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our opinion o' the USA went up substantial after spending near 2 years in europe. we were educated at one o' the more liberal-minded universities in the US where we were taught that the State were evil and incompetent. 'course our first thirteen years (and summers thereafter) living in a place that makes gaza look like a vacation destination did not provide us with a particular positive opinion o' the US either.
is a quote from danny elfman that resonates with us. yeah, danny elfman, the composer and former front-man o' oingo boingo. go figure. the musician spent years abroad touring europe and africa and while his background and Gromnir's is worlds apart, we appear to have had similar revelations.
"I'm not a doomist. My attitude is always to be critical of what's around you, but not ever to forget how lucky we are. I've traveled around the world. I left thinking I was a revolutionary. I came back real right-wing patriotic. Since then, I've kind of mellowed in between. It affected me permanently and totally."
we studied/taught abroad in europe, and we make yearly trips to asia (mostly japan.) am suspecting that if we had never left the US for extended periods o' time, we would still be a "revolutionary."
HA! Good Fun!
It depends, experiences vary on an indiviudal basis. Naturally.
I would assume most people from the US studying in Europe, do so in England due to the same language. Obviously England doesn´t represent Europe, nor does Japan represent the whole Asian zone. It´s also easy to find the bad sides of a country/place from the outside, because they stick out to the eye. Keeping your view objective is difficult, but very rewarding i think.
Patriotism just clouds the view in my opinin
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Thank you, honestly thanks. I will take a look into them, but some are very specific, i will see. Still, i will need to way to effectly burn fat, which i will end up a crosstrainer i guess until i feel fit enough to to do more. But one doesn´t exclude the other...a combination would be perfect, but i will check back with my orthopedist to see how much my back can take
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Yep, been doing DDP Yoga for a while and it's helped my back more than 3 years attempting to do core excercises.
Thats intersting but HOW does it work o.O i mean you don´t really build up much muscle mass to, as an example, compansate for the lack of disc matter in my case. You get more flexible, maybe improve your posture? I´m really curious, my back problems have always been a problem in my life.
Edit: oh i see DDP..right..but that is more a workout than yoga...guess its a point of view? :D
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My opinion about cross trainers is, they're very effective in burning fat and building endurance, even better than bikes, but if you think you're building any kind of muscle mass or strength you'll be disappointed.
A good exercise program consist of cardio and strength training, doing both will assist each other, and especially your spinal problem screams for exercises to strengthen your back (consult your doc though). Even things like slipping discs can be corrected with muscles - I know power lifters who have slipping discs yet they live a good life and lift several hundred kilos of weights while many normal people with slipping discs live in a world of pain.
If your abdominal, back and butt muscles are strong they support your back and minimize or even completely compensate many kinds of spinal defects.
That was my thought, burning fat first, i´m not going for muscles now, a little bit buff would be nice but i know i can easily do that afterwards, i have the build for it and was there. It´s more about burning fat and getting back to have some endurance. Which is really non-existing now. I have underdeveloped discs in the lower back. Swimming would be perfect, but thats a no go. So a cross trainer seems perfect for me without putting too much pressure onto the lower back.
I will look up more exercises for the lower back, and thanks for your input
I'd recommend Yoga if you want to strengthen your back. The nice thing is all you need is a mat and some youtube videos to get started on that. Mix in some Pilates as well. I started in on a daily regimen about 6 months ago and my back pain has lessened considerably.
Hm...i´m sceptical, twisting my body to help my back sounds very counterproductive, not saying it won´t work. Just being sceptical, i´m a big guy (and i don´t mean fat with that), Bending myself doesn´t work very well, i know its a matter of training. The idea however is interesting. hmmmm...thinking about it.
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The whole day i was just debating in my head to buy a crosstrainer...i really, really need to do something again for my shape and health. But on the other hand the money would be needed for other stuff...and i question my self-decipline...argh. I need a beer
Why a cross trainer, we live in a beautiful country, get a bicycle. That would also surely increase your motivation tenfold. Heck, if I can boast about something its my self discipline in sports and even I find a cross trainer and stationary bikes horrifying. (So horrifying that it makes them interesting in their own way)
The only way I'd ever use a stationary bike again is if I was stationed in a submarine or the ISS.
As far as i know, and i might be wrong ok, but i want something for the whole body and a crosstrainer seems to fit that. I´m horrible at self discipline, thats why i thought "well i can use that as a starting thing to actually get SOMETHING done and get into it, while i can still watch my stupid youtube **** or movies" to start out and basicly trick myself into it (i´m eyeing a cheap machine). You are right, we have great biking places...hell i loved to do that when i was younger. But if you give me a bike now, i would sit at the street gasping for air in no time...i need something to get started. Also i have back problems ( birth failure) thats why i stoped biking when i was a teenager. So thats not really an option :/
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* BIGGER THAN Tales of Sword Coast & Throne of Bhaal Together.
That's pretty impressive.
I wonder if this game will completely bridge the gap to the point of explaining why we end up with Minsc, Jaheira, Khalid, and Dynaheir.
Well we will have to see, i doubt it will be that big, but i´m open to surprise.
I fear bad writing, i was not really impressed by the content Beamdog made for BG. It was...blant..in my opinion. I will still get it, but probably not on day one considering on how Beamdog managed to add more bugs into a 10+ years old game than a heavily modded version of the classic (with more content), or fix less than one mod only. So...we will see, not much hope anyway.
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Racism will always be around, people are not that open and we have a difficult time connecting with other cultures. Not to mention you can´t just erease thousands of years of evolution and the conflicts that arouse between them. Fearing the unknown and protecting our "tribe/families" from it, is an attribute learned of countless generations. Thats not going away because we just decide it´s not scoial accepted today. (which is nonsense anyway, social structurs and their values change all the time, who knows what we find acceptable in 50 years?)
I have very little tendency towards the concept of racism, but in the end it´s a point of view. I might think i´m open to all, but another person would label me as a racist. *shrug*
My biggest problem is how the word "racism" is missused all the time to shame people, effectly undermining any discussion about it. "have a realistic talk about the current immigrant crisis in europe?" "nope you NEED to take everything because otherwise you are racist". Riiiight.... -
The whole day i was just debating in my head to buy a crosstrainer...i really, really need to do something again for my shape and health. But on the other hand the money would be needed for other stuff...and i question my self-decipline...argh. I need a beer
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Minions! I love these little guys but a whole movie about them...i don´t know, it was entertaining but slapstick comedy gets old pretty fast when you build a whole movie around it.
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unlike austria (HA!) you don't have the advantages o' a relative homogenized and stable society.
Well thats true, and i certainly hope it stays that way but we all have our problems don´t we?
Also well said on the hate speech, i agree totally^^
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If you look every governing institution in EU is such that its formed by democratic process or by another institution that is formed by democratic process.
Yes, but the laws coming from the EU are not made by elected personal. If they conflict with the rulings of your country, you still have to bow to them because EU´s constitution overrules that of the nations. Not to mention the pressure they use. Examples, blocking south-stream effectly costing our country millions if not more and many jobs, or trying to pressure Hungary into a different energy market despite their contracts with Rosatom. Or overruling our exceptional good laws on animal protection, throwing us back years in that field.
Laws coming from EU are made by European Parliament, which is elected by citizens of member states of EU and Council of Ministers (which is formed from members of National Governments of member states of EU, National Governments are elected by National Parliaments which are elected by citizens of individual states which parliament they are). European Commission, which is elected by European Parliament, proposes laws to European Parliament and Council of Ministers. Council of Ministers have ability to stop any law they don't like (of course this don't mean that majority of EU's member states can't decide something that minority object, but that is realities of democratic decision making [there is also blocking minority system where at least four member states with 35% of EU's population can block legislation approved by majority vote {55% of member states and at least representing 65% of total population, or 72% of member states and covering at least 65% of total population if they aren't acting on proposal from European Commission}]).
EDIT: And it probably should be pointed that anything that comes from EU is not really law before National Parliaments have adjusted them and approved them, although if member state don't change their laws according to what is agreed, then European Commission can start action to resolve situation if this don't lead agreement then European Commission will start infringement procedure which is at end resolved by European Union's Court of Justice (Of course member state can decide to leave union if they find it decision to be too much against their self interests).
Well yes thats how the system works. I said not elected personal, you can´t directly vote for someone, it´s what we call ...oh well i don´t think there is a direct translation, but anyway. As you said, we vote for a party..fine..they then choose someone into the parliament. But that also means we can´t directly decide who represents us and i consider this a faulty system because, as you laid out, they then elect the Commission with finaly no saying from the people. As you also pointed out, approved laws can still come into play even if we alone would veto (we have 19 seats...and that was actualy the case with the animal protection law which was vastly superior in our country and had to be DOWNgrade because of EU law). In my opinion this a very intransparent and faulty system and one we shouldn´t be part of. This is very topical at the moment with TTIP, no transparency for the people, no referendum, nothing (thats not very democratic in my book). Point being i´m not in favor of a system that decides laws for 28 different countries.
Interesting, so you are Austrian. But there is something you aren't telling me. Why are you so anti-EU and anti-West?
Austria has been a loyal member of the EU...what is the reason you don't like the USA. And I'm not judging you, I am just trying to understand your perspective
You can ask me anything if you want ?
Yeah but as usual you are not able to answer anything as it seems.
Right now you are just trying to spin it around and make a pointless debat about what? Patriotism? Which has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
I will give this quick answers because you seem to have the memory and attention span of a child and i allready went into more details on this in the past in other threads.
Why i don´t like the EU is simple, because it is bad for my country and took away our autonomy, and we were lied and tricked into the Euro. I never said i hated the US, i specificly made it clear that a) i like the country and a lot that comes from it and b) have many friends there and generally speaking have nothing against the people there BUT that i despise everything Washington does in the world and to their own people. The values they preach (freedom, independence, democracy, etc) are nothing but a farce when there actions go into the complete opposite.
But again, that has nothing to do with the thread here. Stay on the topic.
Speaking of topic, Farage´s point of view on Greece, no matter what i think of him, i agree:
You seem to be in a rush to get my responses? I just want to understand a little about what motivates you, most people ignore this question and I don't know why? Whats wrong about admitting what nationality you are
Thanks for responding by the way, I just have a few more questions about your view on the EU
What do you mean they took away your freedom? And how do you feel they lied ?
Oh whatever, don´t answer at all, i don´t think you can make a reasonable answer, at last none that i can´t debunk anyway. I don´t care.
I said autonomy and not freedom. I allready explained on how having not your own currency effectly hinders your own ability to influence your economy. I also allready told you that we get 70% of new laws directly from the EU (made by not elected politicans). A lot of this laws are stupidly worse what we had before and cost us a fortune AND have a negative impact (for our farming sector as an example). So here we are, a consitution that overrules ours, laws from a different source we have to realize and a currency we can´t control. Per definition that makes us (and any other EU country..well maybe not Germany because they influence the EU to much) a vassal state, subordinate to the EU.
There is NOTHING good about this.
I didn´t say feeling. I said they lied. Thats a factual statement. All promises on how we benefit from the EU turned out to have the opposite effect and there is no way they couldn´t know that, at last about some aspects. What however was a clear lie, is that during the campaign for the EU accession it was promised all the time that we would have and keep our currency and would NOT get the Euro. Sometime after the referendum (one that was called faul by a lot of lawmakers) they turned around and forced us into the Euro currency without any referendum basicly saying "well we voted for the EU now we get the Euro as well".
That is lying and nothing else. And i applaud everyone who tries to get out of this failed project and gets back his independence just like Farage said.
Thank you for responding, now I understand, I don't share your view but other people have mentioned similar criticism about the EU so there is clearly some validity to it
Sorry to ask you to repeat your questions but what would you like to know from me?
Nevermind, repeating myself gets tiring, just forget it
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Interesting, so you are Austrian. But there is something you aren't telling me. Why are you so anti-EU and anti-West?
Austria has been a loyal member of the EU...what is the reason you don't like the USA. And I'm not judging you, I am just trying to understand your perspective
You can ask me anything if you want ?
Yeah but as usual you are not able to answer anything as it seems.
Right now you are just trying to spin it around and make a pointless debat about what? Patriotism? Which has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
I will give this quick answers because you seem to have the memory and attention span of a child and i allready went into more details on this in the past in other threads.
Why i don´t like the EU is simple, because it is bad for my country and took away our autonomy, and we were lied and tricked into the Euro. I never said i hated the US, i specificly made it clear that a) i like the country and a lot that comes from it and b) have many friends there and generally speaking have nothing against the people there BUT that i despise everything Washington does in the world and to their own people. The values they preach (freedom, independence, democracy, etc) are nothing but a farce when there actions go into the complete opposite.
But again, that has nothing to do with the thread here. Stay on the topic.
Speaking of topic, Farage´s point of view on Greece, no matter what i think of him, i agree:
You seem to be in a rush to get my responses? I just want to understand a little about what motivates you, most people ignore this question and I don't know why? Whats wrong about admitting what nationality you are
Thanks for responding by the way, I just have a few more questions about your view on the EU
What do you mean they took away your freedom? And how do you feel they lied ?
Oh whatever, don´t answer at all, i don´t think you can make a reasonable answer, at last none that i can´t debunk anyway. I don´t care.
I said autonomy and not freedom. I allready explained on how having not your own currency effectly hinders your own ability to influence your economy. I also allready told you that we get 70% of new laws directly from the EU (made by not elected politicans). A lot of this laws are stupidly worse what we had before and cost us a fortune AND have a negative impact (for our farming sector as an example). So here we are, a consitution that overrules ours, laws from a different source we have to realize and a currency we can´t control. Per definition that makes us (and any other EU country..well maybe not Germany because they influence the EU to much) a vassal state, subordinate to the EU.
There is NOTHING good about this.
I didn´t say feeling. I said they lied. Thats a factual statement. All promises on how we benefit from the EU turned out to have the opposite effect and there is no way they couldn´t know that, at last about some aspects. What however was a clear lie, is that during the campaign for the EU accession it was promised all the time that we would have and keep our currency and would NOT get the Euro. Sometime after the referendum (one that was called faul by a lot of lawmakers) they turned around and forced us into the Euro currency without any referendum basicly saying "well we voted for the EU now we get the Euro as well".
That is lying and nothing else. And i applaud everyone who tries to get out of this failed project and gets back his independence just like Farage said.
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If you look every governing institution in EU is such that its formed by democratic process or by another institution that is formed by democratic process.
Yes, but the laws coming from the EU are not made by elected personal. If they conflict with the rulings of your country, you still have to bow to them because EU´s constitution overrules that of the nations. Not to mention the pressure they use. Examples, blocking south-stream effectly costing our country millions if not more and many jobs, or trying to pressure Hungary into a different energy market despite their contracts with Rosatom. Or overruling our exceptional good laws on animal protection, throwing us back years in that field.
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Interesting, so you are Austrian. But there is something you aren't telling me. Why are you so anti-EU and anti-West?
Austria has been a loyal member of the EU...what is the reason you don't like the USA. And I'm not judging you, I am just trying to understand your perspective
You can ask me anything if you want ?
Yeah but as usual you are not able to answer anything as it seems.
Right now you are just trying to spin it around and make a pointless debat about what? Patriotism? Which has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
I will give this quick answers because you seem to have the memory and attention span of a child and i allready went into more details on this in the past in other threads.
Why i don´t like the EU is simple, because it is bad for my country and took away our autonomy, and we were lied and tricked into the Euro. I never said i hated the US, i specificly made it clear that a) i like the country and a lot that comes from it and b) have many friends there and generally speaking have nothing against the people there BUT that i despise everything Washington does in the world and to their own people. The values they preach (freedom, independence, democracy, etc) are nothing but a farce when there actions go into the complete opposite.
But again, that has nothing to do with the thread here. Stay on the topic.
Speaking of topic, Farage´s point of view on Greece, no matter what i think of him, i agree:
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Austerity don't make economies grow, it has bad habit to do absolute opposite, but austerity can be only method to correct country's economy when their public spending is larger than their income.
This is wrong, you just said it doesn´t help but in that specific case it helps? In fact greece is the perfect example that in this case it doesn´t help.
Greece in situation where it is because its public spending was much larger than their actual income and they just borrowed more and more money enable it until point where loan markets said they will not anymore give loans to Greece with such interest rates that Greece has any ability to take more loans and still continue to run their country. Yes Which is where Troika come in and lend Greece money to pay their previous debts and gave them ability continue to run their country. But Troika was evil and put terms to their loans which dictate that Greece should cut their public spending and rise their income. Greece's attempts to do that failed and Troika become more evil and created the austerity plan themselves that Greece should follow if they want additional loans from them, Greece accepted this plan (they really didn't have choice at the time),At that point in the time, they sat in an EU technocrat to rule that ****, we know the outcome Troika's plan was quite harsh and Greece government mostly failed in their attempts to increase incomes through taxes (quite lot people blame Greeks habit to avoid paying taxes), which meant that cuts in spending were much larger than what was meant. These harsh cuts caused people of Greece first change their government and then reject Troika's plan. And now Troika is asking Greece to offer them alternate plan that would balance their economy. No. THey are just afraid it will spill over, the TROIKA are banks, they will bleed you dry as long as they can as long as can make money of you. Greece doesn´t wanted to go further with austerity, because the ****ing people can´t pay it anymore. So what now? Thats the question. More debt? More austerity? Or get your ****ing sense together and leave this failed EU. I would vote for the last.
EU is union of countries that we claim to be democratic (because its membership rules state that member state needs to be democratic) and it is governed by National Parliaments (which should be selected in democratic elections), National Governments (which are usually formed by National Parliaments according to election results), Heads of Governments/States (presidents, prime ministers, chancellor(s), which are elected in their own elections or by National Parliaments), European Parliament(members of this parliament are elected in separately held elections in every member state), European Council (is formed from Heads of Governments in such manner that every state has one member, even if they have multiple Heads) President of European Council (is elected by Heads of Governments/States), European Commission (is proposed by European Council and elected by European Parliament), President of European Commission (is proposed by European council and elected by European Parliament, becomes after election a member of European Council), Council of Ministers (is formed from members of National Governments, Conveys in varying compositions depending on policy area, each member state is represented by one member per department), European Court of Auditors (is proposed by National Governments, elected by Council of Ministers, each members state is represented by one member), European Court of Justice (elected by National Governments, each state represented by one member), European Central Bank (is composed of representatives of National Central Banks and it board is elected by European Council on proposals of Council of Ministers). So EU is democratic mess which rules can put some constraints in self-rule of its members states.
It doesn´t matter if the member states are democratic when bruessel isn´t. not hard to understandt. and right now the EU in bruessel (hey america here you can drop your bombs than EVEN i will thank you) dictates everything.
From small business taxes, smoking rules, to exports to russia....also still bound to a currency that will ruin us. That **** Nuland said one thing right..**** THE EU. But also the US.
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it is true that you don't get it, but it likely ain't your fault. what you call free speech, isn't. sorry, but you haven't bothered to learn the differences 'tween US freedom and yours.
hmmm.
probably easiest to provide a link
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-11254419
to folks in the USA, we realize that it is the speech that offends that is requiring protection. simply because we, the majority, dislike or even loathe the message, does not mean that we should limit the speaker.
"those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. they did not fear political change. they did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. to courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. if there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."
you don't get it.
HA! Good Fun!
Wait. How is my free speech not like yours? In fact i can say what the **** i want, about what the **** i want without less restritcitons than you do, without fearing a goverment agent knocking on my door. I can tell a police officer to **** off with out getting arrested. ****, you are living in a police state that can bring you into prison without much of an offense.
I think you are being ironic but i can´t tell, because your link is useless and doesn´t prove anything. :>
*sigh*
no you can't say what you want. as an austrian (yes?) you can be criminalized if you deny the holocaust or spout nazi propaganda. there is also austrian laws that prohibit you from "denigrating religious beliefs."
perhaps you watch too much tv or read too many internet posts about the US? you don't get it.
HA! Good Fun!
Ah yes i knew that would come up. The european "ban" on speaking and researching the holocaust because history has allready been written. I give you that
(and firmly disagree but whatever).Except this. "denigrating religious beliefs." was a very short time effort and useless. Austria is a multiculturel hotspot by nature because we are in the middle of this continent. Which makes it also difficult to keep our own culture..but thats beside the point.
What you don´t get, we can still say WHAT we want, and it´s no problem, and yes that includes ww2, no one will show up on my doorway, Your wannabe freedom of speech is in no way different. You just have a different approache, instead of legal, it´s public shaming, say something against the wars the US have started in the last 50 years...you are probalby, anti-american etc, and will be shamed into ground. Also, considering laws in america today, you can say what you want, but they can also take you without any reason and lock your away, patriot act..they don´t need to explain themselve, but good luck trying.
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it is true that you don't get it, but it likely ain't your fault. what you call free speech, isn't. sorry, but you haven't bothered to learn the differences 'tween US freedom and yours.
hmmm.
probably easiest to provide a link
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-11254419
to folks in the USA, we realize that it is the speech that offends that is requiring protection. simply because we, the majority, dislike or even loathe the message, does not mean that we should limit the speaker.
"those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. they did not fear political change. they did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. to courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. if there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."
you don't get it.
HA! Good Fun!
Wait. How is my free speech not like yours? In fact i can say what the **** i want, about what the **** i want without less restritcitons than you do, without fearing a goverment agent knocking on my door. I can tell a police officer to **** off with out getting arrested. ****, you are living in a police state that can bring you into prison without much of an offense.
I think you are being ironic but i can´t tell, because your link is useless and doesn´t prove anything. :>
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The video also touches on enthousiast games press (i.e. YouTube reviewers) vs traditional games press for a bit, as he accuses traditional games press of pandering to large publishers by giving their games-for-babies high marks, which is why I assume it got posted as "relevant" and why I didn't split it off into a seperate discussion. Yet.
But thats normal. Magazines and press have being doing this for decades. Giving good reviews for publishers in response getting first looks to drive their sales.
**** that was the reason why i stoped buying magazine over a decade ago...their online portales are just the same now.
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Now now 2133 you aren't doing very well with your new approach to be less condescending and dismissive around your forum etiquette ..I have noticed you making some polite apologies on other topics to people when you felt you were being rude and I was impressed. I always support self-improvement moments. But they were simple debates and its easy to be polite on those types of discussions. Try to be more polite with all people, look at me. You see I don't feel the need to insult you despite your belligerence
Also I'll be honest, I don't consider these forum debates something where there is a winner or loser. I set my bar on things I consider to be victory firmly in RL and what I need to achieve...but its good you feel sense of vindication for " winning " a forum discussion . All we do here is engage in debate that hopefully people can learn something from. And obviously there is the more light and entertaining topics like gaming which is always fun
Now no more criticism from me, I want to explain a few things. Firstly I'm glad you read the articles, I was hoping you would. All those links were posted for a reason which you have clearly missed . The first two are unequivocal "good news stories " about Spain but the third one I posted exactly because austerity is hard and obviously Spain has to stay the course as there are still economic challengers
Why would I not recognize that Spain is not all good news. I look at all this austerity strategically and understand it has different degrees of success. I also specifically mentioned that Spain still has high unemployment and government debt. But your banking system is healthy, that is key and fundamental and your economy is growing.
What I find bizarre is how you refuse to recognize this. I don't think you are some zealot, in fact I know you are very intelligent yet you fail to see the success of austerity in your own country? I'm not sure if you are hoping the Greeks will somehow get out of austerity and all those billions of Euros of debt will be removed so then Spain can follow the same route? That's a pipe dream and wont happen so my advice its best to be realistic
But go Spain, I think they have done very well considering how difficult austerity is so I want to acknowledge this even if you don't
Again you are not going into the links he posted or the one i posted (with sources from the IMF itself) that show that it clearly doesn´t work.
You are trying to justify your nonsense with backpedaling on your inital point and now throwing in meaningless phrases like "different kind of success". You sound like an politican. Differences are given because of country specific economies. But there is no such thing like "it half worked", because then it still failed to achive what it meant to do.
Because the debt didn´t shrink, unemployment is not shrinking but rising, the living standart is sinking, austeritiy did, effectivly not work.
You bring in examples like economical growth and think this is a result of austerity. Yet the IMF report i linked to shows that this only a short time effect, because the real cost of austerity measures takes some time to come into effect. You also seem to forget that a) after a complete meltdown of a state, growth in some form is natural effect. It´s easy to say Spain has some growth when they were allready laying on the floor. Every country in history had growth after a financial disaster, but in my believe, with my knowledge, and with documents by IMF and others, Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal and others would be better off with a) no austerity or very little, b) not having to conform with EU laws that may hinder them and c) their own currency with the ability to combat their problems. Even the EU is now acknowledging that the Euro might be the wrong thing for Greece.
This is like Elrond saying that the EU helped Finnland. It´s easy to turn around and look at Finnland in the crisis and say "well the EU helped us" and in some aspects he is right. But you have to look at the long run. They too, are not doing well, no signigicant grow in economical terms, billions of loses due to sancations, and no way to devalue their currency (as they did many times in these cases) to make it easier.
The same goes for a lot countries. A lot of people only look at the south, but Austria isn´t better. The french economy isn´t that great as reported in the news also. Stagnation is pretty evident in the Euro zone, and its the fault of the EU and a currency that should not be there in the first place.
I mean seriously Spains youth unemployment rate is almost 50%. with only slight fluctuations. The youth rate is a good indicator on how well an economy is doing. It doesn´t look better in the other south countries btw. Portugal, living under austerity, has longer waiting lines infront of soup kitchens then the greece infront their banks.
So, i ask you now, please with sources that are not easily debunked. How did austerity help anyone. Except the banks, and no you are wrong and right at the same time when you say a healthy bank system is needed for an economy. That is the case when you have financial control over your own currency, then it´s important. If you have a foreign currency, which the Euro effectly is, and you can´t influence it then you are a victim to that system because you can just react (bank bail-outs). THe only ones who make a profit on this system ARE the banks, not the people, not the country.
Thats infact how these (illegal by EU law) loans to greece and others work. No country has billions laying around. So they take a credit getting into more debt, to loan that money to the troubled countries, yet most of it goes to that banks (who in return are mostly owned by the big banks who gave out the credit in the first place), while the people in the troubled country get austerity (often with privatization, greece shipyards, the backbone of their country, bought up by the owners of big banks say hello) so that country can pay the loans back and the big banks make the profit. How do you, who thinks he is so smart, DOESNT SEE HOW BAD THAT IS. No, i don´t expect a real answer from you, but surprise me.
One more thing.
Now i know you are not very well educated on this but really?
"Also you seem to be looking and judging the success of austerity on USA standards....you mustn't do that as the USA standards are much higher"
There are no high standars in the US. That country is trillions in debt...growing, with no chance every paying it back, and is only afloat because the dollar is still the world trading currency (a trend that is decreasing). They print that money like crazy, which also doesn´t work forever. And the backbone of their economy, the military complex, still finds countries to bomb into the ground. They have no economy to speak off, considering their size and population. Their unenployment rate is extremly high, it just looks low because the white house reports ignore a lot (easily debunked by experts all the time..look it up yourself).
It´s always funny when the US lectures someone on debt. Heck, that goes for Germany too, they never paid their debt, they are in no possition to lecture anyone.
Do you mind sharing with me where you were born? Are you native Austrian, the reason I ask is you and I are so far apart on most issues there has to be a valid reason like some Serbs who have a dislike of the West for Bosnia and Kosovo. There is nothing wrong with being honest, I am a white South African who was born in South Africa
I am sorry to offend you now, I don't mean to but I can see no other way to make this point...you clearly don't understand what austerity means and how it is suppose to resolve the various economic issues plaguing certain EU countries
Sorry but its true, I'll explain it later but not now. Two points that will confirm my suspicion is you linked the "IMF Report " as credible proof. Its a good read and paints an accurate and gloomy view of the EU and austerity ...except its over two years old, it came out in Jan 2013. It was only after that austerity started to see positive results..like Ireland leaving the bailout program end of 2013
So your " proof " is not only old but was wrong with its predictions
Then your view that 24 % or 50 % unemployment is another sign that " how can you possibly say Spain is on the road to recovery " . You see you don't understand that there are various metrics the EU Troika uses to measures the success of austerity, two of them are the health of the banking system and the fact there economy is growing. You may ignore these and only focus on unemployment but that is not the accepted view of economists and EU Troika...and there opinion is what matters
Native Austrian. If you think you can imply some sort of racial bias you are wrong. We Austrians are very liberal and open, naturaly if you take a close look at our history. Yet, we are not stupid when it comes to destroying our culture in favour of an overruling EU policy.
You clearly have no knowledge about Serbs or their and our history, don´t mention them you will only embaress yourself.
You are not offending me. That IMF report is a proof on how austerity doesn´t work, BECAUSE it showed it two years ago, NOW look at greece. Did it work? THe answer is no, they knew it didn´t work. And don´t even try to turn your words around again because the IMF is one of the creditors and thus a perfect source.
Again you have nothing to show. This report is 2 years old, yes BUT THAT IS THE POINT IDIOT. Now Greece is dip**** in trouble. BUt hey. tell me..show me how in the last 2 years the austerity in these countries worked...i beg you..show me.
And also how me a forcast, especially in a europe losing millions because of iditoic sancations.
I would like to see that...but you can´t no matter how you bend...try it
(except the EU losing alomst 100Billions because of nonsense sanctions..thanks US)24% - 50%. Can´t you ****ing read? Your 24% unemployment rate is the general rate. Youth unemployment is alomst 50% THAT is more imporant then the general number. What the TROIKA, the DEBT firm says is of no matter, when it doesn´t make up the reality.
No, you don´t get it. It doesn´t matter what the TROIKA says, if there is rising unemployment, and sinking living standarts, then it doesn´t matter what the Troika says. It´s irrelevant because it´s not the reality. Infact, it doesn´t matter **** what the Troika says because the member states don´t act nor care about it.
Again..you didn´t answer the questions. How has any country benefited from austerity, (this includes the people living there in the long run, because thats the idea).
How is the EU policy better than sovereign states?
How is having a currency better than having your own?
How is it better to not have your own border control and let anyone in?
How can you, speaking out for democracy on me several times, support a non democracy (EU) organisation?
Any ideas yet except "i will answer latter" like you did in my Ukraine post, but didn´t find anything against it?
Try...at last..i will enjoy it
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Now now 2133 you aren't doing very well with your new approach to be less condescending and dismissive around your forum etiquette ..I have noticed you making some polite apologies on other topics to people when you felt you were being rude and I was impressed. I always support self-improvement moments. But they were simple debates and its easy to be polite on those types of discussions. Try to be more polite with all people, look at me. You see I don't feel the need to insult you despite your belligerence
Also I'll be honest, I don't consider these forum debates something where there is a winner or loser. I set my bar on things I consider to be victory firmly in RL and what I need to achieve...but its good you feel sense of vindication for " winning " a forum discussion . All we do here is engage in debate that hopefully people can learn something from. And obviously there is the more light and entertaining topics like gaming which is always fun
Now no more criticism from me, I want to explain a few things. Firstly I'm glad you read the articles, I was hoping you would. All those links were posted for a reason which you have clearly missed . The first two are unequivocal "good news stories " about Spain but the third one I posted exactly because austerity is hard and obviously Spain has to stay the course as there are still economic challengers
Why would I not recognize that Spain is not all good news. I look at all this austerity strategically and understand it has different degrees of success. I also specifically mentioned that Spain still has high unemployment and government debt. But your banking system is healthy, that is key and fundamental and your economy is growing.
What I find bizarre is how you refuse to recognize this. I don't think you are some zealot, in fact I know you are very intelligent yet you fail to see the success of austerity in your own country? I'm not sure if you are hoping the Greeks will somehow get out of austerity and all those billions of Euros of debt will be removed so then Spain can follow the same route? That's a pipe dream and wont happen so my advice its best to be realistic
But go Spain, I think they have done very well considering how difficult austerity is so I want to acknowledge this even if you don't
Again you are not going into the links he posted or the one i posted (with sources from the IMF itself) that show that it clearly doesn´t work.
You are trying to justify your nonsense with backpedaling on your inital point and now throwing in meaningless phrases like "different kind of success". You sound like an politican. Differences are given because of country specific economies. But there is no such thing like "it half worked", because then it still failed to achive what it meant to do.
Because the debt didn´t shrink, unemployment is not shrinking but rising, the living standart is sinking, austeritiy did, effectivly not work.
You bring in examples like economical growth and think this is a result of austerity. Yet the IMF report i linked to shows that this only a short time effect, because the real cost of austerity measures takes some time to come into effect. You also seem to forget that a) after a complete meltdown of a state, growth in some form is natural effect. It´s easy to say Spain has some growth when they were allready laying on the floor. Every country in history had growth after a financial disaster, but in my believe, with my knowledge, and with documents by IMF and others, Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal and others would be better off with a) no austerity or very little, b) not having to conform with EU laws that may hinder them and c) their own currency with the ability to combat their problems. Even the EU is now acknowledging that the Euro might be the wrong thing for Greece.
This is like Elrond saying that the EU helped Finnland. It´s easy to turn around and look at Finnland in the crisis and say "well the EU helped us" and in some aspects he is right. But you have to look at the long run. They too, are not doing well, no signigicant grow in economical terms, billions of loses due to sancations, and no way to devalue their currency (as they did many times in these cases) to make it easier.
The same goes for a lot countries. A lot of people only look at the south, but Austria isn´t better. The french economy isn´t that great as reported in the news also. Stagnation is pretty evident in the Euro zone, and its the fault of the EU and a currency that should not be there in the first place.
I mean seriously Spains youth unemployment rate is almost 50%. with only slight fluctuations. The youth rate is a good indicator on how well an economy is doing. It doesn´t look better in the other south countries btw. Portugal, living under austerity, has longer waiting lines infront of soup kitchens then the greece infront their banks.
So, i ask you now, please with sources that are not easily debunked. How did austerity help anyone. Except the banks, and no you are wrong and right at the same time when you say a healthy bank system is needed for an economy. That is the case when you have financial control over your own currency, then it´s important. If you have a foreign currency, which the Euro effectly is, and you can´t influence it then you are a victim to that system because you can just react (bank bail-outs). THe only ones who make a profit on this system ARE the banks, not the people, not the country.
Thats infact how these (illegal by EU law) loans to greece and others work. No country has billions laying around. So they take a credit getting into more debt, to loan that money to the troubled countries, yet most of it goes to that banks (who in return are mostly owned by the big banks who gave out the credit in the first place), while the people in the troubled country get austerity (often with privatization, greece shipyards, the backbone of their country, bought up by the owners of big banks say hello) so that country can pay the loans back and the big banks make the profit. How do you, who thinks he is so smart, DOESNT SEE HOW BAD THAT IS. No, i don´t expect a real answer from you, but surprise me.
One more thing.
Now i know you are not very well educated on this but really?
"Also you seem to be looking and judging the success of austerity on USA standards....you mustn't do that as the USA standards are much higher"
There are no high standars in the US. That country is trillions in debt...growing, with no chance every paying it back, and is only afloat because the dollar is still the world trading currency (a trend that is decreasing). They print that money like crazy, which also doesn´t work forever. And the backbone of their economy, the military complex, still finds countries to bomb into the ground. They have no economy to speak off, considering their size and population. Their unenployment rate is extremly high, it just looks low because the white house reports ignore a lot (easily debunked by experts all the time..look it up yourself).
It´s always funny when the US lectures someone on debt. Heck, that goes for Germany too, they never paid their debt, they are in no possition to lecture anyone.
Do you mind sharing with me where you were born? Are you native Austrian, the reason I ask is you and I are so far apart on most issues there has to be a valid reason like some Serbs who have a dislike of the West for Bosnia and Kosovo. There is nothing wrong with being honest, I am a white South African who was born in South Africa
I am sorry to offend you now, I don't mean to but I can see no other way to make this point...you clearly don't understand what austerity means and how it is suppose to resolve the various economic issues plaguing certain EU countries
Sorry but its true, I'll explain it later but not now. Two points that will confirm my suspicion is you linked the "IMF Report " as credible proof. Its a good read and paints an accurate and gloomy view of the EU and austerity ...except its over two years old, it came out in Jan 2013. It was only after that austerity started to see positive results..like Ireland leaving the bailout program end of 2013
So your " proof " is not only old but was wrong with its predictions
Then your view that 24 % or 50 % unemployment is another sign that " how can you possibly say Spain is on the road to recovery " . You see you don't understand that there are various metrics the EU Troika uses to measures the success of austerity, two of them are the health of the banking system and the fact there economy is growing. You may ignore these and only focus on unemployment but that is not the accepted view of economists and EU Troika...and there opinion is what matters
Native Austrian. If you think you can imply some sort of racial bias you are wrong. We Austrians are very liberal and open, naturaly if you take a close look at our history. Yet, we are not stupid when it comes to destroying our culture in favour of an overruling EU policy.
You clearly have no knowledge about Serbs or their and our history, don´t mention them you will only embaress yourself.
You are not offending me. That IMF report is a proof on how austerity doesn´t work, BECAUSE it showed it two years ago, NOW look at greece. Did it work? THe answer is no, they knew it didn´t work. And don´t even try to turn your words around again because the IMF is one of the creditors and thus a perfect source.
Again you have nothing to show. This report is 2 years old, yes BUT THAT IS THE POINT IDIOT. Now Greece is dip**** in trouble. BUt hey. tell me..show me how in the last 2 years the austerity in these countries worked...i beg you..show me.
And also how me forcasts, especially in a europe losing millions because of iditoic sancations.
I would like to see that...but you can´t no matter how you bend...try it
24% - 50%. Can´t you ****ing read? Your 24% unemployment rate is the general rate. Youth unemployment is alomst 50% THAT is more imporant then the general number. What the TROIKA, the DEBT firm says is of no matter, when it doesn´t make up the reality.
No, you don´t get it. It doesn´t matter what the TROIKA says, if there is rising unemployment, and sinking living standarts, then it doesn´t matter what the Troika says. It´s irrelevant because it´s not the reality. Infact, it doesn´t matter **** what the Troika says because the member states don´t act nor care about it.
Again..you didn´t answer the questions. How has any country benefited from austerity, (this includes the people living there in the long run, because thats the idea).
How is the EU policy better than sovereign states?
How is having a currency better than having your own?
How is it better to not have your own border control and let anyone in?
How can you, speaking out for democracy on me several times, support a non democracy (EU) organisation?
Any ideas yet except "i will answer latter" like you did in my Ukraine post, but didn´t find anything against it?
Try...at last..i will enjoy it
Now now 2133 you aren't doing very well with your new approach to be less condescending and dismissive around your forum etiquette ..I have noticed you making some polite apologies on other topics to people when you felt you were being rude and I was impressed. I always support self-improvement moments. But they were simple debates and its easy to be polite on those types of discussions. Try to be more polite with all people, look at me. You see I don't feel the need to insult you despite your belligerence
Also I'll be honest, I don't consider these forum debates something where there is a winner or loser. I set my bar on things I consider to be victory firmly in RL and what I need to achieve...but its good you feel sense of vindication for " winning " a forum discussion . All we do here is engage in debate that hopefully people can learn something from. And obviously there is the more light and entertaining topics like gaming which is always fun
Now no more criticism from me, I want to explain a few things. Firstly I'm glad you read the articles, I was hoping you would. All those links were posted for a reason which you have clearly missed . The first two are unequivocal "good news stories " about Spain but the third one I posted exactly because austerity is hard and obviously Spain has to stay the course as there are still economic challengers
Why would I not recognize that Spain is not all good news. I look at all this austerity strategically and understand it has different degrees of success. I also specifically mentioned that Spain still has high unemployment and government debt. But your banking system is healthy, that is key and fundamental and your economy is growing.
What I find bizarre is how you refuse to recognize this. I don't think you are some zealot, in fact I know you are very intelligent yet you fail to see the success of austerity in your own country? I'm not sure if you are hoping the Greeks will somehow get out of austerity and all those billions of Euros of debt will be removed so then Spain can follow the same route? That's a pipe dream and wont happen so my advice its best to be realistic
But go Spain, I think they have done very well considering how difficult austerity is so I want to acknowledge this even if you don't
Again you are not going into the links he posted or the one i posted (with sources from the IMF itself) that show that it clearly doesn´t work.
You are trying to justify your nonsense with backpedaling on your inital point and now throwing in meaningless phrases like "different kind of success". You sound like an politican. Differences are given because of country specific economies. But there is no such thing like "it half worked", because then it still failed to achive what it meant to do.
Because the debt didn´t shrink, unemployment is not shrinking but rising, the living standart is sinking, austeritiy did, effectivly not work.
You bring in examples like economical growth and think this is a result of austerity. Yet the IMF report i linked to shows that this only a short time effect, because the real cost of austerity measures takes some time to come into effect. You also seem to forget that a) after a complete meltdown of a state, growth in some form is natural effect. It´s easy to say Spain has some growth when they were allready laying on the floor. Every country in history had growth after a financial disaster, but in my believe, with my knowledge, and with documents by IMF and others, Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal and others would be better off with a) no austerity or very little, b) not having to conform with EU laws that may hinder them and c) their own currency with the ability to combat their problems. Even the EU is now acknowledging that the Euro might be the wrong thing for Greece.
This is like Elrond saying that the EU helped Finnland. It´s easy to turn around and look at Finnland in the crisis and say "well the EU helped us" and in some aspects he is right. But you have to look at the long run. They too, are not doing well, no signigicant grow in economical terms, billions of loses due to sancations, and no way to devalue their currency (as they did many times in these cases) to make it easier.
The same goes for a lot countries. A lot of people only look at the south, but Austria isn´t better. The french economy isn´t that great as reported in the news also. Stagnation is pretty evident in the Euro zone, and its the fault of the EU and a currency that should not be there in the first place.
I mean seriously Spains youth unemployment rate is almost 50%. with only slight fluctuations. The youth rate is a good indicator on how well an economy is doing. It doesn´t look better in the other south countries btw. Portugal, living under austerity, has longer waiting lines infront of soup kitchens then the greece infront their banks.
So, i ask you now, please with sources that are not easily debunked. How did austerity help anyone. Except the banks, and no you are wrong and right at the same time when you say a healthy bank system is needed for an economy. That is the case when you have financial control over your own currency, then it´s important. If you have a foreign currency, which the Euro effectly is, and you can´t influence it then you are a victim to that system because you can just react (bank bail-outs). THe only ones who make a profit on this system ARE the banks, not the people, not the country.
Thats infact how these (illegal by EU law) loans to greece and others work. No country has billions laying around. So they take a credit getting into more debt, to loan that money to the troubled countries, yet most of it goes to that banks (who in return are mostly owned by the big banks who gave out the credit in the first place), while the people in the troubled country get austerity (often with privatization, greece shipyards, the backbone of their country, bought up by the owners of big banks say hello) so that country can pay the loans back and the big banks make the profit. How do you, who thinks he is so smart, DOESNT SEE HOW BAD THAT IS. No, i don´t expect a real answer from you, but surprise me.
One more thing.
Now i know you are not very well educated on this but really?
"Also you seem to be looking and judging the success of austerity on USA standards....you mustn't do that as the USA standards are much higher"
There are no high standars in the US. That country is trillions in debt...growing, with no chance every paying it back, and is only afloat because the dollar is still the world trading currency (a trend that is decreasing). They print that money like crazy, which also doesn´t work forever. And the backbone of their economy, the military complex, still finds countries to bomb into the ground. They have no economy to speak off, considering their size and population. Their unenployment rate is extremly high, it just looks low because the white house reports ignore a lot (easily debunked by experts all the time..look it up yourself).
It´s always funny when the US lectures someone on debt. Heck, that goes for Germany too, they never paid their debt, they are in no possition to lecture anyone.
Do you mind sharing with me where you were born? Are you native Austrian, the reason I ask is you and I are so far apart on most issues there has to be a valid reason like some Serbs who have a dislike of the West for Bosnia and Kosovo. There is nothing wrong with being honest, I am a white South African who was born in South Africa
I am sorry to offend you now, I don't mean to but I can see no other way to make this point...you clearly don't understand what austerity means and how it is suppose to resolve the various economic issues plaguing certain EU countries
Sorry but its true, I'll explain it later but not now. Two points that will confirm my suspicion is you linked the "IMF Report " as credible proof. Its a good read and paints an accurate and gloomy view of the EU and austerity ...except its over two years old, it came out in Jan 2013. It was only after that austerity started to see positive results..like Ireland leaving the bailout program end of 2013
So your " proof " is not only old but was wrong with its predictions
Then your view that 24 % or 50 % unemployment is another sign that " how can you possibly say Spain is on the road to recovery " . You see you don't understand that there are various metrics the EU Troika uses to measures the success of austerity, two of them are the health of the banking system and the fact there economy is growing. You may ignore these and only focus on unemployment but that is not the accepted view of economists and EU Troika...and there opinion is what matters
Do you mind sharing with me where you were born? Are you native Austrian, the reason I ask is you and I are so far apart on most issues there has to be a valid reason like some Serbs who have a dislike of the West for Bosnia and Kosovo. There is nothing wrong with being honest, I am a white South African who was born in South Africa
I am sorry to offend you now, I don't mean to but I can see no other way to make this point...you clearly don't understand what austerity means and how it is suppose to resolve the various economic issues plaguing certain EU countries
Sorry but its true, I'll explain it later but not now. Two points that will confirm my suspicion is you linked the "IMF Report " as credible proof. Its a good read and paints an accurate and gloomy view of the EU and austerity ...except its over two years old, it came out in Jan 2013. It was only after that austerity started to see positive results..like Ireland leaving the bailout program end of 2013
So your " proof " is not only old but was wrong with its predictions
Then your view that 24 % or 50 % unemployment is another sign that " how can you possibly say Spain is on the road to recovery " . You see you don't understand that there are various metrics the EU Troika uses to measures the success of austerity, two of them are the health of the banking system and the fact there economy is growing. You may ignore these and only focus on unemployment but that is not the accepted view of economists and EU Troika...and there opinion is what matters
Native Austrian. If you think you can imply some sort of racial bias you are wrong. We Austrians are very liberal and open, naturaly if you take a close look at our history. Yet, we are not stupid when it comes to destroying our culture in favour of an overruling EU policy.
You clearly have no knowledge about Serbs or their and our history, don´t mention them you will only embaress yourself.
You are not offending me. That IMF report is a proof on how austerity doesn´t work, BECAUSE it showed it two years ago, NOW look at greece. Did it work? THe answer is no, they knew it didn´t work. And don´t even try to turn your words around again because the IMF is one of the creditors and thus a perfect source.
Again you have nothing to show. This report is 2 years old, yes BUT THAT IS THE POINT IDIOT. Now Greece is dip**** in trouble. BUt hey. tell me..show me how in the last 2 years the austerity in these countries worked...i beg you..show me.
And also how me forcasts, especially in a europe losing millions because of iditoic sancations.
I would like to see that...but you can´t no matter how you bend...try it
24% - 50%. Can´t you ****ing read? Your 24% unemployment rate is the general rate. Youth unemployment is alomst 50% THAT is more imporant then the general number. What the TROIKA, the DEBT firm says is of no matter, when it doesn´t make up the reality.
No, you don´t get it. It doesn´t matter what the TROIKA says, if there is rising unemployment, and sinking living standarts, then it doesn´t matter what the Troika says. It´s irrelevant because it´s not the reality. Infact, it doesn´t matter **** what the Troika says because the member states don´t act nor care about it.
Again..you didn´t answer the questions. How has any country benefited from austerity, (this includes the people living there in the long run, because thats the idea).
How is the EU policy better than sovereign states?
How is having a currency better than having your own?
How is it better to not have your own border control and let anyone in?
How can you, speaking out for democracy on me several times, support a non democracy (EU) organisation?
Any ideas yet except "i will answer latter" like you did in my Ukraine post, but didn´t find anything against it?
Try...at last..i will enjoy it
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This "Gaming then vs now" is so old by now, we should make a "'gaming then vs now' then vs now" image.
"and now, and now, and now..." :D
however one thing has clearly changed, the step to more digital distribution. As much as i like steam deals, i´m sick of needing, steam, origin, uplay, bnet etc. if i can, i will still buy a physical copy, that at last will give me the chance to play a game (crack/mod etc) even when the service is down. I´m buying a product and not a service as far as i´m concerned.
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US flavor o' free speech is almost unique in the world. every democracy claims to protect free speech.
Why? Most of europe has free speech. Historicaly speaking long before the US, which is no suprise because the US constitution is based on the Magna Carta Libertatum and it´s various interpretations. Long before the US even existed.
I will never understand this. US people are so high on their "freedom" of everything, which compared to us, is just a given thing. In fact considering some laws you have, and the the goverment can do what it want, i would say your idea of freedom is even less than what we consider freedom in europe. Or Russia, which, surprise is also a democracy. I don´t get that "we are the land of the free we can say what we want" when this is standart in europe and factual isn´t even the case in the US.
I just don´t get it.
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Now now 2133 you aren't doing very well with your new approach to be less condescending and dismissive around your forum etiquette ..I have noticed you making some polite apologies on other topics to people when you felt you were being rude and I was impressed. I always support self-improvement moments. But they were simple debates and its easy to be polite on those types of discussions. Try to be more polite with all people, look at me. You see I don't feel the need to insult you despite your belligerence
Also I'll be honest, I don't consider these forum debates something where there is a winner or loser. I set my bar on things I consider to be victory firmly in RL and what I need to achieve...but its good you feel sense of vindication for " winning " a forum discussion . All we do here is engage in debate that hopefully people can learn something from. And obviously there is the more light and entertaining topics like gaming which is always fun
Now no more criticism from me, I want to explain a few things. Firstly I'm glad you read the articles, I was hoping you would. All those links were posted for a reason which you have clearly missed . The first two are unequivocal "good news stories " about Spain but the third one I posted exactly because austerity is hard and obviously Spain has to stay the course as there are still economic challengers
Why would I not recognize that Spain is not all good news. I look at all this austerity strategically and understand it has different degrees of success. I also specifically mentioned that Spain still has high unemployment and government debt. But your banking system is healthy, that is key and fundamental and your economy is growing.
What I find bizarre is how you refuse to recognize this. I don't think you are some zealot, in fact I know you are very intelligent yet you fail to see the success of austerity in your own country? I'm not sure if you are hoping the Greeks will somehow get out of austerity and all those billions of Euros of debt will be removed so then Spain can follow the same route? That's a pipe dream and wont happen so my advice its best to be realistic
But go Spain, I think they have done very well considering how difficult austerity is so I want to acknowledge this even if you don't
Again you are not going into the links he posted or the one i posted (with sources from the IMF itself) that show that it clearly doesn´t work.
You are trying to justify your nonsense with backpedaling on your inital point and now throwing in meaningless phrases like "different kind of success". You sound like an politican. Differences are given because of country specific economies. But there is no such thing like "it half worked", because then it still failed to achive what it meant to do.
Because the debt didn´t shrink, unemployment is not shrinking but rising, the living standart is sinking, austeritiy did, effectivly not work.
You bring in examples like economical growth and think this is a result of austerity. Yet the IMF report i linked to shows that this only a short time effect, because the real cost of austerity measures takes some time to come into effect. You also seem to forget that a) after a complete meltdown of a state, growth in some form is natural effect. It´s easy to say Spain has some growth when they were allready laying on the floor. Every country in history had growth after a financial disaster, but in my believe, with my knowledge, and with documents by IMF and others, Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal and others would be better off with a) no austerity or very little, b) not having to conform with EU laws that may hinder them and c) their own currency with the ability to combat their problems. Even the EU is now acknowledging that the Euro might be the wrong thing for Greece.
This is like Elrond saying that the EU helped Finnland. It´s easy to turn around and look at Finnland in the crisis and say "well the EU helped us" and in some aspects he is right. But you have to look at the long run. They too, are not doing well, no signigicant grow in economical terms, billions of loses due to sancations, and no way to devalue their currency (as they did many times in these cases) to make it easier.
The same goes for a lot countries. A lot of people only look at the south, but Austria isn´t better. The french economy isn´t that great as reported in the news also. Stagnation is pretty evident in the Euro zone, and its the fault of the EU and a currency that should not be there in the first place.
I mean seriously Spains youth unemployment rate is almost 50%. with only slight fluctuations. The youth rate is a good indicator on how well an economy is doing. It doesn´t look better in the other south countries btw. Portugal, living under austerity, has longer waiting lines infront of soup kitchens then the greece infront their banks.
So, i ask you now, please with sources that are not easily debunked. How did austerity help anyone. Except the banks, and no you are wrong and right at the same time when you say a healthy bank system is needed for an economy. That is the case when you have financial control over your own currency, then it´s important. If you have a foreign currency, which the Euro effectly is, and you can´t influence it then you are a victim to that system because you can just react (bank bail-outs). THe only ones who make a profit on this system ARE the banks, not the people, not the country.
Thats infact how these (illegal by EU law) loans to greece and others work. No country has billions laying around. So they take a credit getting into more debt, to loan that money to the troubled countries, yet most of it goes to that banks (who in return are mostly owned by the big banks who gave out the credit in the first place), while the people in the troubled country get austerity (often with privatization, greece shipyards, the backbone of their country, bought up by the owners of big banks say hello) so that country can pay the loans back and the big banks make the profit. How do you, who thinks he is so smart, DOESNT SEE HOW BAD THAT IS. No, i don´t expect a real answer from you, but surprise me.
One more thing.
Now i know you are not very well educated on this but really?
"Also you seem to be looking and judging the success of austerity on USA standards....you mustn't do that as the USA standards are much higher"
There are no high standars in the US. That country is trillions in debt...growing, with no chance every paying it back, and is only afloat because the dollar is still the world trading currency (a trend that is decreasing). They print that money like crazy, which also doesn´t work forever. And the backbone of their economy, the military complex, still finds countries to bomb into the ground. They have no economy to speak off, considering their size and population. Their unenployment rate is extremly high, it just looks low because the white house reports ignore a lot (easily debunked by experts all the time..look it up yourself).
It´s always funny when the US lectures someone on debt. Heck, that goes for Germany too, they never paid their debt, they are in no possition to lecture anyone.
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I think it's accurate for certain games
I agree, specifically for triple A games with big publishers behind them who see us as walking wallets anyway :D. Most games are still shiped complete.
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Not bad for EA, and a good move for those who enjoy the DA:I multiplayer aspect. But that move also makes me believe that it´s not a very successful aspect of the game. I tried it, and it came across as a useless tacked on mode, one i certainly don´t enjoy or need.