Shargrath

Oh, I'm sure he did it all on his own. It's not like Obsidian would've kept the text in the game if he said no. They would've just deleted it altogether without having him rewrite it. Thought youd come out with that one. But the fact is we dont know what Obsidian would have done had he said no, which he didnt. So that point is moot. Have you actually asked Obsidian to give you your money back by the way? You never know. I did make a request for a refund or credit. Obsidian naturally, completely ignored my email. Big surprise...

Honestly, I just want my money back. The product I received is different from what I purchased, and I don't want my money going to support a studio with such immoral values. "If we caught it originally, we would've removed it" is speculation too, of course, Obsidian would backtrack and make excuses to please their masters. For all we know, they saw, and liked it, but once they saw that it could cut into their profits, they pulled the plug.

Oh, I'm sure he did it all on his own. It's not like Obsidian would've kept the text in the game if he said no. They would've just deleted it altogether without having him rewrite it.

It's autopatched, not optional. How many times do I need to say this? It's Steam that does the autopatching, not Obsidian. Use GOG and you can choose yourself whether you install a patch. Steam cant be responsible for what a developer includes in a patch. I'm not going to be buying this game again on GOG just to get an uncensored copy, which if what I think you're implying...that anyone who doesn't like censorship should just buy a second copy off GOG? I never had this issue with another game, never seen another developer engage in this sort of blatant censorship. With regards to your claim, then yes, it is entirely optional. Obsidian does not force you to use steam. You made that decision, so you live with the consequences of it. Oh, but you didn't forsee that this would be an issue? Tough. Caveat emptor. You should have been aware that you wouldn't necessarily like all possible official patches. Now, you may still dislike Obsidian, and feel the need to express this. But that is a seperate issue. This one is on you bud' It doesn't matter. I don't even want to own an Obsidian product after finding out what their stance on free speech is and that they are driven strictly by money and support censorship as long as they can make a buck from it. It feels disgusting playing a game knowing it's made by such a studo. It's like if you found out your favorite actress was secretly a neo nazi, wouldn't you want to get your money back that you spent on her movies? Its not Steam that got my money, it's Obsidian. Now my money is being used to supress speech and support censorship.

It's autopatched, not optional. How many times do I need to say this? It's Steam that does the autopatching, not Obsidian. Use GOG and you can choose yourself whether you install a patch. Steam cant be responsible for what a developer includes in a patch. I'm not going to be buying this game again on GOG just to get an uncensored copy, which if what I think you're implying...that anyone who doesn't like censorship should just buy a second copy off GOG? I never had this issue with another game, never seen another developer engage in this sort of blatant censorship.

It's autopatched, not optional.

Why aren't you complaining about Steam then? In fact, how can a man with your sense of ethics buy anything from a company that patches stuff without you explicitly opting in? Smells like double standards... I got my copy from GOG and neither it or Obsidian have forced me to patch anything, I did that voluntarily. I use Steam because I can buy their prepaid cards with cash and don't have to give my credit card number or info to buy games. GOG needs a credit card. In other words: you're ignoring your ethics for the sake of convenience. Buy stuff from stores where you can pay with cash. I don't have any problems with buying things with a credit card, I just don't trust Steam's level of security. Nothing about convenience or ethics here. I don't mind Steam auto-updating my games, the problem is 100% with Obsidian for censoring their own game.

Obsidian is waiting for the SJW and other loud mouths to tell them what to say/do.

Why aren't you complaining about Steam then? In fact, how can a man with your sense of ethics buy anything from a company that patches stuff without you explicitly opting in? Smells like double standards... I got my copy from GOG and neither it or Obsidian have forced me to patch anything, I did that voluntarily. I use Steam because I can buy their prepaid cards with cash and don't have to give my credit card number or info to buy games. GOG needs a credit card.

If it was worked into the game setting, I would see nothing wrong with it. The tombstone didn't say "KILL ALL TRANNIES", it was worked, cleverly, into the game world. If "Neo Nazi" was worked into the game as let's say, a racist faction, that had their own writings, I'd think that would make for a more interesting gameworld, even if I don't agree with content. To point that out in another game, notice how the original "The Witcher" had a lot of racism and bigotry in the game, but it was well integrated into the game world and made it a lot more interesting and creative. That doesn't mean CD Project are racists or evil, it's just part of the game world.

Oh, come on.. "Drastically changed"?? It was a few lines on a memorial stone that has absolutely zero effect on gameplay. This is obsidians game and it is, ultimately, up to them what gets put in it. How is approaching the backer and saying "do you want to change what you put on on your memorial stone in light of whats happened?" How is that unethical at all? The backer then decided to change the tomb stone to something else of his choosing, without making a fuss at all, and in fact has defended obsidian about the choice, when it is he who has the most reason to be angry! Youre also ignoring the fact that this is not a matter of free speech.. Everyone involved in this issue has had "free speech", including the SJWs who brought this up in the first place, the backer who changed it, and of course everyone who seems to think that it is a great injustice that it has been changed. Everyone has had the right to voice their opinion, but the decision was made to change that "controversial" content. Like I said, it should be an optional patch. Obsidian gave in to the SJW pressure just to make a few extra bucks. Removing text from a game isn't censorship? Interesting. I guess removing books from libraries in the USSR or Germany wasn't censorship either. After all, the government owns the libraries and get to dictate what's in them. Taking it up with steam is pointless, they will tell me to take it up with Obsidian because they are the developer who forced the change through. Whatever. I hope Obsidian enjoys the $50 that they have STOLEN from me. I guess I learned a valuable lesson for those $50 - never back or pre-order a game unless you are 100% sure of the developers moral and ethical values. And yes, it is comparable to messing up a house or a car. My computer is my property. The developer went into my property and changed something without my consent and made it drastically different and in my opinion, worse.

I don't have butthurt, I just don't see why Obsidian couldn't have made their position on speech and censorship clear before I wasted my $50 on their game. Now I have it sitting in my library and I can't play it because they forced an unethical game patch on me. If someone was offended, they could've created an optional patch for those people, not screw with my game. This is why I dislike digital distribution. Had it been a physical copy, I could've returned it or sold it, but on Steam I'm out of $50 and don't have a game I can play. First of all, you have an extremely incorrect view about what "free speech" is; that Constitutional right doesn't extend to private industries. Secondly, you also fail to understand the difference between "can't" and "won't." It's your own willful choice not to play the game, and that's fine, but you really should own up to it instead of laying the entirety of "woe is me" blame on Obsidian here. That's pathetic and implies you have no control over yourself, in which case, your opinion is moot. Companies may not have the legal obligation to allow free speech, but that doesn't mean that I would like to support a company that is against free speech. Obsidian's ethical values are not in line with my own. I value freedom of speech, Obsidian detests it. That is enough for me to not want to support them. However, Obsidian did not make this position clear prior to me backing their development of the game, which is perfectly good reason to consider myself being scammed. And it's not my willful choice, because the game I purchased was drastically changed from what I purchased to what it is now WITHOUT MY CONSENT! Steam patched it automatically and I can't download an unpatched version. That wasn't my choice. When you buy a game, you choose to send your money to the developer, and I prefer to send my money to companies that value human rights, such as the right to free speech and expression. Second, imagine if somebody broke into your sports car, because your next door neighbor found fast cars to be "Offensive because they cause crashes", and replaced the engine in the car to something that can't go faster than 10 miles an hour. Would you say the person whose car engine was replaced is being "pathetic" because they no longer consider their car to be useful? It's the same situation there. Yes, the game is technically "usable", but it's been modified without my consent, in a way, that no longer makes it enjoyable. I guess if someone broke into your house, destroyed everything, you wouldn't complain because hey, the house isn't burned down, so you can still live in it? It just looks a bit different.

I don't have butthurt, I just don't see why Obsidian couldn't have made their position on speech and censorship clear before I wasted my $50 on their game. Now I have it sitting in my library and I can't play it because they forced an unethical game patch on me. If someone was offended, they could've created an optional patch for those people, not screw with my game. This is why I dislike digital distribution. Had it been a physical copy, I could've returned it or sold it, but on Steam I'm out of $50 and don't have a game I can play. 1- There is a mod that puts the original limerick back into the game 2- I cannot believe something as petty as this actually prevented you from playing the game that you already paid for. This makes you just as bad as those who were offended by something so petty. 3- Obsidian didn't do anything unethical. 1. There are mods that can change any game to anything, that doesn't mean anything and doesn't change the fact that the game was developed by Obsidian, a developer who has displayed that they are firmly against the right of free speech and only care about the almighty dollar. 2. It's not petty, it's a matter of ethics and values. I appreciate free speech and I detest censorship. I don't want to support a company that does not support the right to free speech and will compromise their product just for the sake of getting a few extra buys. It feels disgusting to play a game by a company that is committed to doing unethical things. And yes, I believe that censorship is unethical because, 3. Obsidian did do something unethical. They censored content from a game by removing content that a loud minority found to be "offensive", despite there being absolutely nothing offensive in there just to placate those people and make a few extra bucks. This altered everybody else's product WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT, even the people who didn't find it "offensive". Why should the game I purchased be drastically changed just because some minority got offended over a harmless joke? Why can't I own the same product that I paid money for? The patch should've been optional, then there would have been no issue. If anything, after the patch was released, Obsidian should have given their backers like me, an option to get their money back.

I don't have butthurt, I just don't see why Obsidian couldn't have made their position on speech and censorship clear before I wasted my $50 on their game. Now I have it sitting in my library and I can't play it because they forced an unethical game patch on me. If someone was offended, they could've created an optional patch for those people, not screw with my game. This is why I dislike digital distribution. Had it been a physical copy, I could've returned it or sold it, but on Steam I'm out of $50 and don't have a game I can play. For crying out loud, how many people actually read those things and the souls? Why is this such a huge deal? It';s a huge deal because it's a matter of ethics. Not only did they do an unethical action by going the path of censorship, but they also altered the product I purchased without giving me an option to decline on installing the patch, thereby, changing the game from what I originally bought to a new product. I think you'd be upset too if $50 were simply stolen from you. I wish there was a way to delete the product name from my Steam game list, unfortunately, it's stuck there for good to remind me of the stupidity of having being a backer for this project. It's a shame, I enjoyed the gameplay I got out of it before Obsidian revealed their true face and pulled the game from under my feet. Anyway, Obsidian may have a small victory in that they have stolen my $50, but I'll never buy another product from them again.

I don't have butthurt, I just don't see why Obsidian couldn't have made their position on speech and censorship clear before I wasted my $50 on their game. Now I have it sitting in my library and I can't play it because they forced an unethical game patch on me. If someone was offended, they could've created an optional patch for those people, not screw with my game. This is why I dislike digital distribution. Had it been a physical copy, I could've returned it or sold it, but on Steam I'm out of $50 and don't have a game I can play.

I'm not commenting on the politics of any particular discussion, but if you think a third party created an injustice, don't let them create another one by denying you the enjoyment of the game on top of it. Whatever politics abound, it's still a game, you own it, and it would be a shame if you let someone else deprive you of its use. I know tempers are running hot on this issue, but I just hope you reconsider and at least give the game a shot. Hell, even if you really love it, I'm not saying come back and praise the game. Keep complaining if you want, but at least get the use of the product you've purchased. :Cant's Dutch uncle icon: It wasn't a third party that created the "injustice" though. It was Obsidian, who decided, to pursue a policy of censorship and displayed themselves as anti-free speech. It feels wrong for me that my money has gone to a company, whose values, are entirely against my own. I am a strong proponent and believer in free speech and dislike censorship, which is a polar opposite to the values Obsidian displayed in this situation. It feels wrong for me to play a game, knowing that it was produced by a developer who does not believe in the right of free speech and easily caves in to special interests just to make a quick buck.

I truly wish I had waited to buy this. Instead, I was so excited that I decided to pre-order, and then Obsidian had to reveal their true face of censorship by censoring the you know what poem. Now I have a game that I bought but will never play...serves me right for not waiting. That's why the smart people wait, not only do they get it for less, but they can also avoid situations like this.

Hello, I was one of the people who had anxiously awaited the release of Pillars of Eternity and pre-purchased the game in anticipation for it's release. However, I now, greatly regret this decision due to a recent change the developer made to the game. For those not familiar with the issue, Obsidian has recently decided to censor a piece of fan written text in the game, caving in to pressure from a loud minority. http://kotaku.com/pillars-of-eternity-fan-text-changed-after-player-compl-1695608446 This is the article that explains what happened. If Obsidian had changed this before the game was released, I would have never purchased it. I have played the game for about 30 minutes, but I have absolutely no desire to come back to it after Obsidian has made it clear that they do not support free speech or fan made input and cave in to special interests. I find this practice extremely unethical, and would like to formally request a refund, as the game product which I had purchased, has been significantly altered from the time that I purchased it. Thank You.