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    THE FINAL MOST OVERPOWERED CLASS (BUILD) THREAD

    in Pillars of Eternity: General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)

    Posted · Edited by Wodjee

    I should have said: "If we talk about a 'headfirst' playstyle then the rogue is the weakest class". Depends on the definition of power/weakness I'd say.

     

    I was making fun of it anyway. 

     

    The thing is if you really wanted to know which one is the "best" class of this game, you should evaluate every situation and its occurence within the game and analyze performance of every class in these situations, compile all the data in an big excel file and set a ranking out of it to define which is the overall best one ! But I guess noone will ever take the time to do it :-. And still you can interpreter statics in many different ways. Maybe Obsidian is somehow using such kind of data in order to "balance" classes between each others.

     

    So this thread is more about sharing the feeling of everyone about class efficiency more than a scientific evidences based paper !

     

    I've been playing many different RPG games and usually picking up the rogue class. My overall feeling is the rogue class can be very weak on one hand and very strong on the other hand. Basically it is only very powerful at the moment they are locking and taking down a single target. At all other moments its usually quite weak, whenever we talk about PvE or PvP. But honestly that's why I find this class very fun to play, only intense moments, because you either kill someone very fast or die very fast  :no:

    The Ultimate Achievement : One Rogue to rule them all !

    in Pillars of Eternity: General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)

    Posted · Edited by Wodjee

    Well played!

     

    I wonder if there is any way to repeat this without using a weapon to stun and prone?

     

    I would not say it is impossible, but it will greatly reduce your chances to lock down enemies. As I'm starting with 3 constitution, my heatlh is very low. As long as you lock down enemies, the probability to get hit is low. Once you get Sap ability, this becomes less useful, except against Alpine Dragon who is immune to stuns.

     

    It also help you to have more often two debuffs that counts for Deathblows.

     

    So probably doable, but you may have to restart more often from the very begining if you get killed because you could not lock down enemies (Trial of Iron for the win !)

    Classes that can achieve The Ultimate in current game?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted

    Nice.

     

     

    Could you explain your equipment choices? Why are you keeping the Unlabored Blade? 

     

     

    Helm
    - None as I picked up Godlike race.
     
    Tunic
    - Äru-Brekr for first part of the run, because I like every move speed boost and I think it is a good trade off between resistance without a losing too much recovery speed
    - Blaidh Golan for the dragons fights at the end, because it has a low recovery speed penality and it can save your life if you are locked down in a stun or prone (the DR loss does not make much different on huge dragons hits)
     
    Feet
    - Boots of Stealth on the first half of the run when doing stealth moves and Shod in Faith during fights for the healing.
    - Boots of Speed, because mobility is essential for a rogue !
     
    Pet
    - Concelhaut's skull, is there any other pet that actually does something ? :)
     
    Rings
    - Ring of Changing Heart, for its Dominate ability with 2 charges
    - Gwyn's Band of Union, because Intellect is my favorite attribute ! Be careful when Instill Doubt triggers, because if you are under Shadowing beyond effect, this will get you out of stealth ! (Same for Shod In Faith)
    - The Ring of Wonder, a life (run) saver with Second chance when you play with Trial of Iron :-)
     
    Neck
    - Lilith's Shawl, for preception bonus and its faster to get than the Mantle of Excavator
     
    Hands
    - Manipulation gloves, when you must disarm traps and open locked chests
    - Rotfinger Gloves, definitely my favorite gloves because it gives you a double debuff for Sneak attack and Deathblows (and it spreads around!). Also for the AoE ability which you lack a lot as a rogue !
     
    Waist
    - Looped rope, +20 defense on all very annoying attacks is interesting, even more when you drop defensive attributes like I did in this run (Constitution and Resolve)
     
    Weapons set 1
    - We Toki, for the prone ability
    - Godansthunyr, for the stun ability
     
    Weapons set 2
    - Unlabored blade, mainly for its Healing Chain ability (2 charges, that helps healing yourself during fights)
    - Steadfast, for a few moves that requires Immunity to Frightened and Terrified
     
    For most of the fights I used the Weapon set 1. The only fight where I switched Godansthunyr with Unlabored blade was against the Alpine Dragon because it is immune to stuns (also the dagger probably have the highest accuracy in the game).
     
    There is also at the begining of the Llengrath fight where I put weapons set 2 on, because it allows me to have 116 accuracy on Dominate so whatever your roll is, it 100% guarantees at least a graze against the Bog Cult Apprentice (he has 100 Will). Also the Steadfast prevents you from being Frightened which could make your accuarcy drop to 106.
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    The Ultimate Achievement : One Rogue to rule them all !

    in Pillars of Eternity: General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)

    Posted

    Hi Guys,

     

    First of all, let me thank you Obsidian for releasing such an awesome game, that probably makes everyone like me (former player of Infinity engine based RPGs) being able to step by back into childhood by playing this kind of wonderful games !

     

    I stopped playing Pillars Of Eternity like a year ago, until I learnt about backers campaign on DeadFire, which just made me want to play it again ! (By the way, I personally do not care about the actual Deadfire release date, but please try to polish this game as much as you can : it's just going be an awesome game :w00t: !)

     

    After getting back to Pillars of Eternity, I realized that made a lot of different runs that cover most aspects of the game, until I learnt about "The Ultimate" achievement that is probably the only thing that I was missing. So I decided to try it out ! Of course I could not try it with something else than a rogue, because it has always been my favorite class ! To push it a bit farther I decided to start the achievement with 3 base constitution and tried to do the run with the mindset of reducing its overall duration  as much as I could (the idea behind it, was to allow some of you to try it without spending too much time). 

     

    After countless (really countless) hours of strategy fine tuning, I can proudly announce that I could get it done. You can find the full run on YouTube :

     

    -- Do not watch it if you don't want to get spoiled! --

     


     

    The full run lasts about 10 hours. You will be able to see that the idea was to avoid fights as much as possible to save some time and also try to work on pulling from fights only what is necessary to get the achievement. The goal of putting very low constitution as a rogue is to be able to kill opponents before they can actually hit you back ! I tried to apply splitting strategy on most fights, because as a rogue you can land very high damage but mainly on a single enemy.

     

    I hope you will enjoy watching it. If you try it by yourself and get stuck at some point, don't hesitate to ask for advices !

     

    Let me know if you could get "The Ultimate" achievement by following it !

     

    /Cheers

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    Classes that can achieve The Ultimate in current game?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted

    Impressive! 

    Do you know if it's possible to do all bounties using your Shadowing Beyond trick?

     

    PS. It would be nice if you could add more timestamps links to your video (for bounties and maybe some tough low level fights)

     

    1) I've tried to use Shadowing Beyond trick for all bounties, but some of them just seem to be harder than others, I think that is because of the following reasons : Sometimes you just don't have enough space to move around. Also if the enemy you try to pull out is a caster, his aggro check range depends on the attack he tries to trigger, which makes him lose aggro far away from you. So it really depends on what spells is being triggered when you get into combat.  But you can try to do it on the ones I could not pull out properly, maybe you find a consistent way to do it.

     

    2) I've just added timestamps for all the low level fights and bounties.

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    Impossible achievements via Steam

    in Pillars of Eternity: General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)

    Posted · Edited by Wodjee

     

    I've just got "The Ultimate" achievement with a rogue. If you want to get inspired, you can watch the full run here :

     

    Enjoy !

     

     

    Very nice! My heart skipped a beat a few times in the llengrath fight when you got paralysed, when you caught the tail end of the flying dragon's breath and when the slower dragon at the end was about blow your face off with a breath before you got him down.

     

     

    Well the fight with Llengrath that is recorded in this run did not go so well ! For some reasons the Xaurips group that is with the Bog Lurker usually does not aggro when I attack Llengrath, so I usually never get any paralyzing attacks (Concelhaut get them  :no:). Also for the dragon breath I got a bit too close before landing sap, which also never happened to me before...

    Impossible achievements via Steam

    in Pillars of Eternity: General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)

    Posted

    Nice! But why don't you flank more often? Afraid of disengagement attacks (catching those while circling an opponent is really stupid I must admit)?

     

    Well I guess you mean getting the Flanked debuff to allow Sneak attack and Deathblows ? (the -10 deflection does not make so much difference)

     

    To get the flanked debuff, you need a second ally, which is not so easy when you are doing a solo run ! So your only help are the summons. First of all the summons lasts only 20 sec and secondly I mainly use the shade which can apply the blind debuff that also count for Sneak attack.

     

    As you mentionned, the risk with getting in the flanking position is to get disengagement attacks. Also some enemies require to have more than 2 opponents to get flanked.

     

    The thing is I can usually make sure that I've got at least one or debuffs that counts for Sneak attacks / Deathblows just by using class abilities and We Toki / Warhammer combo. For this run I maxed out Intellect (which is my favorite stat !) so it makes all my debuffs last a lot longer. Also for some reasons the flanked debuff is getting suppressed by some other effects sometimes, not sure to know by which one exactly.

     

    So for all those reasons, getting the flanked debuff is not my first concern.

    Cant find the guy who starts the IRON Flail quest

    in Pillars of Eternity: Stories (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted

    Hello there,

     

    If I'm not mistaken, you must first finish The White forge quest (which will finish the White March Part I). After that you should automatically get The Forgotten Army quest. You now have to go out of the White March territory and rest once wherever you want (this will trigger a vision).

     

    After that you can go back to Stalwart and it will automatically start a sequence with Deyran.

     

    Hope this helps.

    The Ultimate Achievement : Peacefully ?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Stories (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted

    Hello guys,

     

    Not sure if someone stated on it already or not but anyway I could not find it. So here is my question on the achievement :

     

    The Ultimate : Complete the White March and Pillars of Eternity, defeat all dragons, all bounties, and both archmages on Expert, Trial of Iron, and Path of the Damned modes without taking any companions after Cilant Lîs.

     

    When it says "defeat", would it work to deal peacefully with some of the encounters ? Like with the Adra Dragon or with Llengrath ?

     

    /cheers.

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