Posts posted by CaptainBiscuit
She's part of him if he kept her, and he should have accepted her as such by now.
He merely tolerates her, if you nudge him in this direction, nothing more. He is certainly annoyed, when Eder brings her out to chat.
And there's this:
Watcher: I'm surprised you managed Iselmyr that long.
Aloth: We've come to an arrangement of sorts.
Iselmyr: Aye, he lets me in on the bashing, and I leave him the jawing.
Aloth: For the most part, anyhow. (He sighs)
I get it that you are peeved with him, but this is starting to sound awfully a lot like nitpicking.
especially considering he's doing it himself if he has Iselmyr
Uh, no? If he has Iselmyr, then it's Iselmyr doing it, not him.
but it's more of a big deal than what someone says in banter for a laugh
It's not like he disapproves of every joke, more of what he considers being irresponsible. And as I said before, I didn't lose his approval, despite my character being a smartass pretty much all the time. Didn't gain it either, though.
Being a Leaden Key agent in 1 really is a big deal and if your Watcher didn't kick up a fuss about it because they've grown to value him as a friend, they ought to have a pretty decent relationship going that's undeserving of being neutral or even negative based on petty stuff that doesn't matter.
I agree with you on this, but I think it's a problem with relationship system itself and not with Aloth per se. Personally, I'm going to wait for the patch, before I draw any conclusions.
I honestly don't see what is the big deal with Aloth taking animancer's notes on him. And while I don't condone his omitting him being the Leaden Key agent, it's not like he didn't pull his weight or, er, see the errors of the Leaden Key ways and decide to come clean in the end.
And yeah, I forgot to mention: once I got his approval to 2 by those not entirely honest means, it didn't go down at all for the rest 2/3 of the game. And I only picked the answers that, in my opinion, would suit my Watcher best (that included being constant smartass, for example). So... go figure.
If only I could get his approval over 0 without ruining my character's personality even more than I already have ...
Well, if you don't mind exploiting the game a bit, you can gain his approval (and Pallegina's) by taking the quest in Radiant Court, Dunnage (the one where you need to find people for the play): you'll be asked to free a mage who's working in the King's Coffin. Ask the tavern keeper, if you could settle her debt (Aloth and Pallegina will both approve). The tavern keeper will refuse. Leave conversation. Enter conversation and ask again, if you could settle her debt (Aloth and Pallegina will approve again). Leave conversation. Rinse, repeat.
Aloth really wants to get the Watcher into that bathhouse with him. Thank you, animancy
He sure does xD I mean, in addition to that idle line, he has another one, when you enter the bathhouse, something like: "Once this is all over, I'd like to spend more time here together".
My favourite idle now is Xoti's "Had the strangest dream last night. In it me and you were just standing around, gawking at each other. For hours".
Thought I'd share it here:
The lines companions say when you poke them too many times are hilarious (Tekehu, lol). And I just love that they have different lines for romance as well as for negative/positive approval, it seems. Also romanced Aloth lines when idling are adorable.
But these words come after all other slides. If you are correct it would kind of read like "So after all of it was over, Eder joined a cult, Durance immolated himself, Kana sailed back to Rauatai, Sagani became an elder, Devil is rusting at the bottom of the ocean, and you have to find your way back to the bloody surface". In other words, really weird.
Not to mention that there is in fact a separate slide about you and your companions digging yourselves out exactly the way Thaos came.
If you kidnap Vela, the ending slide changes to this:
But at the moment, there was little to be done, and the matter would have to wait. A long journey loomed ahead, made no easier by your decision to bring an infant to Sun in Shadow.
Also note the "but at the moment" part, so it's not all that weird, actually.
Never even liked the place Although if POE I slides are any indication (Narrator: "...a long journey looms ahead". Watcher: proceeds to lock themselves up in Caed Nua for 5 years), they will probably write it off anyway.
Well, I always took the "...a long journey looms ahead" part as "Since Thaos destroyed the shortcut and there is no going up that pit, you have to find another way out of Sun in Shadow".
While I agree with your opinion on Aloth's personality in the second game, I think there is something weird going on with some of companion approval tags. For example, when I decided to give that tablet from Arkemyr's house to the huana questgiver, Aloth suddenly disapproved of me with a "pride" tag before I even said a word? It kinda went like -
Huana: Oh hi Watcher!
Aloth: [Pride] Aloth gives you a pained look
Then there is also Xoti and Serafen approving Maia's story about killing that spoiler guy and telling you all the gruesome details with "wordliness" tag. I guess I could kinda... sorta... understand Serafen liking the story (although not really) but Xoti? And how the hell was it wordly?
Tl; dr: the approval system seems terribly broken, not only in terms of numbers and speed at which you gain reputation, but also the tags themselves.
Yeah, happened to me too. Remember those performers in Queen's Berth? There's a kid hanging out nearby. When I tried to talk to said kid, Aloth suddenly gave me the same "pride"-tagged disapproval. Like what the actual heck. I reloaded right after and talked to the kid again just to check if he'd have the same reaction again, and nothing happened (but I'm still suspicious, I mean, what if there is a hidden disappoval thing going on :D).
I think I obsess over Aloth more than the others due to him being my fav (apart from Zahua) in 1 and my brain is trying really hard not to hate him, and because it's so challenging to get his approval up.
I totally get it, he was one of my favorites in the first game as well. But now that he is giving people pained looks and massaging his temples i find it difficult to like him. And if you think this is bad wait until his opinion of you drops to -1 and he starts lecturing you about "becoming like Thaos" because traditions.
That is indeed a bummer. He's obviously still my favourite, but I am disappointed with the way he was portrayed in Deadfire (and now I'm slightly paranoid that because of this he's not going to make it to the next game as a companion).
Does anyone else enjoy clicking on the companion portraits over and over until you get their "Stop clicking me" dialogue?
I love it.
I know what I need to do now
We've met other intelligent, talkative undead, but she's the only one who's managed to remain... alive-looking. I agree, it would've been really interesting to talk to her more. I liked the character.
That's probably because she separated herself from the Wheel not so long ago. I'd wager given time and/or lack of essence to feed on she would degenerate as any other undead.
Here's all of Vela's banter:
Looks like Aloth is the only responsible adult out there :D Kinda meh though, kid sounds largely neglected. But then again, never been a fan of kidnapping her and killing Lliras in the first place.
You do it this way: go to the RDC before anyone else and refuse to assassinate the queen. They'll attack you. When you've killed them all, go to the palace and the queen will thank you for your aid and lend a few watershapers to help reach Ukaizo. There's no need to frame anyone.
Huh, self-defense. That's actually neat. And I find this turn of events much more agreeable that blowing up that powder house where every npc is guilt tripping you by saying stuff like "I need to write to my family" or "Yay I'm 4 weeks away from retirement"
I like the animancers in the second game, but siding with the Republics... i don't know.
Anyone knows how to get a good ending with Pallegina without siding with the Republics? I don't want to get her banished again, but I'd rather help the Huana (for all their faults) or go solo. Both Republics and Rauatai have slavery, and that is something thats a no-go for me.
I think Pallegina can keep her posting if you side with Huana, and director Castol is still in charge. That way he puts in a word for her. Now, I have no idea how to keep Castol for that ending, because Onekaza banished him to the Gullet after framing him for blowing up the powderhouse (and Pallegina ends up disgraced and banished, again *sigh*).
I also agree that all factions are terrible in their own way, but at least in my Huana ending things started to improve for Roparu.
I didn't finish Aloth quest and that's not what happened. I didn't move past getting his quest though. Xoti
ended up High Priestess
...I was totally expecting the bad ending there.
Did you find a merchant ship ransaked by the Wahaki with him in the party? Maybe if he doesn't know where to go, he doesn't get in over his head. Or it could be totally bugged, like those ending slides I got for Tekehu made it so as if my Watcher dumped him, when in fact I didn't even romance him.
And you forgot Aloth for POE1, sorta, you have to banishing him...
I didn't, since his personal quest has nothing to do with this ending.
With unsuppressed Iselmyr it might be quite difficult and you quite likely to get Eder and Iselmyr romance instead.
Is there a romance though? I mean, aside from that one convo, where Iselmyr is pranking them both, and a banter, where Eder hopes it's not going to cause a rift between them, there is no follow-up.
Come to think of it, Xoti
will go mad, run off to the fields and start killing folks if you don't help her. But I think that could also happen if you tell her to keep the souls instead of releasing them.
Kinda sad that if you don't do companion's quest, they don't have terrible endings like in POE1.
If you don't do his quest, he gets himself killed on Ori o Koiki.
And not all companions in PoE1 had terrible endings if you didn't finish their quests either, only Kana and Durance, iirc.
Man I managed to save Pallegina's friend but my god I don't think I could've did it without 2 mages. The cc was soooo necessary to keep him from being one shot.
There are easier ways to do it - https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/99140-a-man-of-chimes-quest-how-do-i-save-giacolo/?p=2019569
if people loved Hiravias as much as they love Eder, he'd suddenly have a reason to show up in the Deadfire, believe you me.
As someone who liked Hiravias, I'll just go and cry in the corner over there :D Here's hoping for some sort of cameo in future dlc's.
Now you know and now, you will see why Sera-chan is the #1 husbando.
I don't suppose you have some screenshots to share? Purely for research reasons, of course :D
Devs didn't choose returning companions for their iconic status but by who had the most sense to be in Deadfire. Eder because of Eothas, Aloth because of his unfinished business with the Leaden Key, Pallegina because of VRC.
In that case Durance had at least as much reason to return as Eder, after suffering faith crisis and learning that the god he blowed up is alive and kicking.
Yet another Aloth Thread
in Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire Stories (Spoiler Warning!)
Posted · Edited by CaptainBiscuit
Yep, this is a bug (not sure if it is just visual or actually affecting rep score). Had the exact same conversation while being on positive terms with VTC, Aloth didn't disapprove of anything. And as I posted in another thread, I had "Aloth disapproves" tag upon starting conversation with a kid hanging out near performers in Queen's Berth, which magically disappeared after I reloaded and talked to the kid again.