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Learn some context. #35 out of thousands of games (over 15k as of January last year) is a pretty good point two-three weeks after release, as is the fact that it has yet to drop out of the top 100 games played on Steam. We're talking about an isometric cRPG with RTWP combat, a niche game ever since its inception. We're also discussing whether the game is a success not even a month after release. To quote a certain captain, context is for kings. And getting your **** together before you start proclaiming something a failure is too. learn some business sense 35 aint good mate Still trying to pretend that you're not trolling? Really? hey man like i said i like the game and i hope it hasnt flopped but it looks like it has. You can troll me for trolling all you want

Learn some context. #35 out of thousands of games (over 15k as of January last year) is a pretty good point two-three weeks after release, as is the fact that it has yet to drop out of the top 100 games played on Steam. We're talking about an isometric cRPG with RTWP combat, a niche game ever since its inception. We're also discussing whether the game is a success not even a month after release. To quote a certain captain, context is for kings. And getting your **** together before you start proclaiming something a failure is too. learn some business sense 35 aint good mate

Then say "Steam top sellers list" and not "Steam Charts", since Steam Charts is a website that uses the same data mining technique that Steam Spy uses. Okay so Deadfire currently sits at 71 on the top sellers list. What does this tell us? How is this list compiled, in particular: over what period of time are sales counted over? Number 3 on that list is (as of me posting this) Just Cause 3 XL, a game from 2015 that is currently 85% off. The fact that this is placed so highly, together with the fact Deadfire jumps up and down so dramatically, strongly suggests the time scale for the list is short (past 24 hours?). If so the list doesn't say very much. In a few months time the first DLC for Deadfire will be released and Deadfire might go on a small sale (10% say) to promote it. If that happens and Deadfire jumps up to, say, 3rd place on the list would that suddenly make it a roaring success? Again we don't have any useful information on Deadfire sales, though I can safely say terms like "flop" don't apply (hint: not everything has to be either a break out best seller or a flop, there is space in between). Ill say whatever i want fanboy ive been following it on the steam charts ever scince it got released. It has constantly been not high in the charts, I have also been watching DOS2 on the charts, it has allways been very high on the charts fanboy

No but i have been watching the steam charts. The reason i have been watching the charts is becasuse i love BG2 style games and i was hoping that deadfire would do really well so they can make more of them. It clearly isnt selling well. Very clearly not selling well. That's not very clear at all. It's certainly possible that it's not selling well, but you don't have enough information either way. Assuming it's accurate, the steam chart is a datapoint. One point of data isn't enough to estimate profit. no but its pretty big indication Steam is the biggest gaming platform in the world, The majority of there sales will come from steam

How is saying the game is number 35 on steam a false assumption with no evidence? Dont you have steam ? Go have a look for youself. Number 35 is clearly not an ideal situation to be in . And all i said is the game is currently trending to not sell well which is pretty clear from the evidence. wish some people would take there fanboy hat off and look at the facts sometimes....jeeesus christ You also said that Deadfire has "flopped", that "three expansions are not expansions they are the game split up into 4 parts", and are implying that possibly the entire RTwP market will collapse because of this one game. A *series* of false assumptions, as I noted. I gave my clear explanation on why i think the expansions are not real expansions and the steam charts reflect the truth in my statement. why isnt deadfire selling then? why dont you chime in with some constuctive input instead and get your head out of the sand Glad you dont work at obsidian . People need to learn from criticism look at where they went wrong and not do it again in the future. Criticism needs to be constructive. Nothing you've said here is constructive, it's just you bitching about stuff that has no real meaning. You don't know how much money Deadfire is making; all you know is it's position in the Steam sales--which doesn't reflect all sales and doesn't tell you anything about how much money it's making. You're "evidence" for the expansions not being real expansions boils down to "Well they weren't released all at once", which is a meaningless statement that doesn't provide any evidence for the baseless assertion that they were cut-up and being released separately to increase profit. Literally nothing that you've said is evidence of anything, at all, in any way. It's just you looking at stuff and making assumptions based on half-assed knowledge and pre-determined thoughts. And then pretending like it's some kind of deep, constructive, important criticism that Obsidian needs to take note of to save their business. I'm quite sure Feargus has all the actual data he needs to make these calls, and you're biased uninformed forum post doesn't help him at all. wow i got a headache trying to read that

As far as I understand it the Steam charts are not run by Steam and aren't particularly reliable since Steam changed the default privacy settings. Unless you've specifically set your privacy settings otherwise (I know I haven't), Steam charts cannot include your data in its charts. In particular this change happened fairly recently (11th April of this year), so comparing to games that were released significantly before that (for example PoE) isn't valid. We don't know whether or not it is since, as a result of the aforementioned change in Steam's privacy settings, we don't have accurate data. Only Steam, Obsidian and Versus Evil have accurate numbers on Deadfire sales. And no doubt Obsidian are looking at the sales data for Deadfire (whatever it might be) and making decisions about the future accordingly. your talking about steamspy. Im talking about the steam top seller list two different things I am aware steamspy isnt working

No but i have been watching the steam charts. The reason i have been watching the charts is becasuse i love BG2 style games and i was hoping that deadfire would do really well so they can make more of them. It clearly isnt selling well. Very clearly not selling well. But is it going to make so little money that it won't recoup the money Obsidian spent to make it? Do you have any way of proving or disproving that assertion? Do you have sales charts, profit graphs, cost/benefit analysis? Or are you just making assumptions? yeah man number 35 on the charts is my evidence im sick of saying it. where is your evidence? number 35 on the charts suggests the game is trending to not sell well, are you deaf?

How is saying the game is number 35 on steam a false assumption with no evidence? Dont you have steam ? Go have a look for youself. Number 35 is clearly not an ideal situation to be in . And all i said is the game is currently trending to not sell well which is pretty clear from the evidence. wish some people would take there fanboy hat off and look at the facts sometimes....jeeesus christ You also said that Deadfire has "flopped", that "three expansions are not expansions they are the game split up into 4 parts", and are implying that possibly the entire RTwP market will collapse because of this one game. A *series* of false assumptions, as I noted. I gave my clear explanation on why i think the expansions are not real expansions and the steam charts reflect the truth in my statement. why isnt deadfire selling then? why dont you chime in with some constuctive input instead and get your head out of the sand Glad you dont work at obsidian . People need to learn from criticism look at where they went wrong and not do it again in the future.

No but i have been watching the steam charts. The reason i have been watching the charts is becasuse i love BG2 style games and i was hoping that deadfire would do really well so they can make more of them. It clearly isnt selling well. Very clearly not selling well.

yeah you make a really good point here. They should have just left pillars alone and not introduced multi-classing, the boats and the new mechanics and just concentrated on making a bigger better game with a more immersive narrative

Which is why I think they just need to jettison d20 mechanics and cliches entirely and just make the game they clearly want to make. And then actually do some goddamned ****ing QA for once in their lives. After Deadfire I absolutely cannot recommend Obsidian games to anyone before they've been out for at least 3-6 months. ****ing Bugsidian... what are you talking about?, Deadfire hasnt been released yet its still in BETA

How is saying the game is number 35 on steam a false assumption with no evidence? Dont you have steam ? Go have a look for youself. Number 35 is clearly not an ideal situation to be in . And all i said is the game is currently trending to not sell well which is pretty clear from the evidence. wish some people would take there fanboy hat off and look at the facts sometimes....jeeesus christ

what have they done wrong? I dont think the indusrty is sick of CRGS look at divinity OS2 I honestly think they screwed up bad with Tyranny as i said in my OP and these so called "expansions" I would love to hear other poeples opinions

Im not trying to bash obsidian Im being a realist. If anyone who is an obsidian fanboy is reading this im not trying to offend you im just being real

ahh BG2 sold 4 million copies from memory when it released. Plus theres the enhanced editions and what copies have sold over the last 15 years. Pobably well over 5 million

how is it a troll post? Are steam charts run by trolls?

Maybe a little bit to early to call and i really really really really hope im wrong. No I REALLY REALLY hope im wrong But as of writing this Deadfire is number 35 steam top sellers. A few days ago it was well out of the top 50. Games that do well allways sell alot of copies when they are first released. This window of opportunity is rapidly closing. All the indicators are currently trending towards Deadfire possibly being a disaster. What does this mean for lovers of the old Ifinity engine games like BG2. Is this the end???????? Or has this only happend because of bad management decisions within obsidian, eg They could have devoted the resources from Tyranny to making Deadfire bigger, better and less buggier instead of making another tiny game that flopped harder then Deadfire And lets face it the three expansions are not expansions they are the game split up into 4 parts and being released over 6 months for extra cost. If they where proper expansions they would have been released after Deadfire was successful in one big part about 1 year later. Obsidian have been working on these "expansions" concurrently with Deadfire before it was even released. I personaly cant see this niche in the industry recovering from this.

It is currently as or writing this No. 35 on steam. It has actually gone up over the last few days. It was way out of the top 50 a few days ago. Dont get me wrong i love the game but i honestly cant see crpgs (with real time pause) recovering from this. I also think Obsidian made alot of really really bad decisions. For example instead of making tyranny they should have devoted those resources to making deadfire bigger and better and less buggier. Also come on lets face it the three expansions planned arent really expansions they are just the game split up into small bits and getting released in stages over 6 months.

I heard the budget was $14,000,000 They used 4 mil funding plus 10 mil of there own money I also heard 500,000 copies was the break even price

""As you have probably guessed, Deadfire is a huge game—significantly larger than the original Pillars of Eternity." Obsidian Studios in a backer email. The results of this poll says otherwise. I definitely didnt get the feel it was significantly bigger when i played it. I reckon its about the same size. There are also hundreds of user/ critic reviews all over the internet suggesting the same, in fact worse then this alot of people are saying its shorter. Thats why i put this poll up to see what the players think. I looked at the poll results and you voted for bigger and IMO you have been out voted ....the majority of people in this poll have voted that it is bigger than PoE 1 base, but not bigger than PoE1+WM. Regardless, I didn't post that to make a statement about the size of the game, but rather to point out that Josh Sawyers statement about the size was an early statement which was not continued later. In one of the backer videos, Sawyer specifically says that the game grew larger than expected over the path of development. That's my point; not a statement about the size of the game, but a correction to the inaccurate idea that "same size as PoE 1 base" was anything other than an early statement that was altered in later press releases. As you have probably guessed, Deadfire is a huge game—significantly larger than the original Pillars of Eternity." Obsidian Studios in a backer email. This is the quote you reffered to above. when he said this he should of said not including the white march because it is very misleading. There is that and the game is clearly not huge as he said there as well. and the second most polling reults on this poll are suggesting the game is smaller then POE1 base. I view these poll results as Deadfire being about the same size as POE1 without the expanions. It is clear that it is not "signficantly bigger" as he aslo quoted there

any official sales number yet?

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The narrative and story is 100% the worst part of the game IMHO and what dragged it down. It is no where near immersive. this is why deadfire has stopped selling and is looking like flopping

""As you have probably guessed, Deadfire is a huge game—significantly larger than the original Pillars of Eternity." Obsidian Studios in a backer email. The results of this poll says otherwise. I definitely didnt get the feel it was significantly bigger when i played it. I reckon its about the same size. There are also hundreds of user/ critic reviews all over the internet suggesting the same, in fact worse then this alot of people are saying its shorter. Thats why i put this poll up to see what the players think. I looked at the poll results and you voted for bigger and IMO you have been out voted