DarkLord RuKen

Can someone from Obsidian please tell me who you are trying to market this game for? I can't figure it out. It seems like it's being designed for the "softcore" rpg player?

Dear Obsidian, Our language has several expressions that are so universal that everyone has heard it time and time again, such as: "Do unto other as you wish done unto you", or "Don't piss in the wind", but this one goes directly to you "If it isn't broke, DON"T FIX IT". Why you would set up your multiplayer experience the way you have is appalling. I can't see in my mind why you would do this knowing it will make you lose sales. You would have to know this decision would be limiting the already niche market. And your answer to this is "It's a story driven ARPG". Seriously? That's like saying you would rather watch a "story driven porno". Mixing Hack-n-Slash with story is much like mixing water and oil. I personally came here because I want a sequel to Champions of Norrath and I was hoping this would be a good substitute for that. While this game has some similarities to that, it is not that game. Even so, looking past that desire, and looking at this game for just exactly what it is and not comparing it to any other games made. Your multiplayer is set up terribly. The story to this COULD be epic, I don't know yet. I can guarantee though, that after the first or second play through, it will become tiresome. You have it set up so that we will have multiple copies of the same characters spread out over so many multiplayer games that your story will be nothing because it will become a nuisance. NOONE playing multiplayer is getting on the multiplayer to go through the story. They are playing multiplayer to SLAY **** OVER AND OVER with their friends. "Hey bro, it's been so awesome chopping goblin heads all day, but why don't we put down the swords and magic spells and listen to what Magistrate Donnie has to say about his budding affection towards Elizabeth the 3rd and how they snuck out their windows at night to shag in the horsebarns, but were caught by Squire Fenis who told Elizabeths father the Patron of Neggile and how it started a conflict between the two families and now the Saint Tingals family will have more position in the Congress of Willows to make advances in the ongoing feud of Resonaet... " You see that? Do you see how a story ****ed up the fun 2 guys were having killing some goblins? That's what you are trying to do to me.

I feel like its going to be a renter for sure. The multiplayer doesn't look like its going to be fulfilling to me. I am really not looking forward to having to play multiple versions of characters running through the same story over and over because I am not allowed to have a static character.

Is there anyway to filter out C2B's posts? Like a /ignore command or something? I can only find PM blocks. I would just rather not be able to see anything he writes.

I am 100% on it. I actually pleaded in a forum a couple months ago for them to delay it and fix the co-op. Maybe they actually read this boards ) Please don't feel so entitled. If the reason for the delay IS the co-op we'll see. But even then. Don't act like it was because of you. Dude seriously, take a second... breath deep... Every time I post anything on this forum you troll on it so hard. I was just saying that I had at one time wished they would make changes to co-op, and now they are. I'm happy. I never once stated that it was because of me, or any of it was my doing.

Sure, but it definitely doesn't make it any more likely. THe destructoid article has nothing to do about the delay unless other information suggests so. Anyway, I'm fine with delay, anything to make the game better. I am 100% on it. I actually pleaded in a forum a couple months ago for them to delay it and fix the co-op. Maybe they actually read this boards )

Just because the article is a little over a month old doesn't make it any less possible that it could be the reason for the delay.

No, actually. If Borderlands taught anything is that 4 times the same charachter isn't always that good an idea. Yeah and not being able to find a multiplayer game is going to be better.

Good news that they finally realized that the co-op was a terrible idea, but now the fix is still not what we want. Obsidian has a giant boner for the story they wrote and won't let us have created characters. At the very least we need to be able to play 2 versions or more of the same character in multiplayer. There will be so many issues where there will be too many people wanting to play character (x) but can't get in a game because there not enough people playing character (y). Single player and couch co-op is the place for story line, but in multiplayer it shouldn't matter. Everyone can run single player at their own pace and go through the story however they want, but let us just get to the "gameplay" in multiplayer.

You've described about any WRPG that came out in the last.. what.. 15 years? Yes. I think we just figured it out. This game is an RPG. Just like all those ones we have been playing for years. You can compare them all. They are all share this thing we like to call a "genre". Yet Fable doesn't focus on its combat. DS3 does. There are literary hunderds of action-rpgs/hack n' slashs that are closer and related to DS3. And I still don't get the connection. How did it reinforce your argument? What I said was this. I have a feeling that this game will be like Fable in the sense that it will be awesome, and yet at the same time let me down because it could have been so much more. "Fable received positive reception by critics." "Though pointing out several flaws in the game such as bland character designs" "The short length of the main plot was criticised by reviewers" I feel there will be similar things said about this game. You will beat it in 15-20 hours, and wish there was more to it. In making the game that short you will either upset the people who were really wanting the story to be more indepth, or upset the people who wanted a balls out hack-n-slash because there was to much story in it. Unless they add some awesome endgame content past the ending of the story line we are all going to beat it and say "that was it?"

You've described about any WRPG that came out in the last.. what.. 15 years? Yes. I think we just figured it out. This game is an RPG. Just like all those ones we have been playing for years. You can compare them all. They are all share this thing we like to call a "genre".

If you brought up similiar games like Gauntlet or Dark Alliance. Ok. But where is the connection between Fable and DS3? And specifically. Where is the connection between these two and your argument. Oh I don't know how about the fact that they are both story oriented RPG's where your actions affect the outcome of the game? They both have about the same play time. They both have some sort of alignment. In both games you talk to people get quests and get rewards for doing it. Sure, the fighting aspect of the game is more like Champions of Norrath mixed with Demon's Souls, but there is definite comparison to Fable.

From what it seems to me is this: Obsidian is not Gas Powered Games. Don't expect anything to be how it was. Obsidian has released several games from which only one wasn't moddable. It is not unresonable to assume that this will be moddable too. Since its their own engine now. I'm pretty sure there will still be something coming. Also please people stop with Fable comparisons. Why would we not compare it to previous games of the same genre? Is it unreasonable to bring up flaws in games that we don't want in this game, just as it is important to bring up the things in other games we do like? Using comparisons gives your argument more credibility. If I say I don't like something, and then give a reason why. Then my argument is more credible.

From what it seems to me is this: Obsidian is not Gas Powered Games. Don't expect anything to be how it was. My gut feeling is I will love this game, and hate it. Just like the first time I played Fable. It was amazing, just it could have been so much more.

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