Cymelion

Ok so I checked the store page and it has achievements I clicked on the store page achievements which gave me the global results and selected compare to my own - none were active and on my Library page I am missing the achievements bar. Is there a fix for this? I'm not sure what I did wrong - I collected my steam key from the backer portal and installed it fine - the game runs fine - just seem to have achievements disabled and no way to re-enable them. Image of page included. Actually it seems that you need to restart Steam for them to show up - I guess I will leave this here incase others have the same issue?

I am not necessarily saying the backers all playing this may not have been a good idea and generated some positive buzz a day or two before release. Just saying I am not terribly upset they did not. In my experience once a game has been out for a few days everybody generally only remembers the game and not so much how the release went, unless it was a particularly massive debacle. Depends on the game - I can tell you now Double Fine isn't in anyones trust books - regardless how great Broken Age part 2 is I don't see DF getting another successful Kickstarter - same with Peter Molyneux. Granted this isn't a deal breaker for many but it is for some and thats potential backers gone - So while they made the 4 million this time maybe next time its only 2.5 million still enough maybe - but its a difference.

I lack the information to say. I suppose there might be logistical issues there being 77K+ of us and 2K or whatever of them. But frankly that is not my business. But I am not interested in being treated the same as a member of the media. I am not a member of the media nor do I have any desire to be so. So in other words - there is no net loss for all backers to have gotten their access at the same time as the media. Since Obsidian is already trusting backers with DRM free GOG copies I fail to see the importance of releasing it at the same time as the media or after. People know the GOG copy is DRM free those who will pirate will do so no matter what.

As I said - Obsidian are now a developer I am cautious of - I have that right as a consumer and I have the right to warn/advise people of my reasons for being cautious - I'll still play the game I'm getting my $140 worth. But in the future I will always remember this moment when I think of Obsidian and I don't doubt others will too. Of course you have a right as a consumer to do what you want. Where did anybody say anything about removing your rights? I just do not get where anybody has been wronged or why we were entitled to anything in a KS beyond making sure the game we wanted to play was made. I also do not see how they have done anything wrong, they said the game was going to be out on the 26th, it is. They said the keys would go out on Monday or Tuesday and they were (barely...). They have been engaged with us here on these forums for years. They had a spirited and involved backer beta. I do not see how they have not been respectful or non-engaged. Now if you need more than that that it is always your right to do whatever. Billions of people did not contribute to this kickstarter. Okay then - explain to me the net loss for Obsidian giving Backers the same access as the media?

As I said - Obsidian are now a developer I am cautious of - I have that right as a consumer and I have the right to warn/advise people of my reasons for being cautious - I'll still play the game I'm getting my $140 worth. But in the future I will always remember this moment when I think of Obsidian and I don't doubt others will too.

The only part of the operation of their KS I care about is the quality of the final product. Where as I value their actions along with the product I can excuse a bad product if the actions are respectful and engaging. I can play and enjoy a good product but be turned off the developer if they're disrespectful and distant. I'll damn near preach the game to everyone I know and buy it for people who can't afford it for a great product with engaging passionate respectful developers. It says it all when I have bought 6 copies of Star Citizen for friends - but I am considering telling people to wait for PoE to be on sale and not to bother.

Obsidian values their backers, so they didn't want them to play the game without the first day patch. The media however, was subjected to bugs. Thank you Obsidian, for your considerate actions. Well I would have appreciated being given that choice, Knowing there was a patch coming later I could have held off - installed it created a character and got a feel for the game. It's not like even with this Day 1 Patch all the bugs are gone - there are still bugs and we'll be seeing them posted everywhere and in compilation youtube videos about Glitches in gaming.

I guess I do not understand the beef. So far Obsidian has done everything they promised. I never got the idea that because I backed them they were required to make me some sort of priority, or at least above and beyond what they said they were going to do. And I acknowledge that - again when other Kickstarters put their fans and backers at a higher priority (even Broken Age had early access) it strikes me as very poor form for someone as well respected as Obsidian to not show a little gratitude to their backers. Again giving access to the exact same copy the Media had would have cost them nothing in effort but would have rewarded them a lot in fans - even you I am sure would have been happy to have received it at the same time with a little thank you note. Granted you're not bothered about not getting that but you would have found it a net positive and so would all other fans. And here is the thing I don't mind you feeling like that and you're not wrong to have that opinion. I don't think less of you or feel like calling you out - fans are not who I have my beef with here. I'm upset at Obsidian and their decisions and I'm voicing that in the hopes it makes their future events better. I personally wont be backing them or encouraging friends to if they do another KS unless I see some statements or questions answered about the priority of backers. I would have asked this in the beginning but hindsight is 20/20 and honestly back then we had very little to go on with KS experience. Now we've seen how companies have done their KS which ones have done alright - which ones have burnt bridges. You think Double Fine is going to get another successful KS in the near future? Pretty challenging for them after that Space Station game and the trouble with Broken Age. Molyneux might as well give up gaming with the bridges he burnt. Obsidian hasn't murdered children or cooked kittens nor do I think that little of them - but they are someone I am now cautious of and same with other people. I see what you are trying to say. But I think as you said it yourself, Obsidian didn't say anything about priorities of the backers in the way you are suggesting and I just think that it is not fair to voice this matter when they are clearly not responsible. As I said in the previous post, maybe they can make next kickstarter with clear statement not only what backers are entitled to, but also what they are not entitled to. Imho, you cannot blame them now for something they didn't write and you didn't ask at that time. I am sorry if I offended anyone, I would really like that you could just sit and enjoy what little spare time you have before you get lost yourself in this game Best, aa Not offended - and you're right people will judge them more clearly next time. At least now there is precedence on how Obsidian operates their KS - so backers can consider that in the future.

And here is the thing I don't mind you feeling like that and you're not wrong to have that opinion. I don't think less of you or feel like calling you out - fans are not who I have my beef with here. I'm upset at Obsidian and their decisions and I'm voicing that in the hopes it makes their future events better. I personally wont be backing them or encouraging friends to if they do another KS unless I see some statements or questions answered about the priority of backers. I would have asked this in the beginning but hindsight is 20/20 and honestly back then we had very little to go on with KS experience. Now we've seen how companies have done their KS which ones have done alright - which ones have burnt bridges. You think Double Fine is going to get another successful KS in the near future? Pretty challenging for them after that Space Station game and the trouble with Broken Age. Molyneux might as well give up gaming with the bridges he burnt. Obsidian hasn't murdered children or cooked kittens nor do I think that little of them - but they are someone I am now cautious of and same with other people.

The review copy sent to media is already on torrent sites - so that's a false statement. I think you are wrong about reviewers version on torrents, but I think it should not be discussed on forums here. Other people are bringing it up - they may as well be factual in their claims - claiming it wasn't given to backers because there would be torrents is clearly false. In fact one could say it would have been less likely people who paid in early would release their copies for torrenting as opposed to someone with 28 subscribers on youtube getting thrown a free key and told to only stream act 1 and no more than 15 hours.

The only reason to attack the person is when you can't attack their arguments. Obsidian could have allowed all backers to have access to the media review copy - they chose not to - the media is more important than backers to them By their actions. You don't seem capable of refuting that point and by their actions people are justified in reviewing Obsidian badly to their friends and family. It's part and parcel of being a consumer, its also a big part of capitalism - the consumer gets to judge a company on their actions as well as their product. That's what is happening here.

The review copy sent to media is already on torrent sites - so that's a false statement.

Your base assumption is imho incorrect that nowadays press is the most important marketing channel for games of that kind. I'd say for PC exclusive games of some niche appeal word of mouth from enthusiastic fans is an even more powerful marketing tool. That's why streamers on youtube get more and more important as well. I don't see how giving copies to backers earlier should result in lower sales. You might elaborate on that? But you just missed the point and your whole rant is useless anyway because nobody here criticizes Obsidian for giving out review copies to the press before release. We criticize them for not giving out game copies to backers at the same time. Well because game is DRM free if backers would get copies, let's say 3 days before launch, the torrent with the game would be out in less than a 10 minutes and than people would pirate it for 3 days before launch. That would hurt Obsidian sales on so many levels! And furthermore, do you consider yourself that important and entitled that the company owns you something because you backed their development? Excuse me, but I think we own more to Obsidian than they to us, as there is no other studio or people who could pull something like this, and who would put everything on risk to make a game that no one seems to want (I mean publishers and nowadays gamers). I pledged $290 and I do not know anyone else in whole world who could for that money get me a game like this! Be happy that we were allowed to play a part in something great and something no one believed that can happened again - to get real spiritual successor to our beloved IE games! I doubt the significance of the torrent argument. People who want to pirate the game will so anyway. It's not like just because a torrent isn't available two weeks before release would lead to buy the game. You could even counter the whole argument by looking at the torrent as a free demo. There are still quite a few people who pirate games to evaluate whether they want to buy the game for full price or not. So maybe it would have even fueled sales (just talking about effects here, not about torrents being right or something, ok). And my argument wasn't about myself, but about the effectiveness of marketing. I think releasing the game earlier to backers would have been a win-win situation for everyone. Backers would have been happy because they feel a bit special and respected and Obsidian would have been happy because everyone in the core audience was talking about the game on social networks and game communities like Steam. Not even mentioning a whole lot of probably very positive Steam user reviews already available at launch which is the best argument for quite some people I know to actually buy a game. I say it again, word of mouth is the best marketing channel for a game like Pillars of Eternity, imho more important than traditional reviews. People nowadays - especially on PC - trust their friends and user reviews more than those of traditional media. Well I cannot argue with you obviously you have your opinion and cant/don't want to accept another one. IMHO one lost sale of the game because someone impatient would download torrent and than later decide for whatever reason not to buy the game is a loss. As Obsidian never said that backers will get game before others, I do not see the reason discussing this topic at all... And furthermore I would suggest Obsidian for the next kickstarter (I hope that they will make it whether they got enough funds or not because I like to be a part of something like it) that they separately state in CAPITAL LETTERS that: "Backers will NOT get game before official release. Please do not pledge if you cannot accept this. Thank you very much." No but they said in their KS they weren't going to a publisher and they broke that without any issue. Again you're all making the assumption that people who are mad are somehow treating your precious Obsidian as the bad guys - they're not bad they just made a really bad decision - they've apologized to me about it so I am willing to let their future actions speak for them. But I am encouraging everyone I know to be a lot more cautious about Obsidian in the future because regardless of how the game stands on its own. It's the way backers are treated that matters in this situation - and as you say yes no one was promised early access not trying to form a class action or seek legal action against them - people like me are just disappointed.

Are there games that require both Steam and Origin? As far as I'm aware, when EA decided not to offer their new stuff from Steam, they required Origin (Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age:Inquisition), but I wasn't aware that there were games requiring both. Anyway, it's neither here nor there. I was just curious. Like I said, I find Origin an overall better experience than Steam (marginally, mind you, as no client is a great experience to me). Your concerns about security are noted though. Not sure on EA games - but either way I've never missed them enough to get an Origin account. Uplay however do - if you buy most Ubisoft games offered on Steam they require you to sign into Uplay or you can't play them - even if it is a single player. I just skimmed it. It looks like an interesting read - I'm sure I'll invest more time into reading it, its on an open tab.

I'll never understand how customers can actually demand a monopoly... It's like punching yourself in the face. I don't mind them being there I don't like them being mandatory - I have a GOG account why because it's not mandatory and they worked hard to put their customers first - EA and Ubisoft have yet to show that level of dedication.