Lord Kil

I *really* think you're overlooking Nihilus' special ties to the Exile... Yes, he may have been a pushover in combat, but plotwise he is a central character, and he scared the living **** out of me when I confronted him... Until the actual fight began, that is <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've completed the game twice, and I'm usually pretty good at unraveling the plot, and I didn't notice any "special" connection between the Exile and Nihilus. We "share" an apprentice, but if he's my long lost brother or something, I missed that dialog line/cutscene. (I don't mind if you tell me what I missed!) It's not that Nihilus and Scion aren't "important", it's just that they aren't fleshed out very well as characters. Even worse, most of the main plot of the game ignores them. You spend your time trying to find lost jedi, not being bothered by or even mentioning these two figures. So basically, they strut around in a few cutscenes, you kill them, then you forget them. Even if Scion gets long winded at the end, it's just not enough to call him a real "main villian".

That makes no sense to me. I mean, the people who exiled him say they want him back, and so he just comes running like a good little puppy dog? Seems to me that rejection and exile doesn't exactly make you feel very motivated toward pleasing the people who condemned you in the first place. The Exile may be a jedi and therefore not subject to such "negative" emotions, but he was still pretty defiant when he left the order. If he just comes running home when daddy calls, then he admits that the council was right all along and that he was wrong to defy them and choose exile rather than submit to them, let alone choose to fight the Mandalorians in the first place. That doesn't seem very likely to me, since the stand he took was scarcely a spontaneous one - it's the sort of choice you make and stand by, because the consequences are severely obvious, and yet the Exile chose as he did. He is far more likely to say, "Oh, they cast me out, but now that I've become 'useful' they think I'll come running at their whim - they're going to be pretty disappointed..." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Remember, the Exile voluntarily went before the council after the Mandalorian wars. He was the only one to come back and "chat" according to the jedi masters we talk to. I think the Exile was willing to at least hear what they had to say, even if he still feels going to war was the right thing to do. At least that's how MY Exile felt.

Malak was campy and stereotypical, but the story makes him into a great villian. Think about all that's happened prior to your final confrontation: 1.) He destroyed an entire planet trying to kill you. 2.) You learn that he was your former apprentice, and he tried to "backstab" you while you were fighting Jedi's to take over the army you built. 3.) Your first confrontation on the Leviathon ends with him "kidnapping" your hot girlfriend and turning her to the dark side. By the time you hit the Star Forge, you've got plenty of "motivation" for wanting to take him out. The only villian that comes close to making it personal in KOTOR 2 is Kreia. The only reason your fighting Kreia though, is because she asked you to. Scion and Nihilus are just cut scene "action figures" with zero dialog, and zero connection to your character. At least you get to talk to Atris, and she attacks one of your potential girlfriends. It's a start, but she's no Malak. Malak is still the big dawg of KOTOR villians, we'll see what KOTOR 3's got. :cool: