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  1. http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2016-12/konjunktur-deutsche-wirtschaft-ausgaben-fluechtlingskrise-konsum

     

    Granted it's German. But Google is your friend. It basically states that the German economy grew by (another) 0.3% due to the refugees. This is because the refugees simply are a lot of people that get new jobs and especially can buy new stuff. Taking care of the refugees also creates many jobs for Germans. The article also says that if refugees continue to come in at the same rate, they would (mathematically) boost the economy by another 0.7% (+ to economic growth).

     

    The refugees are like a mini economic stimulus plan.

    I am willing to grant outright that they boost the economy. The issue is, "Does the boost justify the cost"? I asked for a citation of the German government running a surplus, as that seems to be what you claimed (perhaps I misunderstood you). It is also worth noting that refugees are not needed for increased government spending and consumption (which is claimed to be the source of the economy boost).

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    Government spending on infrastructure is actually a good long-term economic investment though (not that private infrastructure wouldn't be better, but that's a different topic). Massive spending on consumption has little-to-no long term benefits, and all government spending has long term consequences.

     

    Ah, the joy of religious belief. Sometimes I wish I had more faith.  :w00t:

     

    Wut? That's not a matter of faith. That infrastructure is a good long term investment and that the private sector builds things cheaper and better than the public sector are both very grounded in reality.

     

     

    In the previous years government HAS spend all the money on Germans, and we still have had a bigger economic growth this year. And, the German government ended up with another 19 billion unused euro. Again, much more money than before... Usually there was either no money left or even just debt. This has, economically speaking, been a great year for Germany, the refugees are a big cause for that, and it would be ignorant to denie that. 

    So you're saying that the refugees are SO helpful to the German economy simply by their very presence they boosted the economy so much the (likely) drastic increase in government spending to take care of them didn't matter? The German government actually ran a surplus? Could I get a citation? Also, if this is true; holy crap Germany is good with money.

  3. Isn't Trump going to splurge big on infrastructure for exactly that reason. 

    Government spending on infrastructure is actually a good long-term economic investment though (not that private infrastructure wouldn't be better, but that's a different topic). Massive spending on consumption has little-to-no long term benefits, and all government spending has long term consequences.

     

    I'm not gonna say that refugees are the devil, but the "economy grew because the government is splurging to take care of them" argument is poor proof to the contrary. This is especially true if you bring up that the government COULD have spent all that money exclusively on Germans; which would have been much better for them. All the growth and none of the turmoil.

  4. Maybe I'm an odd one, but I don't see the big deal. People get killed all the time in Chicago and elsewhere. Why is this, where no one died and the suspects got caught, such a point of interest?

     

     

    EDIT: Regarding the supposed, BLMKidnapping, as some are calling it.

  5. Re: "Let there be an arms race" lunacy, DOD/IC words from four years ago.

     

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    Hilarious of Trump to speak of "yuge" cost overruns of F-35, then speak of a wholly unnecessary and costly expansion of the strategic arsenal.

    I'm not interested in expanding our nuclear capability either, but this is still far more reasonable than the F-35. 

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    The Chinese don't care that their stuff is poisonous the Americans only care that their stuff is not too poisonous. It's different alright...so pick your poison, literally.

     

     

    Are you really comparing something like salmonella or e-coli, which can put you in the hospital immediately, to fast food?  Look, I hate fast food.  I haven't stepped foot in a McDonalds in about 20 years.  But it is regulated and I'm glad it is.  Are you arguing for stiffer regulations that make the food healthier?  Are you arguing for less regulations so they can lower costs and cut corners?  What is your point here?

     

    You can buy stuff and go sell sandwiches on the side of the road in the US by the way.  You can do it until you get reported, at which point you will get fined and shut down.  Or you can go get a permit, which is not exactly a king's ransom, demonstrate some sense of food safety, and sell food on the side of the road, depending on the property rights.  Woe are we, with so many rules.   :rolleyes:  

     

    Speaking of which; I just got back from a McDonalds. My friend payed so how could I say no? At any rate; I just got the side salad, apple slices, and a water. McDonalds is fine; it's people who are the problem. 

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    At any rate; even ideologies have their limits. "Utopia" as I understand it is meant to be a perfect society, but "society" to me is just a means to an end that will become obsolete. My preferred end-game isn't a society at all. If society is still a thing; then people still have a long way to go in terms of development.

     

    Being concerned about a "Perfect Society" in the future, is like a man in the 19th century worrying about the creation "perfect" horse carriage in the 21st century.

    That man knew what the biggest problem with horse carriages was: The horse. So, most likely his vision was that of a carriage without horses, which is essentially where we came from.

     

    This is actually a perfect example of why utopian thinking helps: the idea of the perfect horse carriage (one without a horse) has driven engineers to come up with that perfect carriage, and they did so because they had a vision.

     

    It seems you missed the point, and a horse carriage without a horse isn't a horse carriage. 

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    We need many different ideologies and standpoints to sustain our own society.

     

    I can't think of a classical liberal society that has ever become a failed state. Maybe the issue isn't that strict adherence to ideology tanked certain societies, but rather said societies had adopted a poor ideology. 

     

    At any rate; even ideologies have their limits. "Utopia" as I understand it is meant to be a perfect society, but "society" to me is just a means to an end that will become obsolete. My preferred end-game isn't a society at all. If society is still a thing; then people still have a long way to go in terms of development. 

     

    Being concerned about a "Perfect Society" in the future, is like a man in the 19th century worrying about the creation "perfect" horse carriage in the 21st century. 

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    It was the wrong word I admit. What I mean is that he thinks people are fundamentally the same. Thus he comes up with scenarios where some one like HIM (everyone is like him you see) would behave in such ways, and projects that onto others. He thus considers them to be somewhat defective because they are defective versions of himself.

     

     

    And you don't think that the mindset where "everyone is fundamentally the same, ie. deep down exactly like me, and anybody who differs from me must do so because they're defective in their divergence from the One True Human Being" is borderline sociopathic in its solipsism at the very least shows a strong and rather unsavory authoritarian streak?

    He's not suggesting they need to be corrected. Only giving his opinion on how it happens. He may believe that any cure is worse than the disease. Meshugger doesn't seem to me to be a person who likes to resolve conflict with force.

     

     

     

    Get a media job for being gay. Enjoy attention from your progressive friends for being LGBT and moving up the progressive stack. Enjoy the benefits of a homosexual benefactor. 

     

    These would be people who are engaging in LGBT behavior, but only due to outside influence. Take away the job, progressive stack, and boyfriend cash; they'd be straight, or "normal".  

     

     

    That particular knife cuts both ways; since open homosexuality is - much like any form of easily discerned divergence from the default - censured by society, how do you know that the very same people who'd be "straight" in such a scenario wouldn't display heterosexual behavior only for fear of negative consequences?

     

    I'm slightly confused by the question. Rephrase it so a dumber person could follow it. Are you asking, "How do I know there are straight people engaging in LGBT behavour?" or am I just being dumb?

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    Normal people have a feminine respective masculine inner ideal of what they want to spend the rest of their lives with, lets call it the inner waifu. Homosexuals have never developed such and project themselves on their inner waifu. Ergo, they want to screw themselves instead of overcoming their complexes of their masculine and feminine traits. Transsexuals on the other hand, wish to become their inner waifu, meaning that their complexes stem from different kind of complex.

     

     

    Man, I have to use this video a lot in response to you, don't I?

     

     

    It's almost sad how easy it is to hit a nerve with you.

     

     

    Normal people have a feminine respective masculine inner ideal of what they want to spend the rest of their lives with, lets call it the inner waifu. Homosexuals have never developed such and project themselves on their inner waifu. Ergo, they want to screw themselves instead of overcoming their complexes of their masculine and feminine traits. Transsexuals on the other hand, wish to become their inner waifu, meaning that their complexes stem from different kind of complex. Everyone in-between are just confused about themselves.

     

    I'm afraid your projecting yourself onto others. You're rationalizing how people like you (hetero-sexual) could desire to engage in 'different' kinds of sexual patterns without external material motivations. For some one who is implied (by others) to be a fascist from time-to-time you have an awfully egalitarian<-(not the correct use of the term, but best I could come up with) mindset regarding other people.

     

     

    But anyhow, what do you mean by external material motivations?

     

    Get a media job for being gay. Enjoy attention from your progressive friends for being LGBT and moving up the progressive stack. Enjoy the benefits of a homosexual benefactor. 

     

    These would be people who are engaging in LGBT behavior, but only due to outside influence. Take away the job, progressive stack, and boyfriend cash; they'd be straight, or "normal".  

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    Normal people have a feminine respective masculine inner ideal of what they want to spend the rest of their lives with, lets call it the inner waifu. Homosexuals have never developed such and project themselves on their inner waifu. Ergo, they want to screw themselves instead of overcoming their complexes of their masculine and feminine traits. Transsexuals on the other hand, wish to become their inner waifu, meaning that their complexes stem from different kind of complex. Everyone in-between are just confused about themselves.

     

    I'm afraid your projecting yourself onto others. You're rationalizing how people like you (hetero-sexual) could desire to engage in 'different' kinds of sexual patterns without external material motivations. For some one who is implied (by others) to be a fascist from time-to-time you have an awfully egalitarian<-(not the correct use of the term, but best I could come up with) mindset regarding other people.

     

     

    How on earth does implying that homo- and transsexual people are mentally underdeveloped and burdened by various complexes betray an "egalitarian" mindset...?

     

    It was the wrong word I admit. What I mean is that he thinks people are fundamentally the same. Thus he comes up with scenarios where some one like HIM (everyone is like him you see) would behave in such ways, and projects that onto others. He thus considers them to be somewhat defective because they are defective versions of himself.

     

    Meshugger: How would I be like that? Maybe if I made myself my inner waifu. 

     

    The difference between my perception of him vs me is that I think that LGBT are so absolutely different from myself that I cannot even hope to fathom why they are the way they are. Thus trying to guess seems to me a complete shot in the dark.

  12. Here's a thought.

     

    Does it matter? Let it go. Let people do what they want, with who they want, as long as no-one gets hurt (if they don't enjoy that). If it doesn't infringe on your relationships, why worry about it?

     

    Edit: Plus, it's not like homosexuality is purely a human thing. It's out there in the animal kingdom. Monkeys do it, dolphins do it, a whole heap of animals will  bugger each other senseless regardless of the "normal" procreative urge. So it is part of nature.

    This is more of a thought exercise if I'm not mistaken.

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     I see that people who write those hateful comments always refer to refugees in general. That includes women, children and family men, who actually respect our laws instead of committing crimes. But that generalization makes less smart people think that refugees in general are the problem. Drive them all out or kill them all, and we can be save again.

    The problem is, that our government isn't able to put our laws through. Punish the people who break those laws, and every innocent person can be happy. But that doesn't happen. Because our government, and there's the irony, is afraid to be called racist again, if they're too rough to the refugees and other immigrants. Rather let them get away with nearly everything, so other countries can't blame us for abusing foreingers. That's where the hate comes from. Yes, our government is very sensitive when it comes to dealing with immigrant criminals. It's always been like that. The problem has only worsened with all these refugees around. People are tired of that attitude. But instead of concentrating their hate on the culprit, the government, many turn against the refugees. Including the innocent ones. And that's what I don't like at all.

     

    Very reasonable sentiment. Sadly, I can only see all of this going in a very bad direction. How bad it will be depends on how long this gets stretched out. Solutions that come sooner will be more pleasant than those that come later.

  14. Normal people have a feminine respective masculine inner ideal of what they want to spend the rest of their lives with, lets call it the inner waifu. Homosexuals have never developed such and project themselves on their inner waifu. Ergo, they want to screw themselves instead of overcoming their complexes of their masculine and feminine traits. Transsexuals on the other hand, wish to become their inner waifu, meaning that their complexes stem from different kind of complex. Everyone in-between are just confused about themselves.

     

    I'm afraid your projecting yourself onto others. You're rationalizing how people like you (hetero-sexual) could desire to engage in 'different' kinds of sexual patterns without external material motivations. For some one who is implied (by others) to be a fascist from time-to-time you have an awfully egalitarian<-(not the correct use of the term, but best I could come up with) mindset regarding other people.

     

    EDIT: And yes, I do understand your basic thesis. See the beginning of this episode of Lloynd in Space; I believe it conveys the baseline for your waifu theory: https://youtu.be/jABsC4dFLbs Skip the intro to 1:00

  15.  But those people blamed refugees in general, like every refugee would steal our stuff and rape us. How would you feel, if someone called you a thief and, even worse, a rapist, just because of your origin? Even though you've never commited a crime before. How many more refugee asylums do you want to see burning because of hate speeches like that?

     

    It's reasonable to expect that people who've had a collective responsibility to embrace and care for a collective of people at their own collective expense will collectivize responsibility of the actions of members of the incoming collective of people. Such is the nature of collectivism. Collectivism is all-or-nothing; you can't be choosy when collectivism applies.

     

     

    How many more refugee asylums do you want to see burning because of hate speeches like that?

     

    I'm not an expert on Germany, but I'd be willing to bet $1,000,000 that the hate speech isn't the reason any asylums are burning. While it's possible you know something about this I don't; I strongly suspect you're concluding that the reaction to the problem is the cause of the problem.

     

     

     

    Want to stand up to her? Whenever she sais "We'll make it" ask her "How?" and don't let go until she has a plan. Blame her for the fact that all those convicted criminals aren't sent back to where they came from immediately, so we have more room for the people who are greatful to have a save place to raise their children. For that's what a wise leader would do. If people saw those criminals punished, they'd be more satisfied and wouldn't start to hate refugees in general.

     

    Interestingly enough; this is the better solution to the hate speech than the censorship. Solve the problem, and the hate will go away.

     

     

    Those people broke a law that exists because of our past.

    It seems you learned the wrong lesson. The common denominator for senseless state mass-murders is, government dominated discourse + hardship. Germany is actually somewhat recreating those conditions.

  16. There's been some shooting at the US embassy in Ankara as well, and now i hear about three people shot at an islamic center in Zurich, a raid is going on in Brussels, and someone drove a truck through a christmas market in Berlin, killing 9 wounding 50 and got away with it to boot. They got him.

     

    ...the **** is going on?

    I said that Europe needs more truck control. WHEN WILL THEY LEARN!!!???

  17. http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/europe/15-12-2016/136425-russia_eu_trump-0/

     

    Russia and EU to unite against Donald Trump?

     

    "The head of EU diplomacy Federica Mogherini said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal said that the EU and Russia could find common grounds on a number of international issues to join forces to counter future policies of the Donald Trump administration.

    Moghernini, speaking about the fate of the nuclear agreement with Iran under the new US president, noted that Washington's slightest derogation from those agreements would raise serious concerns in Moscow.

    "In a transactional manner...case by case, you will find issues where I wouldn't be surprised to see the Europeans and the Russians on the same side - Iran deal, Middle East peace process, possibly the role of the UN," Mogherini told The Wall Street Journal."

     

     

    :yes:

    They can try to stump Trump if they want, but we all know it can't be done. 

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    Yeah ok chief, but with regards to the problem in Volo's scenario - how is that not Congress' job to guard the electoral process from outside interference.

    Isn't this the CIA job?

    I thought that the CIA director would place his resignation letter alongside with the report. In any other Country there would be a sh*tstorm if the main intelligence agency issued a report that they let the foreign country to interfere in election.

    Imagine what Putin would do to the FIS director after such a fiasco.

     

    The CIA's main job is to suck and be a waste of money. The whole thing should be disbanded. 

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