[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

Big fan of objective XP, but always felt that should include finding things and optional encounters as objectives. Based on what you guys are saying, I can only hope it'll be in release, because it doesn't sound like it's in beta.

If we are lucky, it might eventually be in beta. At least I hope so

[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

Hmm. Well, if Obsidian either fails to improve the objective exp system or switches back to kill exp, I guess I'll just have to hope that Torment: Tides of Numenera will actually succeed in innovating combat/quest thing <_< I mean, aren't they attempt to do what they call "crisis" which are situations that can be solved in multiple ways, including combat, talking, skills/puzzles, etc? Perhaps it will do better job with no kill exp thing. Unless they decide to change one of most notable things about P&P game

[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

 

Which can be worked and balanced around..

 

Wait, which problems are you talking about? <_< I don't think they can be balanced since I'm talking about metagame stuff. Like, the instinct to go out of your way to kill all enemies, doing things like leveling up to get one more skill level to solve the quest/dungeon differently, etc, stuff that doesn't necessarily make rp wise sense.

[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

Crafting menu is really hard to check through though at the moment. Its really cluttered.

Plus I never liked crafting in any game <_< >_>

 

 

 

 

I suppose it would help a little bit if there was some actual useful use for hides and beetle shells besides selling them

I mean, otherwise they just fill your inventory or you threw them into stash and forget about them

 

Or at least if they had a rare loot drop that you'll be looking forward to whether you get it or not

 

So basically your looking for that incentive of progression but you just refuse to say xp.. Join the hive mind.. Your dancing around the obvious solution.. unless you want an MMO gambling system where beetles can drop Epics.. common man.. lol

This is an IE adapation.. stop trying to defend the removal of a core mechanic then justify a replacement when it ended up sucking.. Lol..

 

 

You are insulting my independent opinion

Besides, if you add enemy exp back, then it brings back the other problems I had with it

[Backer Beta Class Discussion]

Druids are pretty strong. Mainly because charm beasts is really useful with dealing, well, beasts. And lucky for us, spiders, wurms, lions, wolves, beetles... Lots of beasts to charm

[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

I suppose it would help a little bit if there was some actual useful use for hides and beetle shells besides selling them

I mean, otherwise they just fill your inventory or you threw them into stash and forget about them

 

Or at least if they had a rare loot drop that you'll be looking forward to whether you get it or not

[Cannot cancel level up]

And if you forget what type of weapon you had equipped and wanted to get skill for <_<

[The glove cursor pointer - thoughts?]

The normal glove cursor and "picking up item" glove cursor look almost the same so its little hard to notice the difference <_<

[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

 

To be fair some one switched the word "quest" with "objective" which while not an outright deception; does imply a different application than what we got.

 

Yeaaah, the objective isn't synonym with quest, so its kinda disappointing that it turned out to be just quest exp.

 

 

 

 

I really don't want to be right, I want this game to be great. I have such high hopes for Obs future in making these games. From reading everyone's comments on the bb, the consensus is that everyone liked everything except the gameplay and it's giving me that gut wrenching feeling. I know this is a beta and far from being finished, but I also feel that Obs took an unnecessary gamble with their "make or break it" game. They could have used the same formula as the IE games, used their own story and setting and once they had the "foundation" game out, they could have branched out in the direction they wanted.

 

I really hope it's just me and that I'm worrying for nothing.

 

I have the same feeling. Obsidian strayed a bit too far from the IE experience and may not find their way back. I really hope they fix this.

 

 

Eh, I don't think anyone has actually hated the gameplay. In my case the enjoyment is hampered by bugs mostly, which is understandable since beta was just released. I mean, I'm not expecting full release polish, so the fact that item icons and animations are simple don't bother me much at the moment, but... Yeah, I'd be more than little disappointed if it turns out that Baldur's Gate had much more portraits, animations, item icons, etc than this game would have at release. We will see how Obsidian will address beta feedback, I assume they will do something to improve the exp pacing if enough many people agree about it.

 

 

 

Character development, regardless of exploration and a certain player's order of things, needs to take place in much smaller xp increments, and as such, I feel pretty firmly now that quest xp is out of the question. It's all a matter of making a sensitive and fine-mesh objective/per encounter xp system. 

 

Still don't think we necessarily need exp per "enemy encounter", but we definitely need smaller drops of exp more often instead of huge drops of exp once in a while.

[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

Hmm, yeah, now that I finished crossing and village areas(and got to the dungeon in the lion area), while I still don't think kill exp is only way to fix this, I admit that they give exp too rarely.

I mean, you don't get exp for finding new location, you get new exp if you went to location which causes quest update <_< Thats... Kinda boring since it doesn't really reward exploration. Seems like they have designed exp so that each time you get more exp, you get enough to level up? Not sure really, but yeah, I think they should give exp more often that what they are currently doing, even if that means stuff like giving exp for talking to people =P Or maybe not, just finding new locations or secrets should be fine...*sigh* But yeah, no exp even for entering the dungeon whether you do it through skull keyhole or the tower... Why do they for some reason give exp for entering spider/ogre cave, but not for entering dungeon? Thats not even internally consistent

 

I don't know if this is because years of conditioning in rpgs to have love for the exp pop up/sound effect or what, but yeah, I still like the demo, but it does feel "off" a lot.

[First impressions thread!]

Almost completed the beta on easy, but since I play on trial of irons... Yeah, screwed up in second wilderness area <_<

 

Kinda funny how only two of three areas connect together and third is completely its own thing

[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

Hmm, yeah, enemy loot is pretty boring

 

On plus side for me, this means that if I have rogue capable of locking a door that let's me skip most of the dungeon, I can do that easily without problem. In all other IE games I'd have gone to kill all enemies anyway for sake of exp despite the fact I find certain types of enemies boring or just too much effort to kill all of them.

 

I mean, in case of this game, that dungeon with the cultists? None of cultists are hard to kill on easy at least, but now that I don't get exp for them I just realized that since they are boring opponents anyway that I can just skip the dungeon as much as I want

 

<_< And yes, I had occasionally problem with IE games where I was like "Argh, this dungeon is soooo huge, I don't want to search it completely to kill everyone!" but proceeded to do so anyway to get all exp and loot I never even used and just sold off if I could carry it all. I'm weird like that, I do like combat, but I don't like it when it feels like I'm doing spring cleaning in huge maze

[Perception, Resolve, and dump stats! Oh, my!]

Its always weird to notice that stats I have usually the highest are always the stats people declare to be dumb stats

[Bug: Skull key can't be used to unlock skull keyhole]

So the skull key you get at cavern from dead cultist, you can't actually use it to open dungeon entrance for some reason. It simply doesn't appear as option when examining the keyhole

 

Expected behavior: Using skull key to open dungeon entrance without lockpicking or pushing

[My BB wizard has no spells to use from start]

 

 

 

And my stupidity is watered down some... This explains why some of my BB characters didn't have weapons. So, restarting is the only way to go, I take it?

 

 

Yeah, thats what I do when that happens to me.

[My BB wizard has no spells to use from start]

Bug can cause equipment to disappear, so if wizard's grimoire disappeared... Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, he just became almost completely useless

[Bug: Hiring level 4 adventurer hires level 1 adventures and still uses the money]

Bug in title. Haven't tested if same happens with level 2 and 3 adventurers

Expected behavior: That level 4 adventurer is hired

[Experience Point Mechanics - Fighting Enemies]

 

You were surprised?

 

You've been voicing your desire for exactly that since before you got your hands on the beta.

 

 

I actually forgot to think about the "ONE more lock picking skill" thing

 

And yes, combat is complicated, I just meant that combat lacks that addicting factor without exp, if that makes sense.

 

But yeah, I don't mind the lack of combat exp and I do like how game forces me to play differently from the way I usually play these games due to it, my bigger problem is trying to understand why people don't understand my problem with lockpicking <_<

[Looting Priority]

This is why I said it'd be good if take all automatically adds items to stash if party is full <_< Instead, you have to click stash icon every time if you want to loot everything

 

 

 

Same. This confused me a lot. Not just looting, but speaking. If my Main has the high Perception and Lore, I want them doing the talking, not my Rogue.
Clarification please.

 

It doesn't matter who is doing speaking, all skill checks are from your main character.

[They really should make lockpicking automatic]

Because its fricking annoying to double click every time I want to open a door when I don't move my characters individually outside of combat.

It wouldn't be that bad if it required single click, but double clicking is really darn annoying

 

So either they should make it so that single click to portrait is enough or that when everyone is selected, the one who tries to open the door is the one with highest mechanism skill

 

Let's compare it to how Wasteland 2 does it: You can have whole party selected, but you can still have one character in party selected who does the action you tell party to do.

Heck, that'd be good alternative as well, allow me to pick one character in party to do lock picking without having to deselect whole party first

[First impressions thread!]

 I don't feel every encounter should require so much micromanaging; it's kind of mentally draining.

Agreed on micromanaging in general, which is why I'm annoyed that in the thread where I complained about it people are like "Noo, don't change it, this is all what rpgs are about"

 

<_< Its darn confusing, do they dislike modern games for not making you micromanage opening doors?

 

I'm fine with combat though, don't mind it that it requires you to think

[They really should make lockpicking automatic]

Its a game, not micromanagement simulator

Seriously, I didn't understand your reply, since when is having to double click every time you want to choose one character to do one small thing when all other time you move whole party fun?

[Attributes review]

Agreed about aumau and dwarfs, your suggestion is good

[Unlocking locked things]

Grappling hook is used in scripted interaction, same with hammer and I assume lockpick as well.

For example, use tab and go below, you see that chasm that is lighted with tab? You could have used grapping hook to get past the chasm instead of locking the door.

[Did Merchant Interaction Have To Be So Tiresome?]

I'm surprised that there aren't lot of people here saying "Its old school rpg, don't change it" "We like it this way" <_<

 

Anyway, yeah, seems like merchant inventory list is pretty much work in progress... Same with how a lot of item icons is just picture of bag even if they are equipment