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Ok, first of all, Revan and The Exile don't have to lose force powers. Remember how Kreia explained that the old sith lords were far better with the lightsaber than the jedi of today (a KOTOR 2 day that is), also implying that they were better with the force than the average jedi as well. Well, the true sith empire is the place where these teachings would be known, as they are the empires of the old sith lords. Having knowlage of such technique would make them strong foes. It is plausible that Revan and The Exile would find themselves close to even with the average (or maybe a little higher up) sith. It is also plausible that Revan and The Exile would have to learn to take out groups of soldiers quickly, as gorilla tactics would have to be used to prevail. This may sound a bit corny, but how much more corny is two jedi facing off with a sith emprie and coming out on top. As for who to play, The Exile and Revan could be exchangeble main characters as their fates are intertwined. The creation of both charaters could be done at the begining of the game, or as you meet them. The "getting used to the game" section (Peragus, Endar Spire), could be where The Exile finds Revan. As for the story, I don't really care as long as there are no (obviously large)plot holes, "open minded" endings( I think what most people seek is a conclusion), or underused/just plain crappy villans. As for those who say the reopening of Revan's story was a mistake, would you rather have him dead? He would have to be if he wasn't in KOTOR 2, who dosn't notice the disaparence of the jedi, unless they are dead or to far away. JAT: The place where Revan went could be a reverse of republic space. A dark side galaxy where there are planets with the power of the light side that the sith think to dangerous to reside on (kind of like korriban, but for light side jedi).

That is a suprising amount of info shoveled against that guy. BTW:Most of those midichlorien counts are just wack. For Example: Revan was stronger than Malak in the force but he is shown as weaker. Also, It shows Chewbaca as stronger in the force than a "needs to be considered for training" jedi... I don't know about you, but I'm sure that Chewie didn't use the force in the movies. I think this emoticon can accuratly describe my thoughts on that:

Too bad you couldn't get ahold of some Star Forge Robes in the game....and some with a pulled up hood and cape so you didn't look like a Quarren.

How did you hear his midiclorine count? are you on the mailing list or something? (w00t) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No I read it in one of those...I realy don't know what you would call it...one of those after-star-wars-is-over-and-the-rebels-are-trying-to-make-a-new-republic books. I doubt the storys completly comply with GL's outlook on the SW future, but it does have Star Wars blasted all over them and they are using copyrighted characters (luke, leia, han, palpatine, etc.), so i figure they have to have some kind of official approval. I should proboobly try to get some cold hard facts from official channel though. If I have got the count wrong, correct me. I'm all ears.

Now THAT'S the truth. For their honeymoon they'd probably book a nice hotel room at the beach and see if they can get everyone else in the hotel to kill each other. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So that's what happened to Korriban...

That would be frigging awesome (w00t) starts drooling now

Well, Common sense goes with Sidious(sp?). Not becase he is male, but simply his midiclorien count is so freaking high. At 20,000, (3rd highest in history, if my mind serves me correctly) it really isn't a contest anymore, Traya has a fried, charred, and in most ways dead body, while Sidious isn't breaking a sweat. I mean, look at Luke, if it wasn't for his father he would have died rather quickly, and the Emperor was just toying with him there. So all things considered I belive that Sidious would win by a landslide. Besides, If Traya tried to catch him unawares with her lightsaber, Darth Varder would probobly be there to parry the blow.(RotJ)

Well, did you ever wonder how the ship got back up to you? Okay, more than likely, she didn't pilot it, Atton probobly did. She could have gotten to the ebon hawk and flown it back up to the exile(it fell remember?). If she dies....I don't know. I never sucked bad enough to lose to that walking carpet bent on destroying the human race. If playing Light Side( You should play both, and compleyte all the side quests, and make revan light and dark, or you're just missing the story. for examle, if only playing with the revan light side option, did you know that he completely regained his memory? I'm sure most of us guessed that, but there is solid proof in a sith holocron.) did you ever wonder how the remote beat G0-T0? that's right, possibility is extremely low. Mira could have helped kill the exchange boss, how ever far fetched. All of your team survies (well most)malachor, for Kriea tells you so in her final gift, from one exile to another. This means that Mira has to be on the ebon hawk when it picks you up. because it blows up afterwards.(LS ending anyway). Like Revan, he could have dropped the group off at the edge of the galaxy with the ebon hawk. Revan did't take it. Which leaves another intresting line of points, Kreia must have gotten the ship from Revan(or was brought it by T3, because of Revan's orders), so....I've gotten pretty off topic, so i'll just leave worse enough alone. Final coment though, read the bold again.

Alright now, regardless of which direction you look at it, (unless you are looking for the stupider of the two) Kreia is the better. Why, you ask? Let's explore Kreia and Malak and find out. Kreia had that subtility that Revan had. This is an area in which Malak was lacking. Don't get me wrong Malak is a cool charater, even after his turn to the dark, but his unability to see the whole picture is a serious charater flaw. You see, Revan undersood that from small crulties, greater ones are born(sound familier?). To show you my point, Imagine a pond with several lily pads that are about 2 feet apart from each other. Now, if you touched, just touched one with the tip of your finger, the ripples in the water would spread and touch all the lily pads, moving all them from only touching a key point. Now Imagine that you took a rather large rock and hurled it at one of the lilly pads, it completly screws up the lilly pad that it hit and disrupts the pattern of the lily pads around it for some ways. That is the diference between Revan and Malak. Revan knew that by destroying key figures, he could conquer planets, and with the defeat of that planet, he could conquer systems, and with the defeat of all the systems, he could take position as ruler of the Republic . Malak, who understood battle but not war, would completly destroy a planet, causing some to cower in fear, but some more to form a rebellion. He would have to quell that rebellion, no doubt with destructive force, shattering more delicate infrastructure that he would have to completly rebuild. There would always be a rebellious group for Malak to crush, eventually leading to him killing his empire. You can't rule dead subjects, or inanimate objects for that matter, belive me, I've tried. Now, you are probobly wondering 'I thought this was about Kreia. What is this guy smoking?', well here is your anwser. Who tought Revan to touch and entire galaxy with a few deaths, and sometimes, only words. That's right, Kreia. For those of you who said Zhar, you need a serious reality check. Although Kreia wasn't as powerful as Revan, she still had manipulitave ablilities that would have a Ubese serving her tea. Kreia, again unlike Malak, did not want the death of all Jedi opposed to her. Like she said to the exile in the Jedi Acadamy(if playing Dark Side, if you havent, do it, that is the only way you will get the full story.), (paraphrasing) 'I didn't wish the death of all Jedi, only to show them that their teachings were flawed, and that only could not totally experience the force simply by adhering to the Jedi Code.', and I'm not talking 'experience the force' like the Dark Side, but truly understand the higher mysteries of it. Because of that fact, she turned to the only other teachings she knew, those of the sith, which tought that releasing your emotions, rather than containing them would bring you power. She tried that too, and relised after her fall, that those teachings were not fufilling either. Carving out her own path, let's just call it Krieaism, she finds a way to mend the Jedi Code. The real kicker to her potency is that she understands that the force, or life in general, could not be percived in just two colors, light and dark. There is a whole spectrum to the force and the best way to solve a problem probobly won't be at the top or bottom of that spectrum. The understanding of this truth made her a formidable fow indeed. Think of her actions through out the game and then think of her revalation of motivations for the actions you get at the ending(If you wernt stupid enough to kill her before asking about Revan). Exactly, to prepare The Exile for dealing with the four immeadiate threats to the galaxy. 1 Nihilus, 2 Sion, 3 Traya (Atris and herself), 4 The Sith threat waiting beyond the outer rim. These goals show that she may not have been as evil as she appeared, but that makes her no less of a Sith Lord for it. Because, basiclly a Sith is a Jedi who uses the destrucive side of the force, and believes that the strong should rule (which is why you have to kill her). If you look at Kreia, she fits that description. The deciseve factor between Kreia and Malak, however, is Kreia's ability to asses a decision long term. While Malak eradicates all oposition, Kreia would look into all of the possibilites that could come from that choice. For an example, when on Nar Shadaa, a man askes you to give him money, if you do it, you expect it to be the right thing to do, right? Wrong. Kreia show you that the man because of you gift, the man gets jumped and is now in more despair than before. That is the king of foresight I'm talking about. The ability to asses the effects of one's actions before making that action is vital to being a good leader, Sith or Jedi. Malak, and his apprentice for that matter, were base sith, beliving that prowess in combat, and brute strength were the way to go, giving no thought to thought. For example, as someone stated, Darth Bandon kills a soldier for walking in front of him, probobly jacking up a console as well. Anyone that stupid deserves to be shot. Had he restrained his imbicileistic impulses, he would have one, possibly more if the console blew up (I don't remember) soldeirs in his army, which can tip the balence in a battle, and another console to issue commands from without wasteing vital resources to repair what should have never been broken. I could go on and on, but my eyes are starting to hurt from staring at this computer screen so long, so I will summarize the rest of my arguments in two words: KREIA WINS .