Syurtpiutha
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1 hour ago, xzar_monty said:
When it comes to these disposition, "clever" is probably the most ambiguous from a purely linguistic and cultural point of view. Thus, it is a slightly unfortunate one-word description. After all, one of the dictionary definitions of clever is "intelligent", which is a world away from your "sarcastic jokester", another perfectly valid meaning. All the others are either completely straightforward or, at the very least, straightforward enough.
Of course, one could argue that making "clever" one of the dispositions was a clever move...
Fair, clever is the most ambiguous one. I saw it in contrast to rational, basically the difference between logic (rational) and rethoric (clever): Whether you actually want the other to understand or are just trying to score points in an argument. But this may very well be me reading too much into it.
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9 hours ago, thelee said:
that's a fair observation. i think in that sense giftbearers are probably the best representation of her "church" per se, which does seem to be a bit more [shady, benevolent]+ which is an odd combination.
it does raise the issue of what happens when there are multiple churches/aspects/observations, though... you'd think gaun should have different dispositions that eothas because of that. (though in terms of in-game mechanics, xoti doesn't have any dispositions.)
According to this thread Gaun had the same dispositions as a priest of Berath (post by Kilay):
Don't know what that was based on (spiritual weapon, maybe?) and how legit it is or if it's based on a mod. But yeah, different aspects of the gods muddy the water a bit.
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8 minutes ago, thelee said:
no way ondra is benevolent, she keeps lies if it benefits her and she literally committed a crime against humanity. i'd say she's more calculating and serious: +[rational, shady], -[honest, clever]. i mean, when in any dialogue with her does she crack a joke or enjoy one of yours?
as for galawain, not being actively benevolent is not the same thing as hating benevolence. the guy thinks survival of the fittest is the best way to improve everyone, and in poe1 he's part of the faction that wants you to give the souls to the benefit of the kith (also an option in SSS). he's also not cruel, in the sense that nature isn't cruel, it's just uncaring. i'd also say he's not that clever or fun-loving. i'd say +[aggressive, passionate] and -[diplomatic, stoic]
Fair points, but in regards to Ondra (and all of them) I'm more interested in what she expects from her priests as opposed to her own alignment. All of the gods are kinda jackasses in different ways. I mean, Eothas acts out of his own sense of right and wrong but his path through the Deadfire can easily be seen as a crime against humanity. And he kept quiet about the secret of the gods for a very long time.
I do kinda wish the devs had defined more clearly what they meant with every disposition. Clever isn't just being a sarcastic jokester, there's also instances where it seems to involve cunning and making sure you get rewarded for your services (recognizing a suolenet, plenty of VLC-remarks). Shrewd vs Rational, if you will.
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That's one of the things I always liked about the St. Elcga order. Striving to be diplomatic and honest.
I know too many people who believe those traits to be inherently at odds.
You know the type: 'I am not rude, I'm just telling it how it is! You're rude!'
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So the ones we know are:
Eothas: Benevolent, Honest = Good. Cruel, Deceptive = BadMagran: Aggressive, Clever = Good. Diplomatic, Passionate, Bad.
Wael: Deceptive, Clever = Good. Rational, Honest = Bad
Berath: Stoic, Rational = Good. Passionate, Cruel = Bad
Skaen: Cruel, Deceptive = Good. Aggressive, Benevolent = Bad.
Woedica: Cruel, Rational = Good. Diplomaric, Benevolent = Bad.
From gamefiles apparently:Rymrgand: Honest, Rational = Good. Diplomatic, Benevolent = Bad
Gaun, same as Berath. Interesting if you count that as a separate entity.
So that leaves the rest. I mean, my thought are:
Ondra: + Benevolent + Deceptive. - Cruel - Honest. She's a trickster goddess, and her Giftbearers do genuinely seem to want to help people get over their loss. The ones that aren't robbers anyway.
Abydon: + Stoic + Honest. - Clever - Deceptive. Honest Labor and no imagination. Maybe a different disposition before becoming the Golem.
Hylea: +Benevolent +Passionate. -Cruel - Stoic 'Live every note of life's song'.
Galawain: + Clever +Passionate. -Cruel -Benevolent. Clever is a given, it's one of his titles. Cruelty and benevolence seem outside of his 'survival of the fittest'-ethic. I'm on the fence about passionate, but it seems in line with the whole 'the hunt' being great. Mind, I haven't played Seeker, Slayer, Survivor yet so who knows if that will change anything.
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OK I've had problems with two bugs that I didn't have before.
Problem 1:
Currently, Xoti is stuck abandoning casting 'Escape'. An ability she does not have. I've also seen my protagonist trying to cast escape. Again, something she does not have. Nor is escape anywhere in their AI scripts. What the Hell.
Problem 2:
When I'm on the world map, the sound is choppy. The audio interupts regularly and the sound quality is off. This also applies to conversations with the gods that are instigated while sailing. It's only on the world map. I tried turning off every single performance option I could, but to no avail. And again, it's only on the world map. All the other sound is fine.
Has anyone had similar problems?
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Do Godlike taste like the regular members of their specific kith race, or does being a Godlike spoil - or perhaps enhance - the meat?
These are the questions that prevent me from getting a full rest and recovering all of my spell slots.
Meanwhile, your avatar will probably stop me from getting the full rest. Yeegh.
I'm pretty sure The godlikes taste as follow:
Fire Godlike: Well done, extra crispy.
Nature Godlike: veggieburger with extra shrooms
Death Godlike: Stale
Moon Godlike: Moon... Moon... MOOOOOOON! Moonmoon. Yeah I got nothing. Pixie-stix?
Marine Godlike: Seafood.
Avian Godlike: Chicken.
Scratch that, they all taste like chicken, probably.
I really liked the fact that the fire giants at Ashen Maw treated me like an estranged cousin on my Fire Godike run. I wish there were more playable godikes, I'd love to play one from Rymrgand or Skaen.
Agreed, though from the short bits that I played as a godlike I was kinda disappointed with reactions from people in the first game. I figured the conversation about godlike with Pallegina at least would be kinda different (just like I expected more from conversations with Edér as an Eothas priest). But I'd also like more playable paladin orders or priesthoods, mostly so I can finally know what their favored/disfavored reputations are. But that is a different topic.
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Beyond the obvious: Magran=Fire, Ondra=Marine and Moon, Galawain=Nature, Hylea=Avian and Berath=death, we do have some hints at the other gods.
Here is some incredibly early concept art for PoE 1. The godlike on the left doesn't really map to anything- the middle is clearly fire, the one on the right could be an early attempt at Marine godlike... but I'm going to guess that if Eothas has godlike, they look like the one on the left.
I believe the Pillars of Eternity 2 guidebook mentions Skaen and Rymyrgand godlike: the Skaen Godlike, as others have said, resembles the effigy with black gems for eyes, no nose or lips and scarred or rotted skin. Rymyrgand's godlike, at least those born to Huana, are said to be unusually short (IIRC the godlike in question, a Saint whose name escapes me, was only 4 feet tall compared to the 8+ feet aumaua), hunched and albino, who caused things to die in their presence. I'd honestly rather they have more cold or ice powers associated with them, but maybe there's separate "ice godlike" just as there are both moon and marine godlike.
That leaves Woedica, Abydon and Wael out. Abydon's probably the easiest to figure out; his godlike would look like cyborgs, or perhaps D&D Warforged. Wael could go a few ways; they could have two giant eyes, one giant eye like a cyclops, eyes all over their bodies in odd places, or maybe they would just be weird creepy shapeshifters whose bodies were always changing. I could see trans, genderqueer or nonbinary godlikes of wael being very common: a man one day, a woman the next, maybe something in between the day after. Woedica is the hardest for me to figure out, because all of her portfolio has to do with immaterial concepts relating to governance, politics and interpersonal relationships. It's much easier to have a guy's head be on fire than to have a guy's head be a physical manifestation of law. I do like others' suggestions of crown-like growths being on a godlike's head, maybe burned skin, but I could also see them as having skin like paper with laws written on it.
Thanks, that was very informative.
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Moon Godlike is Ondra's. If you play one you are called Ngati's child. Just like Tekehu. It seems Godlike can show various aspects of divine portfolio. It would be cool if Moon Godlike were one of Eothas aspects (there is some interesting theory about it in Deadfire).
I thought Nature Godlike could be blessed by Eothas as he had some ties with nature by spring and agriculture themes. But yeah, Nature Godlike are definitively Galawain's as he is a patron of the beasts and wild life.
Death Godlike is really strange. It is stated they are Berath's children but they have some characteristics for Rymrgand's domains like bad luck and disasters. They are also very bony and fleshy (decay domain?).
Fire Godlike: Magran. Although some people connected them with Eothas as fire is also his element (the sun).
My thoughts for another types:
Skaen and Woedica can look similar as both have deformed faces. A lot of scars and burns.
Abydon: I see them as metal-like creatures. Probably similar to the Eyeless.
Rymrgand: Ice and white skin. Some aurochs' features.
Wael: No eyes. Maybe some kind of androgyny.
Hylea: Birdlike with colorful feathers. Maybe some of them are more animal-like than human.
Eothas: Their skin covered with light and sparks like ethereal beings. Headshapes similar to the sun rays. Spring variant similar to Nature Godlike.
Moon godlike are Ondra's. NPC react to you both in White March and in Deadfire saying that you are lucky to have been touched by the Lady of Lament/Ngati.
Death godlike are also definetely Berath's, it's openly stated in both games on multiple occasions. For example, fampyrs in Russetwood fall on their knees and ask a permission to worship "the Berath's chosen", Berathian priest in the Sacred Stair makes a huge fuss about you, you can convince Yseir to give you his sword by saying that you are Berath's blessed child, etc. I think even Raedric went full "My prayers have been answered, a Berath's chosen has blessed me with her presence, I must be doing everything right then!" on my poor Death godlike when she came to kill him on Kolsc's request.
Moon Godlike is Ondra's. If you play one you are called Ngati's child. Just like Tekehu. It seems Godlike can show various aspects of divine portfolio. It would be cool if Moon Godlike were one of Eothas aspects (there is some interesting theory about it in Deadfire).
I thought Nature Godlike could be blessed by Eothas as he had some ties with nature by spring and agriculture themes. But yeah, Nature Godlike are definitively Galawain's as he is a patron of the beasts and wild life.
Death Godlike is really strange. It is stated they are Berath's children but they have some characteristics for Rymrgand's domains like bad luck and disasters. They are also very bony and fleshy (decay domain?).
Fire Godlike: Magran. Although some people connected them with Eothas as fire is also his element (the sun).
My thoughts for another types:
Skaen and Woedica can look similar as both have deformed faces. A lot of scars and burns.
Abydon: I see them as metal-like creatures. Probably similar to the Eyeless.
Rymrgand: Ice and white skin. Some aurochs' features.
Wael: No eyes. Maybe some kind of androgyny.
Hylea: Birdlike with colorful feathers. Maybe some of them are more animal-like than human.
Eothas: Their skin covered with light and sparks like ethereal beings. Headshapes similar to the sun rays. Spring variant similar to Nature Godlike.
Thanks for the responses. I never played the game as a death or moon godlike (played nature once) since the godlikes didn't have enough face/hair customization.
As for people in the world making claims about your heritage: they could be wrong. Since there are no books that clarify it in the game, nor do the gods ever explicitly claim a godlike as one of theirs (except for Hylea and Ondra when it comes to Palegina and Tekehu), so personally I'm not inclined to take that as undisputed fact (unless the writers/creators of the game run in here to claim otherwise). Especially since the Gods themselves are pretty tight-lipped on the whole thing.
As for death godlike and bad luck: I thought that was superstition rather than an attribute they actually had.
I though agriculture was more a Gaun thing than an Eothas thing in general. I can see how that would work but the growths nature-godlike have always struck me more as a camouflage thing/part of nature thing rather than agriculture.
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Do we know that a god can only produce one type of godlike? It seems to me that any given deity might have multiple different godlike associated with their multiple different aspects. Likewise, more generic godlike might be associated with multiple different deities - like, sure, Fire Godlike are typically seen as Magranic, but couldn't they also be Abydon's (their ability is "Battle-Forged" after all)? Death godlike are often associated with Berath, but Rymrgand also seems like he might create them, or Eothas in his Gaun aspect. I wouldn't assume we're looking at a one-to-one function, here.
I thought Moon Godlike were generally believed to be Ondra's? Doesn't really make sense to me that they'd be Abydon's, since the general implication of WM2 is that the whole "Ondra loves the moon" thing is actually the story of her and Abydon, with many of the specifics having been lost to the ages (the biggest clue here is the music - there's a bard in Stalwart's tavern singing about Ondra and the moon, and an instrumental version of the same track plays as the background music at the Abbey of the Fallen Moon). I could also see an association with Eothas, since he's a god of light and healing.
Yeah, this whole exercise was based on the assumption of one godlike per god which indeed has not been stated as fact. But in Pallegina's quest they specifically talk about Skaen-godlike. And being able to detect them in the womb. Based on that I assumed they had certain features that identified them as such (physical or otherwise) but I could of course be wrong. Since the godlike also seem to serve as an emergency powersource for the gods (as Magran lets slip) I figured they'd mark their property.
As for the moon godlike, it is possible that their name is just one the people of Eora gave them (based on the growths on their head that are kinda moon-like) but doesn't actually describe anything about their nature. I'm more inclined to throw them in with Wael, because misdirection seems like their/its/her/his jam.
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OK, so Pallegina's personal quest points out that there are godlike of Skaen (and the reason we haven't met them yet). And the main story casually mentions the purpose of Godlikes. So it stands to reason every god has them and that the different species of Godlike are linked to particular gods. So I now feel the need for speculation as to which type of Godlike belongs to which god and what the leftover gods godlikes look like.
So here's my take (feel free to disagree, even vehemently, preferably politely):Marine Godlike: Ondra. Pretty much stated as such.
Avian Godlike: Hylea. See above
Fire Godlikes: Magran. Simple really. Goddess of fire and they get more resilient the more pressure is applied (their ability). Testing their mettle. A case could also be made for Abydon, but Magran seems the more likely one.
Nature Godlikes: Galawain. I base this on what Galawain looks like in his appearance in the discussions between the gods and him being the only god with a nature-y theme. I really don't see another deity as a match there.
Death Godlikes: Berath. A case could be made for Rymrgand (they both definitely have a death-y feel to them), but I feel Rymrgand's domain of cold, stillness and entropy would probably be better captured in something else. The Deathlike's ability is called Death's Usher, which brings one of Berath's forms to mind. Besides, since bonewhite seems to be a theme with Rymrgand I'd expect that to be more reflected in his minions.
Moon Godlike: Either Abydon of Wael. Abydon because Ondra loves the moons, and is implied to have loved Abydon as well in the White March Part II. Also had a moon launched at his head by Ondra. The healing power of moonlikes also fits with Abydon's theme of preservation. Primary issue there would be why wouldn't his godlikes look different since his death, as Abydon doesn't remember what happened. My other guess would be Wael, for the simple reason that there is no obvious connection between Wael and the moon, the perpetrator of Abydon's death via moon being a mystery you figure out and the entire point of the moonlike's power being to make something pointless (injuring the moonlike causes it to heal, nullifying damage). That seems like something that fits the contrarian God.
As for the other gods:Skaen: Scarred and misshapen. Kinda like the effigy but born that way. No ears and nose, black flint eyes.
Woedica: Headshape definitely involves something crown-like. Maybe burns.
Rymrgand: Bonewhite fur, horns like the beast of winter. Power involves some kind of paralysis or decay.
Eothas: Think of descriptions given of Saint Waidwen.
Abydon: Metal protrusions coming from the skin. Semimechanical bodyparts.
Wael: Dunno, but it definitely involves Eyes where they shouldn't be. Probably. At least a third one.
Any other ideas or theories?
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Seconded, seemingly random crash.
Priest dispositions
in Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)
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Thanks for the clarification. I also found it interesting (I'm currently playing a Berath Priest) that a Berath priest has the option to subvert the blessing the dawnstars give you in Port Maje (where you get your arm burned). when repeating Waenglith's prayer, as a Berath priest I had the option to go on a rant about how death transforms and only Gaun remains (Waenglith wasn't happy).
I've also come across 2 instances where a dialogue option I had because of being a Berath cleric was marked as Passionate, as disposition Berath does not approve of. WHich I thought was interesting at least.