Test results of stackable action speed bonus from Frenzy items

[tackthumb]

As some of you may already know, certain items such as Lover's Embrace can grant you Frenzy which stacks with the Barbarian's standard class ability Frenzy. To clarify, while the Might and Constitution inspirations from multiple Frenzies do not stack, the action speed bonus from the item-derived form of Frenzy does stack with the action speed bonus from the Barbarian class-derived form of Frenzy. I decided to test if multiple instances of Frenzy from items would then stack with each other and standard Frenzy. I tested the following items which can grant Frenzy (not sure if I missed any other source of Frenzy from items):

• Lover's Embrace (on crit against male or female targets, depending on enchantment chosen)
• Amra (25% chance on kill, additional 1% upon receiving damage)
• Crimson Panoply (50% chance upon being crit, limited to 1 per encounter)

Here are the results and some interesting findings. It appears that only 3 instances of Frenzy can stack with each other: the Barbarian class ability Frenzy, the Frenzy from the Crimson Panoply, and the Frenzy from either Lover's Embrace or Amra but not both at the same time. Amra and Lover's Embrace appear to simply override each other and reset the duration of each other's Frenzy, so there might be some hard coded limit on Frenzy coming from weapons or weapon attacks. (Side note: because Amra is a two-handed variant of a battle axe, I used a Black Jacket/Barbarian as my test character so I could instantly swap weapon sets between Amra and Lover's Embrace which made it easier to test concurrent Frenzies without any duration being wasted on swap recovery). Another thing to note is that I took the Uncontrolled Rage enchantment on Crimson Panoply which upgrades its version of Frenzy to Blood Frenzy while I took Spirit Frenzy as an ability on my Barbarian -- I only mention this because I'm not sure if the fact that I took "separate" Frenzy upgrade paths on my character and armor is what allowed them to stack or not. Also, while doing my testing, I was focused mostly on Amra's on-kill procs of Frenzy and it was hard to notice if the 1% chance to proc Frenzy from receiving damage ever procced during my test. I'm trying to remember from previous experience with using Amra, but I believe that the Frenzy from the Unstable Temper proc just refreshes Amra's Frenzy duration and isn't another instance of Frenzy on top of Amra's on-kill Frenzy proc. In which case, I believe it would be subject to the hard coded Frenzy from weapon limit, i.e. I don't think Frenzy from Amra's Unstable Temper would stack with Frenzy coming from Lover's Embrace. Finally, be forewarned that the deflection malus from multiple Frenzies will also stack this way which can be a rather steep penalty for all the action bonus.

[Okkes]

2 hours ago, tackthumb said:

As some of you may already know, certain items such as Lover's Embrace can grant you Frenzy which stacks with the Barbarian's standard class ability Frenzy. To clarify, while the Might and Constitution inspirations from multiple Frenzies do not stack, the action speed bonus from the item-derived form of Frenzy does stack with the action speed bonus from the Barbarian class-derived form of Frenzy. I decided to test if multiple instances of Frenzy from items would then stack with each other and standard Frenzy. I tested the following items which can grant Frenzy (not sure if I missed any other source of Frenzy from items):

• Lover's Embrace (on crit against male or female targets, depending on enchantment chosen)
• Amra (25% chance on kill, additional 1% upon receiving damage)
• Crimson Panoply (50% chance upon being crit, limited to 1 per encounter)

Here are the results and some interesting findings. It appears that only 3 instances of Frenzy can stack with each other: the Barbarian class ability Frenzy, the Frenzy from the Crimson Panoply, and the Frenzy from either Lover's Embrace or Amra but not both at the same time. Amra and Lover's Embrace appear to simply override each other and reset the duration of each other's Frenzy, so there might be some hard coded limit on Frenzy coming from weapons or weapon attacks. (Side note: because Amra is a two-handed variant of a battle axe, I used a Black Jacket/Barbarian as my test character so I could instantly swap weapon sets between Amra and Lover's Embrace which made it easier to test concurrent Frenzies without any duration being wasted on swap recovery). Another thing to note is that I took the Uncontrolled Rage enchantment on Crimson Panoply which upgrades its version of Frenzy to Blood Frenzy while I took Spirit Frenzy as an ability on my Barbarian -- I only mention this because I'm not sure if the fact that I took "separate" Frenzy upgrade paths on my character and armor is what allowed them to stack or not. Also, while doing my testing, I was focused mostly on Amra's on-kill procs of Frenzy and it was hard to notice if the 1% chance to proc Frenzy from receiving damage ever procced during my test. I'm trying to remember from previous experience with using Amra, but I believe that the Frenzy from the Unstable Temper proc just refreshes Amra's Frenzy duration and isn't another instance of Frenzy on top of Amra's on-kill Frenzy proc. In which case, I believe it would be subject to the hard coded Frenzy from weapon limit, i.e. I don't think Frenzy from Amra's Unstable Temper would stack with Frenzy coming from Lover's Embrace. Finally, be forewarned that the deflection malus from multiple Frenzies will also stack this way which can be a rather steep penalty for all the action bonus.

Is frenzy speed bonus from that items stacks with captains banquet, swift strikes and daom i wonder?

[Grape_You_In_The_Mouth]

Some technical notes to this are that:
Frenzy abilities from classes have the special code component attached to them:

SpecialGenericAbilityType": "Frenzy"

The documentation (https://eternity.obsidian.net/game-data-formats/enumerations) shows this in the SpecialGenericAbilityType section as meaning:
Does nothing other than identify this ability as Frenzy.

Lover's Quarrel does not have this special identifier.  Maybe it actually does mean something?