Interesting fights...

[Dyan]

Edited several posts to improve readability and fix some coding (bolding/quote breaking and such) errors made...

 

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Thanks . I hadn't realised putting in multiple quotes via copy and paste from the same poster didn't work.

[Dyan]

Darth Malak vs Darth Traya/Kreia

 

Architect: Why does everyone think that Kreia is more powerful than Malak? Just because Malak was extremely easy to beat in the game it doesn't mean he is weak. Storywise he is not weak. Understand this, just say when Bastila fights Malak on the Leviathin, if you were controlling Bastila, she'd win, but because your not, it comes down to who is more powerful storywise and Malak won. Understand.

 

In regards to that - Malak may not have been weak physically, but as has been mentioned on other threads, he reeks of having a galaxy-sized insecurity complex. In a straight sabre fight, I suspect that Malak would win - but it isn't simply a straight fight; words would be involved too. Kreia would play off his insecurities by comparing him to Revan, work him up into a frenzy and he would play right into her hands. That is how she would win.

 

Juhani vs Mira (Force-User)

Architect:

I think they'd become arch-enemies. They seem so different to me.

 

When I said they'd become bestest-best friends I wasn't being entirely serious. While they are different, they are both light side. (or were in my game). Both of them are anti-evil for the most part even though each do things differently. I think they would talk before crossing sabres and work things out without fighting.

 

If they were to fight, I would say Juhani would win because of the fact she has dark side powers and she's a guardian - charge straight in and take Mira down before she could react. Either that, or a stealth battle.

[Dark Moth]

I found Kreia easier to take out than Malak. I do think it's kind of weird how she's too weak to do anything on her own throughout the whole story then *BOOM!* She's an uber-powerful Sith Lord who can make lightsabers float.

 

Seeing Bastila vs Handmaiden would be rather interesting. I think Bastila would be able to take her out fairly easily though, as she's much stronger in the force and probably just as good with a lightsaber.

[Gabrielle]

Seeing Bastila vs Handmaiden would be rather interesting.  I think Bastila would be able to take her out fairly easily though, as she's much stronger in the force and probably just as good with a lightsaber.

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Cat fight.

 

 

Bastila vs female Exile over the love interest of Revan. Passion can be a dangerous weapon.

[Dark Moth]

Seeing Bastila vs Handmaiden would be rather interesting.  I think Bastila would be able to take her out fairly easily though, as she's much stronger in the force and probably just as good with a lightsaber.

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Cat fight.

 

 

Bastila vs female Exile over the love interest of Revan. Passion can be a dangerous weapon.

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The love interest of female Revan, right?

[Indev Noor]

Regarding Malak vs Kreia, I had a rather different experience, I found Kreia to be easier than Malak.

 

Although Malak can be defeated by robotically making the right decisions and beating on him, with Kreia I simply ran away from her 3 sabers, then ran back around them and force jumped to her. Slice & dice, I win the end. Whereas w/ Malak it was a long slog with necessary meds, but then I was a consular when I took him on. I've only finished Kotor 1 & 2 each once so far

 

That said, in K1 consulars had a lower attack rating so that contributed. Without his toy tanks, Malak is indeed easier than Kreia with her 3 summoned lightsabers - if one had to stand and take them on, duke it out

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[Guest The Architect]

Darth Malak    vs    Darth Traya/Kreia

 

once you destroyed malak's jedi batteries he fell pretty easily.

 

Yes but you must understand not to go by how difficult they are to beat in the game, this is storywise. I found Dark Jedi in KOTOR who were harder than Malak, but that doesn't mean they are more powerful than him.

 

Yes, Yes I know what your getting at, for that matter, Calo Nord was tougher to beat than malak, but I don't think he was more powerful.

 

But the toughness of them in the actual gameplay is really the way to form a basis of opinion as to how strong they'd be against each other, besides just who you like better.

 

Malak was a pushover against pretty much whatever type of character I used on him, even my jedi consular with master speed and master flurry activated took him out with ease, not even using any other force powers, not even force immunity. his lighting strikes seem to just tickle my character and do minor damage, so I just used that turn to hack him up some more.  After you destroyed the jedi batteries of course unless you just want to drag it out abit.

I'm not trying to say he wasn't powerful, he just wasn't much of a fight if you used the right attack on him.

Kreia on the other hand was much harder to take out, even using the force crush on her only did minor damage, My favorite way to defeat her was using force confusion on one of her sabers and stasis on the others, then force crush on them while they where in stasis, insanity worked well too so they are frozen without an attack turn.

Sith Lord style, stand back and use her own weapon against her. It was fun watching her try to dodge her own saber that was attacking her on your behalf, betrayed by her own saber...lol.

Besides Malak already had half his face sliced off, he was only a couple of inches away from being a memory from the start of his introduction into the star wars universe.

And that was from a jedi attack, according to the expanded universe anyway, how could he hope to win against a truely powerful foe. If he couldn't guard against 1 saber what chance does he have against 3 at once.

 

And you never addressed the fact that only the star forge made him so powerful in the first place, if Malak and Darth Traya fought on the star forge he might have a chance, if the fight took place ANYWHERE else he had no chance of winning.

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Fair enough. There are some good reasons as to why Kreia would win. It's just the biggest reason I'm sticking with Malak is because in KOTOR it's made out that Revan is the only one in the galaxy capable of stopping Malak which makes me think that the only force-user in the galaxy who is more powerful than Malak is Revan and no-one else, not even the Exile. I know that I should take into consideration that during the events of KOTOR The Jedi Council would presume Kreia to be dead and that the Exile is in Exile and had been cast out of the Jedi Order so they wouldn't consider using them but I just keep getting that impression that Revan was the only one that could stop Malak. Vrook says in KOTOR that if you (Revan) doesn't stop Malak he will destroy you and all the Jedi.

Edited January 14, 2006 by The Architect