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17 hours ago, smjjames said:
That's false equivalency all over the place ktchong, for one, China isn't invading another country to do it and the US didn't round people up into re-education camps in Iraq and Afghanistan. A much more direct equivalent of what China is doing would be like the US rounding up Native Americans into re-education camps.
Did Native Americans started bombing, shooting and driving into people in train stations, museums, public squads and other public places?
Those attacks are called terrorism -- and those terrorists attack were what Xinjiang Uyghur Muslims had been doing in China with increasing frequency and intensity in China, which finally led to the mass crackdown of Uyghur to put an end to the terrorist attacks in 2016. Between 2013 and 2016, there were over 50 major terrorist attacks in China -- all of them, every single one of those terrorist attacks, were committed by Uyghur Muslims.
And what do you propose China should have done to stop the non-stop terrorist attacks from Uyghur?
This current on-going rounding up, internment. concentration, re-education, or whatever you want to call it, of Uyghur did not happen out of vacuum. China did not just suddenly decided to target Uyghur for no reason. The current situation is the result of the series of escalating terrorist attacks carried out by Uyghur in China between 2008 and 2016, the important context that is being obfuscated by the Western media. Before 2010, Uyghur actually had given special privileges that even Han Chinese did not have: any Uyghur men could brandish their traditional sword in the public, (the majority Hans have never been allowed to own or carry a weapon in public without special permission.) Uyghur got special subsidies and treatments when applying to universities. Uyghur got special government subsidies if they wanted to start businesses. Uyghur were given preferential treatments in the entertainment and media business, (China actually had a lot of Uyghur media celebrities from before 2010.) Those privileges had been revoked and taken away in bits and pieces in recent years in retaliation for the escalating Uyghur terrorist attacks, which finally led to the current Chinese crackdown and sentiment of "show no mercy" to Uyghur. Well, when your country was hit by over 50 terrorist attacks in three years that killed hundreds of people, can't blame the people to have finally run out of patience and want some revenge and justice.
Whatever China is doing in Xinjiang, it is working. Terrorist attacks have dropped drastically after 2016 when China started rounding up Uyghur and putting them in re-education camp, to re-educate and de-program them so that they would not go around blowing themselves up, shooting innocent people, and driving trucks into people. In 2018 and 2019. there has not been a single terrorist attack from Uyghur. So the internment and concentration camp or whatever you want to call it -- it is working. It has stopped Uyghur terrorism in China.
And that is the fundamental and most important duty of a government: to protect the public safety and security of its people.
The US had invaded Afghanistan and Iraq in the name of "fighting terrorism", which has resulted in the death of millions of Afghan and Iraqi civilians. It is hypocrisy for the US to criticize China that is also fighting terrorism. And whatever China is doing, it is doing in its own territories. (Xinjiang is internationally recognized territories of China, regardless of how you want to spin it.) At least China has not gone out to invade and occupy other countries for two decades to "fight terrorism". Telling China to stop cracking down Uyghur (to stop terrorism) is actually the same as telling the US to stop invading and occupying countries in the Middle East (to stop terrorism;) China has not made such a demand of America, so America should stay the out of how China fights terrorism inside its borders. By the way, China's methods have been very effective in stopping terrorism, while America's efforts have only created ISIS, set the entire Middle East on fire, brought misery and suffering to the civilians in the Middle East, created the current migrant crisis in Europe, and brought itself closer to bankruptcy. You can complain about and criticize that China is harvesting Uyghurs, (an allegation that has never been proven,) but is it worse that what America is doing in the Middle East: endless wars and occupations, killing millions of civilians, for oil and war profiteering? For America do make demands of China to stop cracking down on Uyghur is the same as Americans telling Chinese to let the Uyghur terrorist attacks to kill Chinese and create havoc in China -- but then again, that is likely exactly America's intention.
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Here, another of how the the US -- through its Western establishment media -- had been straight out LYING and making up FAKE NEWS. Remember all the news images and videos that you had seen about how Venezuelans did not have food, that they were starving and dying due to "socialism"? Blatant LIES and FAKE NEWS, created by the US and media, to prepare for an invasion for the "humanitarian" pretense. The lies were so different from the on-the-ground reality that you would be shocked, that you simply would not believe the brazen extent of the lies and fake news in the establishment media.
Don't miss the grocery shopping in Venezuela at the end:
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On 11/21/2019 at 2:51 PM, Zoraptor said:
Nah, I'm no friend of 'western media' and they'll happily parrot anything they're given, but I also have very little doubt that their reporting of China is slanted, but more or less 'factual'. Chinese reflexively blame Falun Gong ...
And in China's case there's always Xinjiang and the muslim non FG Uighurs being harvested/ re-educated/ concentration camped.
I did NOT use any Chinese source to debunk the Western and Falun Gong's propaganda of organ harvest in China. All of the sources I used originated from the US: a white American civilian who previously worked for Falun Gong inside America (and he has never even been to China or outside the US) and an independent news outlet, the Grayzone.
I have posted about the XInjiang situation, with links and references, quite a few times in the past. I will just simply sum it up here: the current situation is result of what happened in China from 2008 to 2016. During those years, Xinjiang Uyghur separatist Muslims committed more and more terrorist attack -- including bombing and mass shooting -- inside China. Sometime between 2014 to 2016, the Chinese government, through the interrogations of terrorists who were capture alive, discovered that Turkey and the US -- i.e., the CIA -- had been behind the Uyghur terrorism in China.
(I might have posted here the horror story of how China extracted the information from the Uyghur terrorists who were captured alive... or maybe not so much alive. As the story went on the Chinese social media: China was able to resuscitate and kept alive a Ugyhur terrorist who had blown off half of his own body. The Ugyhur terrorist resisted interrogation , but he finally broke when a Chinese interrogator used a mirror to show him that the entire bottom half of his body was missing; but I am sure China must have found out about CIA and Turkey's involvement from multiple sources. China had to do what it got to do to fight domestic terrorism.)
Basically, the CIA working with Turkey had been recruiting Uyghur Muslims from Xinjiang, armed and trained them to fight in Iraq against Iran and then in Syria against the Assad regime, and then send them back into China to create jihadist and separatist cells. CIA's plan was to use Uyghur Islamic terrorism to destabilize China. After China piece together who had been behind the attack, the Chinese communist government finally decided to bring out the sledgehammer in 2016 to put an end to America's scheme. There was when the mass crackdown and internment of Xinjiang Muslims began.
The way I see it: if America could invade Afghanistan and Iraq to fight terrorism in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, killing millions of innocent Afghan and Iraqi civilians and villagers who had nothing to do with 9/11, then China can very damned well round up everyone in Xinjiang and send them to re-education camp to fight the Uyghur terrorist attacks that had been escalating in China between 2009 and 2016.
FYI: Uyghur terrorist attacks have completely stopped since 2016, the year when China started the mass crackdown and internment of Uyghur. There has not been a single case of Uyghur terrorist attack in China after 2016. So, whatever China is doing in Xinjiang, it is working.
As for the accusation of China has been harvesting Uyghur, it is the same position I have with the allegation of harvesting of Falon Gong practioner: " I do not know if organ harvesting is actually going on in China. I have not seen any solid evidence to prove that it is actually happening, nor am I certain that it is not happening. " Both Falun Gong and Xinjiang separatist Uyghur had been working together -- and with the NED, an offshoot of the CIA; which explains why both use the same smear tactics against China.
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16 hours ago, Zoraptor said:
Yeah, but... the concentration camps, orwellian re-education, seizure of children and organ harvesting in Xinjiang is several orders of magnitude worse than what's happening in HK. HK is lucky it's a port with a lot of ex pats and foreign businesses or they would have been Tiananmened months ago.
Kind of funny though, Han Mandarin speakers genuinely do seem to believe that everyone hates them, because... Han are the best, and people are envious of their superiority.
In case you are going to call the guy a "paid China troll", he was not in China and likely had never been to China. IMO, he has never even been outside the US.
Here is a report on China ‘organ harvesting’ -- and how it was a smear engineered by Falun Gong and its extensive media network and political connections in the West. The report is on The Grayzone, which, if you do not already know, is a very respectable independent news outlet, on par with the Intercept. The Grayzone actually shares a lot of the same contributors and journalists with the Intercept.
Link: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harvesting-cult-falun-gong/
QuoteReports on China ‘organ harvesting’ derive from front groups of far-right cult Falun Gong
A wave of corporate media reports on Chinese organ harvesting rely without acknowledgement on front groups connected to the far-right Falun Gong cult, whose followers believe “Trump was sent by heaven to destroy the Communist Party.”
By Ryan McCarthy, September 30, 2019
Western corporate media outlets have gone wild with claims that the Chinese state is “harvesting” the organs of ethnic minorities and political opposition figures. But an investigation by The Grayzone has found that these allegations originate from front groups run by the far-right opposition cult Falun Gong.
Falun Gong, whose devotees can often be seen clad in yellow and performing coordinated qi gong routines in crowded city centers, runs an ultra-conservative, staunchly pro-Donald Trump media network that has been compared to Alex Jones’ Infowars.
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In order to understand, then, how heavily politicized rumors from an obscure far-right cult found their way into the headlines, it is essential to trace the roots of the story through an elaborate network of front groups.
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Link: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harvesting-cult-falun-gong/
As I said, people should not believe everything they see in the Western media. Here is a good example: Do you still think Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?
Just to be clear: I do not know if organ harvesting is actually going on in China. I have not seen any solid evidence to prove that it is actually happening, nor am I certain that it is not happening. (i.e., just because I have not seen any evidence or proof does not mean it does not exist.)
I have looked at/into sources that claimed China was harvesting organs, and I evaluated those sources. All of them were problematic: either the sources had good reasons to lie, (i.e., the so-called "survivors" or "victims" were Falun Gong followers who wanted asylum,) or they were organizations that were connected to or working with Falun Gong, (like the "China Tribunal" or the Xinjiang separatists) I do not trust anything coming out of Falun Gong followers because I have seen their newspapers (The Epoch Time, which is freely distributed everywhere in Chinese communities and enclaves all across America) and YouTube video channels (China Uncensored.) Those newspapers and channels were aggressively deceitful and misleading.
I also had logical reasons to doubt their claims:
- Falun Gong has been banned in China for over 20 years. Practically no one in China practices it now. How is it possible China still has so many healthy Falun Gong prisoners to harvest? How is it possible for any Falun Gong followers to survive 20 years in China's prison if they were supposedly tortured and treated so inhumanely?
- If China truly has "organ transplant tourism", which supposedly is a booming industry, then why haven't we seen any actual tourist who had received organ transplants in China? If China's booming organ tourism has existed for so many years, then there must have been a lot of tourists who have traveled to China and purchased organs for transplants. Yet I have not been able to find even one such "tourist" in the news.
I had a bunch of questions about China's organ harvesting. I thought about the claims, and a lot of things just do not add up or make logical sense. If something you see a news that interests you, do not trust what they report right away -- especially if it is CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. Look into it. Fact check it. Then, think about it critically: does it add it? does it make sense?
Do not believe everything you see in the Western media, (actually, any media.) As I said, China's biggest fault in terms of media control is censorship: it censored dissenting and unfavorable news and opinions. On the other hand, Western media actually make up and report fake news; even China does not sink to that level. And Western mainstream establishment media not only lie about China. The media has also lied about Iraq, about Syria, about Russia, about Israel, about Palestinians, about Saudi Arabia, about Yemen, about Bernie Sanders, about Harvey Weinstein, about Jeffrey Epstein, about Yellow Vest protests, about Bolivia, and the examples just go on and on -- just straight-out lies and lies, just making up fake stuff and pull ****s out of thin air.
CNN, the New York Times and the Washington Post have become the absolute worst, even worse than Fox News, and I do not even watch Fox News, (have only seen clips of it on YouTube.) BTW, I was not always distrustful and hostile against the media. I used to trust those "big names", CNN, the NYT, the WaPo. However, in the past few years, I kept catching them lying, more and more often, and on bigger and bigger lies. Seriously their dishonesty have been getting worse. Now they have become brazen.
Finally, one last thing: a lot of Americans already do not trust the media on Iraq, on Syria, on Russia, on Israel, on Palestinians, on Saudi Arabia, on Yemen, on Bernie, on Weinstein, on Epstein, on Bolvia. Yet, whenever the media smears China or reports something negative about China, then everyone unquestionably believes whatever the media says. Frankly IMO the problem is those people's own anti-China bias or anti-Chinese racism: they want to believe the media when it lies about China because the media's narrative fits into their own preconceived notions about China.
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And, Hong Kongers were also fueled by disgusting, overt hatred and racism against Chinese -- which is ironic because Hong Kongers are in denial and detached from the facts that they are Chinese themselves. On the other hand, the US and the West are more than happy to fuel the racism as long as it furthers their anti-Chinese agenda:
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"Democracy" and "freedom" are not going to fix Hong Kong's problems.
The actual source of Hong Kong's problems is the worsening housing crisis and class inequality, which was created by by four particular cartel/oligarch/tycoon families that control the economy in Hong Kong.
When the UK was about to hand Hong Kong back to China in 1997, the UK simply "sold" or "transferred" all the lands in Hong Kong to those four family/privately-owned companies that, of course, are closely connected to the UK. (They were and still are privately-owned so China would not be able to buy public shares in them and take over those companies -- basically, the UK was already planning and plotting on how to sabotage and undermine China in Hong Kong before the handover.)
Since then, those four families have grown to become powerful cartels/oligarchs/tycoons in Hong Kong. They have leveraged their near-monopoly of Hong Kong real estates into controlling many other industries and aspects of Hong Kong, including the local media and press. And they have been using their control of Hong Kong economy to make lives worse and worse for Hong Kongers, who then blame their problems on China.
Here is a breakdown and explanation:
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As someone who consumes news from the US, China, and all over the world, I would say the Western media is more dishonest than Chinese state media — yes, you read it right, Chinese state media. As far as I have seen, Xinhua and People’s Daily do not make up — or have not yet made up — “fake news”, (not that I get my news exlusively from them.) Chinese state media simply censors and selectively not reports any unfavorable news. Which is actually not too different from what the Western establishment media like the CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, BBC, Guardian, etc. have been doing for years and years. Some examples: ABC buried and killed an Jeff Epstein expose four years ago, NBC killed a Harvey Weinstein news story, CNN and MSNBC are currently “erasing” Bernie Sanders in a media blackout, the Western media simply ignores the Yellow Vest protests in France and many other on-going protests against US-backed and Western-backed regimes. The US mainstream establishment media has always censored and controlled news about Palestinians (who are almost never on the news, and only shown negatively when they are reported) and Saudi Arabia (almost always reported positively — the Saudi royal family actually owns a lot of shares in many US news and media corporations, so that figures.)
I would say the Western media is even WORSE than Chinese state media. Just recently, the Western media just made up lies about the US-backed coup in Bolivia, the conflicts in Syria, polls that showed Bernie Sanders as the number-one frontrunner, i.e., one of CNN’s own polls showed that Bernie Sanders was number one in the poll, but in the news they blatantly lied and just swapped the orders of Bernie and other candidates in that poll; and then, of course, CNN just just completely ignored and not mentioned Bernie when reporting that "fixed" poll. It was shocking how blatant CNN was, and it did not just happened once “by mistake”. CNN straight-out LIED about their own polls, on TV, repeatedly and multiple times. So it was deliberate. And, of course, both CNN and MSNBC straight-out lied about the coup in Bolivia.
As far as I know, even Chinese state media does not straight-out lie like CNN and MSNBC. The worse China has done is they censor news. They just do not report anything unfavorable. China has not (yet) made up lies about stuff in the news. On the other hand, Western media has entered that “fake news” territory – and just made up stuff that is not even true.
IMO, the best and most credible news sources are independent news like the Intercept and Grayzone. Russia Today is more trustworthy than CNN and MSNBC. Xinhua and People Daily are also more credible — because they do not make up stuff; they just censor out stuff that they do not want to report. On the other hand, establishment media like CNN and MSNBC just make up stuff. That is just LYING. And they are doing it more and more; CNN especially has been getting brazen lately. I do not watch Fox News, but I think even Fox News does not sink to that level. Sure, Fox News have talking heads spilling right-wing talking points, but we all know they are speaking their opinions and not reporting news. CNN (especially) and MSNBC, on the other hand, just straight-out make up stuff. It is shocking.
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"Shady Pete" aka the Gay Obama...
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On 11/8/2019 at 8:25 AM, Gfted1 said:
Vote Yang!!
At some point, BOTH Tulsi and Yang will have to drop out of the Democratic primary because:
(1) They both draw from the same pools of support of Bernie and progressives, so they are actually taking support and votes away from Bernie in the primary. If either Tulsi and Yang drops out, most of their base will move to Bernie. People who support Tulsi or Yang ain’t moving to some neoliberal corporatist establishment candidate like Biden, Bootyjuggs or Kamala.
(2) The only way for either Tulsi and Yang to win is for Bernie to drop out, which will cause the majority of Bernie’s base to split and join Tulsi and Yang.
SPOILER ALERT: Bernie ain’t dropping out.
(3) Bernie is the front-running anti-establishment progressive candidate, and he is way ahead of either Tulsi and Yang – OR even Tulsi and Yang combined. There is no way for Tulsi or Yang to catch up to Bernie in this election cycle.
(4) Tulsi and her husbands are not a Christian – she is Hindu. Yang and his wife are Chinese ethnic. Those identity issues will become HUGE liabilities in the general election, much like how Bootyjugg being gay is the elephant in the room that will be a huge liability in the general election against Trump. A lot of Americans simply will not vote for a pagan, Chinese or gay person to be the president.
(5) I don’t mind Tulsi and Yang stay in the debates to bring attention to the very important issues of forever wars and robocalypse. However, if they continue to stay in the race when the primary officially begins, then they will become the spoilers for progressives. At some point, they will need to drop out and move their support and votes to Bernie, so that progressives can consolidate support and votes behind one candidate, the one who is most likely to win. I’m Asian and I’d like to see an Asian president, (Tulsi is half-Asian,) but I’m realistic enough to know it ain’t happening in this cycle.
Even though Bernie's age continues to bother me, but he is the progressive candidate who has the best chance of winning.
For the greater good: to defeat the neoliberal corporatist establishment.
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"I only hire the best people!"
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She's BACK!!!
Hillary's official website has just been updated with some new pages....
... God help us all.
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It's art, it's ant genocide - it's a win-win!
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Music: Listening and Sharing
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Cheap Thrills, the rendition by Pitch Perfect.