True_Magus

The saying has nothing to do with whether or not tree fell down. I can't believe you need that explained as elemetary as that is. The question is "what constitutes sound." Of course the tree created vibrations, that is a given, but can vibrations be called sounds if it is not heard. As far as the senses are concerned sentient beings are what holds the keys to reality because, again, of relativity. So no that has no ralation to an the existance of an earthquake that brought down ones house. If you are so closed minded to philosophy then why have you even looked at a forum labeled thus? Just because your ignorant of something and have no desire to be released from the mundane bonds of stupidity does not make something stupid. Please keep that in mind.

In truly Zen-like manner I shall answer your querie with an age-old question: if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? And as far as proving true wisdom it is not possible for we are all wise in relative terms. Wise to you may not be wise to me. I am wise of the matters in my life and experiences as you are of yours. My definition of truly wise can be accepted or rejected by any one of you. Does that make you or me right? No. As far as my knowing and you not, have you every actually taken a couple hours out of your day just to think about deeper topics such as good, evil,and duality, the origin and essence of a divine force, and the meaning of life and wisdom? That to me is wisdom and I have gleaned that humans have the potential for great things and we are directly connected with the universe that we have been talking about so long on this topic. The druids had a symbol, some of you may know it but not quite comprehend what it means. The pentagram: each of the lines in the star has a specific meaning: one is all, by it all, for it all, if it does not contain it all, then one is nothing. This simply states that all is one and one is all, thus we contain the universe within by our connection with it. The circle symbolizes infinity, not eternity, because eternity is a measurement of time: from a point until the end of time. I cannot prove to you anything about true wisdom for only by finding wisdom yourself can you recognize it. So there is some incentive seek wisdom, become better and grow, perhaps you can prove me wrong. I would enjoy a new lesson. And to Kirottu that was obviously the nothing portion, but that does not necessarily disprove any amount of wisdom because if one learns from his/her mistakes then wisdom is achieved. I truly enjoy bantering with all of you.

I believe you mean dimensions not universes with the sharing particles because everything exist in ten dimensions at once. See the super string theory. And the void is a nothingness of the absolute definition, so universes are touching yet infinitly far apart. Like I before said [i would like to have] rationality['s babies]. And to Arkan: True wisdom comes when we realize that we know everything and nothing.

By definition, nothing being nothing, it exists and does not at the same time. The idea that nothing does not exist AT ALL is retarded , because that means that all things of the universe are infinite, again... retarded , the universe though is, while constantly growing, not entirely infinite, and given one of the many quantum theories, all of which you seem unfamiliar with, and if you are I'm talking about the one about parallel universes, yes there is one like that , then are you saying that all of these universes are joined touching with no differenciation? That would be ONE universe , not parallels. Please have a good day...(douche) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> what the **** is your problem? As I said.. using this definition "Nothing" does not exist.. since all space is (as far as we know) capable of containing matter or electrical fields etc and waves, lightwaves/particles etc I don't agree with this definition - which was my point! oh and please refrain from being a ****ing troll in the future! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My problem is that every time you wrote something on this topic you either didn't explain yourself well enough making it seem impossibly stupid or it simply was. Only you know the answer to that one. Allow me to now explain myself: the whole point of nothing is that it does not exist in our universe because space itself is SOMETHING, nothing must be where space and time become irrelevent. In quantum physics there is place that is no place in between universes. This is the theory of parallel universes I rather rudely stated before, please excuse. Imagine if you will a summer shower frozen, every rain drop suspended in air, each of these rain drops represents a universe the space in between these rain drops is the void. In actuality though this space is not a space in is a lacking of existence and an existence at the same time. In the void space and time become irrelevent. The void is so irrational that a rational mind cannot begin to comprehend its intracacies. When one imagines nothing they always imagine blackness and silence, but as you stated before that is space and space is not nothing because of its ability to contain matter and because of its form. Space is substance nothing is the lack of all substance. And for future reference I shall try to be more compassionate and refrain from being "a ****ing troll." Thank you so much you've changed my life! Yeah I didn't read carefully enough with the whole "if we use that definition" I apologize for being a d**k.

By definition, nothing being nothing, it exists and does not at the same time. The idea that nothing does not exist AT ALL is retarded , because that means that all things of the universe are infinite, again... retarded , the universe though is, while constantly growing, not entirely infinite, and given one of the many quantum theories, all of which you seem unfamiliar with, and if you are I'm talking about the one about parallel universes, yes there is one like that , then are you saying that all of these universes are joined touching with no differenciation? That would be ONE universe , not parallels. Please have a good day...(douche)

What I'm trying to get to is: IF nothing does not and can not exist, has there always been something? If so, there would never have been a beginning of time. An absolute beginning of everything is what comes right after nothing. If there has never been nothing, there can be no beginning. It's so hard trying to rationalize something that falls beyond the realm of reason. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Philosophically speaking nothing is a concept that cannot be grasped by mortal minds because it is a concept so alien as to become irrelevent. But one must wonder what an atheist believes the afterlife, or the lack of one thereof is like. But speaking in physical terms the only place where nothing exists is in the void or the place that is not a place between parallel universes. The void cannot be imagined by any human or other rational mind because it is a place where chaos rules and anarchy reigns. When people think of nothing they think of floating in an abyss where everthing is black and silent but they give too much substence to the void by imagining even thus. As far as empty space being nothing as stated previously stated in certain responses " , the thought of nothing being so substantial as matterless space is ridiculous because space is somthing that can even be measured so OBVIOUSLY is SOMETHING