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Would member states be able to leave this hypothetical United States of Europe? I ask because of what happened when some of our states tried to leave and all the mess with the Brexit. Though I doubt many in the UK would be willing to go to war over it
The thing is though that if parliment overturn the vote, it would be a public display by the elite/governing class that says democracy is done (what we have of it anyway). That should freak everyone out, whichever side they're on. And it doesn't seem to.
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So it's generally accepted that there is more of a sense of homogeneity and national pride in places like Dresden than in Frankfurt? And is there a correlation between there being low EU support in the former and higher in the latter?.
I just wonder what happens when the cases like this kid come up, (assuming it was in Germany) is there a political atmosphere of not expecting migrants to live by the same laws (initially or otherwise) because throwing the migrant in jail is seen as too harsh a sentence, and peaceful multiculturalism is the primary social and civil concern. I only ask because it's clear the EU wants a peaceful multicultural Europe above all else, and I would say if EU laws are filtering down into the courts and this is the result, countries like Austria may be seeing a rise in popularity for groups like PEGIDA and the AFD.
I will love to answer these questions, just clarify for me: where concretely where the migrants put above the law?
Ugh, work in finding sources. I didn't say above the law though - I got into this a while back in another thread and conceded that in Sweden it can't be proven that migrants are behind the high rape rates because of the law, it's interpretation of rape, info government keeps from public, and what is required for a conviction (namely that women needs to prove she fought back and didn't want to be raped; which was a problem for that woman tied down and gag raped - but hey, judge just ruled it out becasue she might have been into BDSM).
So the party currently in power, and the EU set the precedent for the laws in the country and the general direction that judges go - so don't you think that when they "don't protect their kids" to paraphrase President Putin from that earlier link, or this:
"A wheelchair-bound Swedish woman says she was gang-raped by five migrants who were then released days after their arrest, as the victim allegedly did not do enough to fight off her attackers, according to prosecutors."
Surely they are doing what they are so afraid of by driving the population towards those parties?.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/12/protest-migrants-gang-rape-woman-wheelchair/
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Yeah. Daily Mail..
So after all these posts on people accusing others of badly supporting facts with narratives personal, and narratives linked to those advertising the facts - I make a bad joke, and link to the first newspaper on google for the uninformed that details those facts - and you stick the middle finger up at my joke to discredit it becasue of the politics of the daily mail.I'm sure I laughed at you post more than you did at mine at least, so thanks for that. Watch out for those garden rakes.
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Are they talking about this:Probably need to get the haz mat suits out to protect them from STD's so they can drag them back to sex addiction rehab after they relapsed.
Screen-Shot-2016-10-28-at-11.25.05-PM.pngBombshell if true: http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/03/dc-attorney-fbi-agents-working-to-expose-top-doj-officials/
The guy claiming that NSA has all her emails makes me a bit suspicious though. In any case, if she's elected, she'll shut it all down, one way or another.
It all seems a bit open and shut to me. I was sitiing on this from a few days ago to ask Bruce if it was proven true, he would withdraw his support for HC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik
@BruceVC If HC wins you are free to gratuitous finger flipping in my direction and I won't be offended. But I respect democracy above all (what there is of it) and just see HC as the antithesis to democ...well, everything really.
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"The debates in the British parliament should be mandatory broadcasted to everyone for didactic purposes in wit and for rhetorical learning."
I hear from close sources that they all go to the local pub after to discuss whether the EU was right about the corrupting effect of eating bendy bannanas and how it has effected their potence as politicians in parliment. Once a week on a wednesday.
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Probably need to get the haz mat suits out to protect them from STD's so they can drag them back to sex addiction rehab after they relapsed.
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Yo maybe Clinton's health concerns are brain damage and she thought 'C' meant "Clinton" and that's it's her property to do whatever she wants with.
I mean we dunno man. She might just be special. And isn't that what America needs right now?? The first special ed woman president??
Yeah, if she wins and the world doesn't get nuked all over, and going by what certain other countries are doing in Europe - I wouldn't be suprised if the next presidential candidate her and Obama nominate is this guy: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
I mean, they'll probably be running out of protected groups to shame people into voting for at that point.
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They've overturned the vote in plenty of other countries as well (as discussed in the other thread), the question now is how badly does England get screwed over before the next general election, how long and badly will that screwing over last into the future, and will there be any party worth voting for by the time of the general election that can set up some trade deals and actually run the country.
It's not like they actually did anything important in parliment these past 40 years or so anyway.
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How did I shoot myself in the foot?
Because you make this argument (I think) that a logical person sees Alex Jones talking about human>animal splicing by reptillian overlords as just as ridiculous as CNN making an excuse for Hillary Clinton not knowing that 'C' meant classified. That we should see the facts of Alex Jones reporting that the president of Haiti accuses the Clinton foundation of attempting to bribe him, and defrauding the people of Haiti as just as valid as CNN reporting on the 'hot mic'of Trump saying he can grab a woman by the _____
So you make the case that people have lost the ability to present and acknowledge facts, that views are discredited that don't align with a persons narrative, that facts should be based on profession/life experience.
Then you pivot, and say that Hillary Clinton (is perfectly suited for the role) or just as bad as other presidents, and on her worse day/scandal is leagues above Trump???.
Do you work for the FBI? Have a way of sifting the facts that support that opinion from those that don't? The real wikileaks and emails that haven't been planted by the Russians?.
You seem to be so far to the left, that it doesn't occur to you that people may not see Trump as worse than any other candidate in lifetimes of voting - in fact, take that opinion to any migrants that have come to America from Haiti to vote and see what they think of it.
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@ Pidesco & Bruce: You guys came out with this well thought out, provoking, and balanced argument - and then proceed to shoot yourselves in the foor a page later.
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Yeah I got distracted by the SJW stuff, how about this one for Hillary Clinton the feminist:
"In order to prove that she can win, she bent the rules, went outside proper procedure, she violated court orders,,,we are unravelling everything she has said about this case, and most of it is a flat out lie...manipulated the system enough to argue that there wasn't enough physical evidence to convict...so between the prosecutor rolling over -also a liberal democrat- the judge co-operating and Hillary Clinton having inside help...he was sentenced to a year in jail ...it does not appear that he spent any time in jail".
And Hillary Clinton laughed about it all.
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You gotta love the hatemonger son the Demo/Hillary side. All their talk about Trump's supporters being evil and racist and violent: Look at this this. Watch out for some blood for you easily TRIGGERED SJW Nazis:
You missed this one:
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Dangerous territory...
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So it's generally accepted that there is more of a sense of homogeneity and national pride in places like Dresden than in Frankfurt? And is there a correlation between there being low EU support in the former and higher in the latter?.
I just wonder what happens when the cases like this kid come up, (assuming it was in Germany) is there a political atmosphere of not expecting migrants to live by the same laws (initially or otherwise) because throwing the migrant in jail is seen as too harsh a sentence, and peaceful multiculturalism is the primary social and civil concern. I only ask because it's clear the EU wants a peaceful multicultural Europe above all else, and I would say if EU laws are filtering down into the courts and this is the result, countries like Austria may be seeing a rise in popularity for groups like PEGIDA and the AFD.
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I'm serious... It's an important lesson Germany had to learn the hard way (and hasn't fully learned it seems... Look at PEGIDA)
Well groups like PEGIDA form (I think) where people see this disconnect between the extremism of situations, met with the extremism of government's political policies. I can't quote anyone on that, but this might be something else to consider about the EU - people see kids getting raped in swimming pools by migrants, and then the rapist gets set free because the court decided he didn't speak the language and the rapist didn't understand that the boy didn't want to be raped. So people are afrad that these systems of law and political culture will be consolidated by the select few, and rolled out across the future United States Of Europe, and start to see parties on the right as the answer.
I've heard that some Germans, Austrians, etc have this sense of guilt passed down from one generation to the next - is it really that widespread? And do you consider people that join PEGIDA to be ... on a path previously trod by others?.
I know that (name excapes me now) a politician in the EU from that area stated that nationalism leads to fascism, and Angela Merkel warned that various countries are sliding into dangerous levels of nationalism, and are generally terrified of the populace going towards the right.
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What's ironic about it is that paper ballots went away because of the hysteria Democrats raised over them after they failed to steal the election in Florida. The punch card ballot was the simplest, most reliable voting method I've ever seen.After the success with #DraftOurDaughters, the latest meme is "stop" Putin from hacking the voting machines by demanding paper balots.
I know some people freak out about InfoWars and Alex Jones, but they do interview prominent people (from retired NSA directors, to Party Leaders - Jill Stein on Hillary Clinton saying she will lead to WW3 - and retired CIA agents, etc) and I found this video interesting regarding fraud:
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Dogmatic thinking is very dangerous indeed....
Heh, I need to get the hang of that German sense of humour.
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After the success with #DraftOurDaughters, the latest meme is "stop" Putin from hacking the voting machines by demanding paper balots.
Russia got the hackers in there as well now?. I guess the voting machines are like sections on a Monopoly board between Soros and Putin.
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I meant that in a light hearted way, directed at the violent SJW types. It's all pretty new and terrifying to me.
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I thought majority of voters already voted, so, who cares?
You think it would just be conspiracy level stuff if proven and irrelevant if proven (either way) after the election?.
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Hope something gets brought up about the George Soros link and the apparent vote flipping through the voting machines he owns, and the project veritas videos. Apparently a 100,000 vote petition has been signed that requires it be looked into.
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Tell me chippy, have you ever read a good book on Nazi Germany? Not an accusation, I just want to know how in depth we can go.
I'd prefer not to - I had to study years ago various psychologists through history and attempt to relate that to the concept of changing behaviour - and Nazi Germany played a large role. But if I was any good at using that knowledge in effecting decision making domains, I'd be able to convince yourself about the negatives of the EU, and Bruce about Hillary Clinton
I just come here to poke people with a stick, after finding out a while back that there are groups that consider me the enemy (without even knowing who I am, or what I've done with my life) and try to work out why.
As a plumbers mate to my father, we worked with people ranging from arabian princesses to soho retired prostitutes and politicians. But I always remember the community of senior Jewish citizen holocaust survivors we worked for over the years, and the stories they would tell me. I didn't have enough life experience to fully grasp it then, and I'll probably see things different again in ten years, but many of them were let down by the government in both health and finally death.
So yeah, a bit too depressing for me thanks - it's bad enough thinking about the proposed EU army, and Hillary Clintons warning about the RUSSIANS
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That's cool, so long as people can see/access it.
And people need to hear Etta James.
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The Clinton foundation did alright by the people of Haiti though didn't they?.
So after all these posts on people accusing others of badly supporting facts with narratives personal, and narratives linked to those advertising the facts - I make a bad joke, and link to the first newspaper on google for the uninformed that details those facts - and you stick the middle finger up at my joke to discredit it becasue of the politics of the daily mail.
(cause we all know that they're like...)
Theresa May, Brexit and the like
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Hey Bruce - if you're that bad I take back everything I said in the election thread. And I'll be sticking the middle finger up at you virtually when Trump wins.