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CaesarCzech
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Please discuss the issues, not each other. Sniping at one another will lead to the closure of this thread.
Understood im just afraid that might be goal of some posters.
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Fiction reflects the real world, whether we like it or not. Even if it's fantasy, it's written by real people for real people.
But it does not have to.
Look i know it can be hard on some people but companies are not obliged to represent you. And point is there is always finite ammount of resources and i dont think Obsidian has endless resources. Furthermore look at the Gay and Lesbian representation, already the 7-8% percent of population gets significant representation(with some extremes such as bioware taking it to 50/50) Especially Compared to the Percentage of the General population. What i want to say is that there are dimishing returns the lower the percentage of the population, you essentially use the resources such as time to create content for The smaller percentage of players and there are dimishing returns when it might not be worth it.
Don't be afraid. You are the norm. You are per-fect-ly normal. I can assure you. It is statistically proven.
Nice attempt to dismiss my argument and imply that im somehow afraid of LGBT people. Im familiar with this type of character assasination
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At this time there's been no indication in any of the links that Obsidian ever got involved, that I can see.
Indeed. At the moment there's an awful lot of jumping to conclusions. That's all really.
And with that said, please lock this thread, dearest moderators.
You know this makes you look bit desperate to avoid backslash. I think it be better for there to be one thread than let it spill out. which would honestly happen if it were percieved people were censoring discusion.
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Ian Miles Cheong, lol.
Anyhow, I've read the comments, and no, they were not just 'conservative opinions'. Many of the 'opinions' expressed were scathingly racist, sexist, xenophobic and slanderous. Moreover, they were expressed on a public forum. If Obsidian did encourage the writer to resign because they didn't want to deal with having those comments linked to their company and their employees, that is entirely within their rights and not the injustice you lot wish to spin it as. It's his fault for not being more careful of the things he expressed in a public medium.
Secondly, the whole idea that this would lead to a game sanitized of controversial themes is frankly a misunderstanding of how any narrative artform works. Characters and even narrators in a narrative medium *do not* usually speak for the author. An author is perfectly capable of creating a racist, sexist, xenophobic, zealous character without sympathizing with those opinions. Do you think that the writers that scripted the possibility for the player to embrace Woedica are zealots? As Sawyer has said in a recent interview, racism against orlans will not magically go away and it is bound to be included *even as a trait for one of your companions*, namely Edér. There is no slippery slope here (and mind that the "slippery slope" isn't called a fallacy for no reason).
Thirdly, this thread was already closed once, why is it even allowed to be open again? Were I a mod I would have closed it immediately as this would go against moderator action. Lock this backwards nonsense, please.
For the record I do think the whole limerick business was blown way out of proportion, I think the joke was widely misunderstood but it was certainly more open to personal interpretation and so on. Less so this case, which is pretty straightforward and in which the context has also been provided to make for the tone and intention.
So According to you Ghazi did nothing wrong ? What opinions were "scathingly racist, sexist, xenophobic and slanderous".
Tell me.
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Fiction reflects the real world, whether we like it or not. Even if it's fantasy, it's written by real people for real people.
it may reflect it but doesn't define it.
May you point me to where I suggested it does? Also, while you're at it, explain how it's relevant.
i think He meant It Isnt defined by it. And that would also be relevant
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Is there a point to all this, apart from recooking old controversies?
i wanted to discuss what this could mean moving forward, It can mean Obsidian will be working very hard to avoid anything controversial, Tiptoing around and that could impact the quality of the writing and story, For example the Raedric hold in PoE 1.
Hell the whole Religion thing in PoE 1.
Seeing how Deadfire begins with a god literally eating our protagonist's soul, I'd say your concerns are entirely groundless. A single person distancing themselves from the company because they said stupid **** on the Internet does not indicate anything. You're just trying to drum up outrage.
I never said that obsidian Will suddenly become EA because of this. Small steps. Im worrying about this being start of the slippery slope
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Fiction reflects the real world, whether we like it or not. Even if it's fantasy, it's written by real people for real people.
it may reflect it but doesn't define it.
How could even fiction define real world ? Fiction is not some reality warping book.
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I love the idea of non-binary characters in fiction. Fiction should reflect the real world, and imagine the narrative possibilities opened up by these folks unique perspective.
I am all for opening up customization options across the genders.
Look i know it can be hard on some people but companies are not obliged to represent you. And point is there is always finite ammount of resources and i dont think Obsidian has endless resources. Furthermore look at the Gay and Lesbian representation, already the 7-8% percent of population gets significant representation(with some extremes such as bioware taking it to 50/50) Especially Compared to the Percentage of the General population. What i want to say is that there are dimishing returns the lower the percentage of the population, you essentially use the resources such as time to create content for The smaller percentage of players and there are dimishing returns when it might not be worth it.
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SJW ruin everything.
Same as trolls and clickbaits.
Coming from Pole. But seriously lets not Derail the thread.
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Sigh... did this really need to be resurrected? Other than giving the name of the writer in question, this article doesn't add anything to what we knew in the thread from yesterday. In particular it doesn't say anything about Obsidian pressuring him to resign*.
*Even if it did I would be suspicious, given the source.
I saw post previously by the writer himself on RpgCodex that he was preassured but cant find him.
Also Im more interested in impact of this controversy moving forward and If this doesnt signal worse quality of story and storyline We all know PoE 1 had some stuff That could offend people. I for one would not want Obsidian to change Thaos or the Gods plotline because it might be controversial. I dont want public perception to degrade the quality of writing by essentially chaining the writers imagination.
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Is there a point to all this, apart from recooking old controversies?
i wanted to discuss what this could mean moving forward, It can mean Obsidian will be working very hard to avoid anything controversial, Tiptoing around and that could impact the quality of the writing and story, For example the Raedric hold in PoE 1.
Hell the whole Religion thing in PoE 1.
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Fiction should reflect the real world
Should it?
No, that restricts creative freedom. it can be if they want it to be, but should it be? no.
Fiction is not obliged to reflect real world and neither is it Obliged to not reflect real world.
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I have no idea what you're on about mate. Try proof read your messages before you post them.
I don't want to be a grammar Nazi or whatever but come on, how can you get everything so wrong!
English is not my first language. I will try to run it throught spell checker and edit it.
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Honestly while these are not Opinions I'd endorse, It doesnt seem to me, That this should have blown up as it has. I'm seriously afraid of what might happen/ Will the situation repeat another time with less controversial remarks because of the slippery slope of Appeasment ?
Will it impact the story ? because if this company encouraged the writer to resign because of this, It could signal that Obsidian will shy away from the deep writing and avoid Philosophical questions and other things that could be considered remotely controversial, and That could make it significantly harder to create Great Game like the KOTOR 2.
I dont even know If Raedric Hold would make it into the game. If PoE 1 were made today,
The Atmosphere certainly changed with certain segment of population believing that Art should not be sorely for Art but for the message and for the influence of said message to "guide" the society.
I think there could be Worthwhile discusion of both this case,what it might signal and in general the direction obsidian might be taking in terms of story, storytelling and ultimately Narrative.
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Thats the Official story. Official stories arent always true.
They also aren't necessarily false either.
I know its possibly its true. But we dont know so far.
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So i guess Kicking People out of jobs for their opinions is okay with you ?. I mean this might just be Sign Obsidian is moving More Mainstream. and we all know what Mainstream means.
There's no evidence that he even left, let alone got kicked. For all we know he's still working on the game. And stop with the strawman and trying to create drama where there isn't.
Im not creating drama i want to know the reality behind the situation.
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So i guess Kicking People out of jobs for their opinions is okay with you ?. I mean this might just be Sign Obsidian is moving More Mainstream. and we all know what Mainstream means.
We don't know that this writer was kicked or even pressured out of their job. It's not a particularly unusual move for a contractor who suddenly finds themselves in the midst of a controversy to step back from their other work of their own volition in order to avoid tangling their clients up in their controversy.
What controversy when he was victim of witchhunt ?
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So the story here is that nutters from Gamerghazi started a witch hunt against some guy who posted some opinions on some website, who was also hired by Obsidian to do some contract work for them. And that's about it.
So i guess Kicking People out of jobs for their opinions is okay with you ?. I mean this might just be Sign Obsidian is moving More Mainstream. and we all know what Mainstream means.
Obsidian didn't do anything. He resigned before they could even react.
Seriously, man. You don't know what you're talking about here. Let it go.
Thats the Official story. Official stories arent always true.
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So the story here is that nutters from Gamerghazi started a witch hunt against some guy who posted some opinions on some website, who was also hired by Obsidian to do some contract work for them. And that's about it.
So i guess Kicking People out of jobs for their opinions is okay with you ?. I mean this might just be Sign Obsidian is moving More Mainstream. and we all know what Mainstream means.
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Yeah, this doesn't seem like Eric. I'm seeing no concrete connection with this potential hire being Eric. He left amicable and he has been back amicably. Why is everything being framed around Eder's writer. Who's information was actually posted, where did the connection to Eder start? Was it this thread title?
It's not Eric. I figured out who it was with a little digging, but since the name hasn't been mentioned in this thread I agree with Flow that it's best if it's not.
I have no idea where the idea that this was Edér's writer came from.
Okay So i was Mistaken In Identity of writer. But i was not mistaken in the fact Writer was "Resigned" for his opinions.
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Hi guys, it's true - Eric no longer works at Obsidian, and it was completely amicable. He just had a baby and is going to be home with family. It's possible he may do some more writing in the future though, you never know.
to write Edér. Can we stop with all the nonsense now?
So its not Eric But Writer Was still Resigned because of personal Opinions.
I dont know about you but while thats less concerning that if it were Eric its still Quite concerning.
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Yeah, this doesn't seem like Eric. I'm seeing no concrete connection with this potential hire being Eric. He left amicable and he has been back amicably. Why is everything being framed around Eder's writer. Who's information was actually posted, where did the connection to Eder start? Was it this thread title?
OP is doing this entire community a disservice. We don't need to frame out the whole If-else flow chart of what ifs. If you don't have the facts, don't premise with what ifs. If you do have concrete stuff, cite it. Make it obvious.
See Above. I still think it Was Eric but Person claiming Itself Informed Claims This happened
1) A writer was hired recently to do some contract writing work for Deadfire
2) That writer's posting history at RPG Codex was uncovered and posted by parties unknown
3) The writer decided he didn't want his opinions causing problems for Obsidian and resigned
4) There is NO evidence anyone at Obsidian asked him to resign
Imho Official story.
If It turns Its not Eric. I ask mods to Change the Thread title to simply
So Obsidian Writer "Resigns" Because of his opinions and it appears this is similar situation to Firedorn LimerickImho while the Eric part was Concerning, I believe the whole situation Will still be Concerning if it turns im Wrong and The Write "Resigned" is not Eric.
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Uh... the writer in question is NOT Eric Fenstermaker, folks.
Please don't start rumors if you don't have all the facts.
Wait which one is it If its not him ? It seems to me its Definitely Eric
Anyways If you are right(Im not sure about that)that actually confirms the rest with writer being resigned because of his views.
I'm not going to name names at this point since the whole thing needs to die, but here are the facts.
1) A writer was hired recently to do some contract writing work for Deadfire
2) That writer's posting history at RPG Codex was uncovered and posted by parties unknown
3) The writer decided he didn't want his opinions causing problems for Obsidian and resigned
4) There is NO evidence anyone at Obsidian asked him to resign
So you are not Going To post names because you want the whole thing buried ?
Why Would you want it BURIED If Obsidian Did Nothing wrong ? If It would absolve them of guilt there is no reason to try to direct this thread into obscurity.
Also Do you always believe official stories ? Furthermore I seriously fail to grasp what Problems might Obsidian face if He didnt resign, Can you enlighten me on that Topic ?
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No its no equivalent i was just saying it was Obsidian backing down over backlash, and they may be going it again.
Essentially just precedents not complete similarity.
Obsidian did not back down because they did not write the controversial thing in question. I don't see why they should go to bat for somebody who is not them. They gave the guy a chance to respond and he did. And that was that.
Firing employees over stuff that is not even in your game is something else entirely. You are already insisting you have confirmation that what you say is true when you are not even sure who it is you are even talking about.
I was merely saying That Obsidian Backed Down Once. It Makes sense They would also Back Down Another time especially for things that Certain groups may see as more serious, Never i implied that these Things are EXACTLY THE SAME. i WAS JUST POINTING OUT The Common Thread. The Common Link. namely Obsidian backing down.
Okay so Here is What Actually happened with Obsidian Writer that "Resigned"
in Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)
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You are not fan of interracial sexual relations ? As for the Unmarried Muslim men thing, I dont see what is racist about Suggesting EU should adopt Canada Refugee policy. And the black woman things can be simply two fetishes. one for married women. I seen such people and i dont apreciate your kink shaming.