Cooperblack

I fear that a sequel to Torment would be like Godfather III - An idea that leaves you feel all warm inside until you realize that the warm feeling is nothing but nostalgia.

In the danger of further derailing this thread; I don't consider it wrong at all. Not that it matters whether you started the tread or not, that you took care and time enough to register to the site specifically to post that you didn't care about the game is in itself ironic. It was just a casual remark which I apparently deserve to burn in effigy for. I have every game Obsidian have made, I have every game with the Black Ilse label on it, is it that strange that i took a look at Obsidian's newest release and voiced my opinion as to why i am apprehensive about it, And honestly registration takes 30 sec ..it's not even a chore. In all honesty i think AP have to be the second coming of sliced bread before it gets noticed.

Your feat example is in fact, an example of a rather tame bug. I'm not wanting to defend Obsidian here because I agree they need to improve on this, and we should be setting our sights high... but it wasn't a case of Obsidian being markedly inferior to other RPGs in terms of bugs. Morrowind? Oh dear God, so many people could not play it for weeks after launch. Bethesda got better and FO3 was a remarkably stable game for its size, though. Play Gothic 3 and you will understand the meaning of 'playable'. It froze every 60 seconds, took longer to save & load than for you to drink a cuppa, etc. All Troika Games, obviously, need a mention. Bio's become pretty good with this with Jade Empire and Mass Effect, so that people have forgotten about the aberration that was NWN1 (as bad as 2, really.) I don't think Obsidian has a fatal reputation for being buggy, but it is certainly seen as below the standard on that area. I could have choose a whole host of other bugs, But i chose the missing Feats because i feel this bug mostly describes the state NWN2 is in. Imagine that - making NPC characters, Design them, Discuss them with your coworkers ..and then "forget" to give them the right Feats, i Mean in NWN2 you could just as well forget to give them arms or legs, Espeassialy since it is so unbeliverble easy to assign Feats.

Hey, you obviously cared enough about Alpha Protocol to register on the site...ironically to tell us that you don't care. I don't think that was what he meant at all. If you're going to zing somebody, at least do it right. Cooper's point is a valid one. I rabidly enjoyed KOTOR2 and NWN2, but the rest of the world did not share my enthusiasm. They also had the momentum of already-popular franchises going for them, whereas AP has to generate its own popularity. Heh, I zinged him just right. No matter what he meant, he did register on the boards in order to post that nobody cares about the game. I call that pretty ironic. As for the actual merit of his post; I redirect you my post and its second part you neglected to quote: "...I do share your concerns about Obsidian's trackrecord with premature...releases". So we are all basically in agreement. If you gonna zing me, do it right. On the subject of bugs; they might want to take a look at their (UK) official site. Clicking Media generates randomly placed photographs often blocking the links on the side. In addition, Gameplay #1 trailer in the video section is apparently bugged too. The picture freezes between 1:19 and 1:47. At least for me (Vista 32bit+firefox). Ok, ok! To be fair SEGA is responsible for the that site, but a bug is a bug and it doesn't reflect well on the upcoming game. Except you forgot one little detail, I did not make this topic, I made a visit to this forum and found a topic i felt a inclination to voice my opinion about.. but as i can understand you consider this wrong... ehh why is that?

KoToR 2 wasn't really buggy, it just had a lot of content cut. NWN 2 had bugs problems, but I think OBS got most of the content they wanted in, the main problem with NWN 2 was performance. Hmm have you seen the bug list for NWN2 here two and a half years After it's release? No wait let me give a simple example - The latest expansion (storm of zehir) was released with NPC's not even having the Feats they should (something i could do in 5 minutes using NWN2's own Toolset) - like i said , There bugs and then there is BUGS. It all comes down to if i have the confidence in Obsidian to deliver something i would find playable, And as it is i have no confidence in that sadly.

Hey, you obviously cared enough about Alpha Protocol to register on the site...ironically to tell us that you don't care. I don't think that was what he meant at all. If you're going to zing somebody, at least do it right. Cooper's point is a valid one. I rabidly enjoyed KOTOR2 and NWN2, but the rest of the world did not share my enthusiasm. They also had the momentum of already-popular franchises going for them, whereas AP has to generate its own popularity. You are quite correct. I also played Kotor 2 and NWN2 until the skin of my fingers fell off, This is primary because i Liked Kotor and Love D&D, This also made me overlook the tons of bugs in the two games combined. BUT with AP i am vary , I simply do not believe Obsidian will produce something i will consider playable, I'm not saying a game should be bug free at launch, I have no illusions like that, But there bugs and then there BUGS, The first are a minor inconvenience the latter ruins the game, I simply have no reason to believe that this game will also be full of the latter. Until i get some very positive feedback AP is simply not that interesting to me, And i would wager I'm not the only one feeling like this. But all that said and done i truly hope i am wrong...

Honestly i think nobody cares about AP because Obsidian have got a reputation for making buggy and unfinished games..it is as simple as that sadly.