rogues. 

Can someone else test that I'm right on this? really poopy regressive bug back to when rogues were yucky, but I'm not sure if it's something else. 

Did, ty. Also noticed in TB that Escape was pulling me out of stealth. Can anyone else confirm this?

Does not trigger, ever. (might be a turned based mode thing)

Seems you cant trigger mob stance off killing something with Soul Annihilation?

"Per round per round"

 

https://gyazo.com/9738c4135c51838762be317c07194d37

 

How many rounds now?

Cause you control every move in tb iirc, no ai used. At least that was my thinking. 

Not caught up on this thread so pre apology if this has been answered. Is the equipment buff significant? Any really strong mid game equipment that helps? Do monk+shifter fists stack? Thinking if a shifter Monk or Shifter Barb would be an effective skirmisher in turned based. Though its supe tempting to just play some devoted/____ 2 hander class (devoted greatsword kind wayfinder was so strong i needed no healer). 

Oh yeah Black Jacket/Ranger mix would be fun maybe

Is it just me or is turned based WAY too easy (I usually only play on veteran but im not good at the RTWP games). I feel like the enemy AI is just too derpy. Sometimes not moving much, skipping turnes, not doing aoes or abilities, just autoing a lot. I'm not far in but some fights i find hard usually are hella easy rn. 

I think it wont feel balanced or even moderately fleshed out till faster characters can attack more then once per round. Sad, really wanted to get into things right away. Also the empty box symbol, cast time always takes 2 rounds to cast? Or would it be better if I had really high dex?

Like this:

 

https://gyazo.com/0f5388cd33c13b390d7fdd1e17056b8e

How is attack speed done? If you have high dex do you get more actions/attacks in one round?

im just sad ive seen ZERO builds with the new subclasses yet, not one good one. Maybe somekinda Fighter/Blood Mage for constant recovery but meh. 

DERRRAIIIILLLLED  Came back to see the replies, so many post, so little content. 

Steel Garrote, Priest of Woedica, Blood Mage and Arcane Archer are the most solid because their drawbacks can easily be countered.

Tactician, Ancient, Fury Shaper have big drawbacks and lots of things can go wrong easily for them.

Psion, Debonnaire, Forbidden Fist and Belower are just worse than their base class.

And how do you shore up the weaknesses of Arcane Archer? What multi makes them strong etc.

Wondering how good this buff is really. 

I do not think interrupting an auto or a reload does. Is it just spells and abilities? Wondering how often it would come into play (Thinking Tactful Debonair).

Haven't much exp with them or their usefulness but this would be cool to see. Rated based on identity, does the subclass do something original, efficacy, how useful is the class in its designed roll compared to other sub classes, multi classing potential. 

 

I feel like Tactician will be top of the list.

So, which of the new subclasses aren't bugged, not working as we thought etc. Besides tactician multiclassing for the ability spamming (not sure if i wanna play the mini game of avoiding engagement and flanking everyone.