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So I went digging through the companion data text files out of curiosity, and Eder is definitely not player romance-able, which is gonna be a major bummer to a lot of people. He also doesn't get together with Xoti, it seems, which will cheer everyone up again until the read the next part.
... He can, however, and as a disclaimer I haven't gotten it to trigger in-game yet so I don't know if this is actually implemented or not, but he can get together with
Iselmyr, even though she's in Aloth's body. Aloth is rather unenthused about this and talks to you about it. Personally, I think that's a bit icky for poor Aloth. Also, Eder constantly states he doesn't like dudes, and Iselmyr is kinda permanently in a man's body as a secondary personality. >.>
Poor Watcher tho, no Eder for him/her.
You got any information for a Pallegina romance?
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If this is all true, so much for "nuanced" romances.
Yep... they are not nuanced at all.
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From what I have seen - I've watched a plethora of streams - they seen really meh..., no one makes interesting interdictions like Durance, they don't view the world too differently, like Durance did, so their comments are rather... expected.
BUT they all have incredible voice acting. Maia, Serafen and Aloth are my favourites. -
I believe that Pallegina is a romanceable option but a really tough one, why? Because Josh wrote her.
Josh hates romances so I wouldn't hold my breath. However, I seem to vaguely recall a mention that some romance options are something like "not now, maybe later". So maybe something happens near the end of the game? But then again, I wouldn't hold my breath.
That is exactly the reason to why I think she is romanceable. Because Josh hates shallow romances - he stated that on a bunch of interviews -, so the idea of making a tough romance, a romance that demands commitment from the player, from the beginning to the end, is a idea that is compatible to Josh.
Xoti and Tekehu, from what I've seen, are really easy romances, so they go against the main idea behind romances in Deadfire, the idea that Josh explicit stated "no shallow romances", so they need at least one tough and meaningful romance, perhaps Edér falls in the same category.
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I believe that Pallegina is a romanceable option but a really tough one, why? Because Josh wrote her.
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From what I saw from Cohh's streams (he's playing human male) there was a flirting option with Eder, but he didn't pick it.
Tekehu straight on came on at him but Cohh rebuked him. Also Tekehu flirted with just about anybody, seems he's a promiscuous kinda of guy. I got the Iron Bull vibe from him. Personally, I hate it when romances are aggressively shoved down the players throats like that.
Xoti is definitely romance able. She seemed to have some feelings towards Eder at first, but Cohh was nice to her so she got together with him instead. It was kinda cringy and short, and somewhat out of nowhere. So to people who are expecting something groundbreaking out of romances - don't.
Receiving a non-agressive flirt is now a romance "aggressively shoved down the players throats"... the things we read on this forum...
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I'm watching his stream. He shooted a barrel called "gunpowder barrel" and got surprised that it exploded and killed his character, this guy is almost finishing the game on PotD. I end my case here.
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It has nothing to do with Health. Nothing. At all.
You still need to mitigate damage, because if you do not care about that you are going to get stump pretty bad because you will not be able to heal as fast as you are taking damage. Especially true for those really squishy characters that might be tagging along with you, to the remote corners of Eora.
If you do not die inside the fight, it does not matter, ultimately. Because you will end up resting after anyway. Which is pointless if you have to do it for no other reasons than attrition.
If you tell me that it is more realistic like that than I would also point out it would be more realistic if every time you get seriously cut by a sword, you were confined to bed for many weeks, most likely. After all, it would be more difficult ! You will have to still pay your crew and feed them while still in bed… Time to become an Eora’s merchant !
By the way, in all seriousness, you did not address any of the points I made in the post you quoted. For someone complaining about not being read appropriately earlier, you should really try to get the points I try to make and other people for that matter.
I have already watched it. Not all of it. But enough of it to get the gist of it.
In all seriousness, he could play better, but he is trying to be entertaining and most likely trying to keep up with the chat at the same time as he is playing. So, I do understand.
Sure, he does spam healing spells, but it is clearly not the best strategy. He does not even utilize crowd control, really, which is supposed to be why you tag along Aloth. The best way to play these games is to mitigate damage, not healing it.
He often gets away with it because, if you watch it carefully, his main character, though badly build, is still pretty powerful. Particularly if you consider the fact he has access to no less than something akin to five Second Wind with his animal forms.
It is also pretty interesting to notice that he is almost consistently on the brink of death. With no resources left to heal back up.
"You still need to mitigate damage, because if you do not care about that you are going to get stump pretty bad because you will not be able to heal as fast as you are taking damage. Especially true for those really squishy characters that might be tagging along with you, to the remote corners of Eora." That is what I'm trying to explain, Cohhcarnage is able to just heal up his mistakes, and that should not be the case since we are playing a game based on CRPG and not something like Skyrim.
"If you do not die inside the fight, it does not matter, ultimately. Because you will end up resting after anyway. Which is pointless if you have to do it for no other reasons than attrition." If you reach 0 endurance and 0 health in POE 1 your character will die.
"In all seriousness, he could play better, but he is trying to be entertaining and most likely trying to keep up with the chat at the same time as he is playing. So, I do understand." Meh... Nerdcommando does that and he plays well enough.
"Sure, he does spam healing spells, but it is clearly not the best strategy. He does not even utilize crowd control, really, which is supposed to be why you tag along Aloth. The best way to play these games is to mitigate damage, not healing it. " And he is being able to destroy the PotD difficult with that strategy you think that is good? Sure the PotD is not balanced, Josh said that, but that wasn't the case for the Hard difficult in PoE 1. Aloth is an amazing Battlemage, you should try using him like that.
"He often gets away with it because, if you watch it carefully, his main character, though badly build, is still pretty powerful. Particularly if you consider the fact he has access to no less than something akin to five Second Wind with his animal forms." His build is ok.
"It is also pretty interesting to notice that he is almost consistently on the brink of death. With no resources left to heal back up." And he don't die... because of the new health system.
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I mean the guy is throwing a tantrum and you can mock all you want but he is right at least partially, Heals seem to be too strong in deadfire and this essentially the health/endurance change's fault(wow another injury based system is a failure, you'd think Tyranny would've taught them otherwise) and perhaps poor balacing of the spells themselves and HAS NOTHING to do with the rest system itself, and it seems enough to trivialise the game maybe.
Based on Cohh stream, the game on POTD seems MUCH MUCH easier than poe on POTD. Basically if coh was playing the way he is now on POE POTD he'd wipe every 2 or 3 fights, but he seems to breezing throught he game overall, that would be fine on normal, maybe on Hard. But not POTD. Hope mods or an early patch fix this.
Yes, I have to admit I got quite angry, mainly because no one was reading my FIRST comment so I had to repeat myself 8 times. You explained my case quite well, thank you.
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I thought that people on this forum read more than just the title. It seems I was wrong.
****ing hell, people don't even read the first comment? Health system is the main problem here, they already showed a end-game dungeon and it was easy because of the constantly heals.I haven't played the beta but I'm certain that the difficulty doesn't stay the same throughout the game. Keep your pants on and enjoy the masterpiece when it's out tomorrow.
Do you really expect people not to talk about the subject you yourself put in the title? If only thing you're interested in talking about is the healing, name your thread like that. A thread titled "Game looks incredibly easy" (which I very much agree with, but it's already been discussed) is just asking for trouble.
You post a thread calling the game easy.
Someone responds saying we've only seen the first part of the game, and the rest might not be that easy.
You lash out at them, after they merely responded to the topic in question.
Just lol mate. Just lol.
I post a thread calling the game easy.
I comment explaining why the game is easy - mainly because of the new health system.
People don't read the explanation.
People lash out me, after reading just the title.
Just lol mate. Just lol.
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****ing hell, people don't even read the first comment? Health system is the main problem here, they already showed a end-game dungeon and it was easy because of the constantly heals.I haven't played the beta but I'm certain that the difficulty doesn't stay the same throughout the game. Keep your pants on and enjoy the masterpiece when it's out tomorrow.
Do you really expect people not to talk about the subject you yourself put in the title? If only thing you're interested in talking about is the healing, name your thread like that. A thread titled "Game looks incredibly easy" (which I very much agree with, but it's already been discussed) is just asking for trouble.
I thought that people on this forum read more than just the title. It seems I was wrong.
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O plz STFU.
I have a triple frozen crown under my belt, and during battles I've never had to worry about health. Only after the battles or before an important battle, should I rest? Should I go to town? But never during a fight.
So yes, they are removing an aspect of the game, but removing and saying it's easier it's like saying you want "emcumbrance" in PoE because every other RPG has it.
Wow! A triple frozen crown! You are so good!
And no, I'll not "STFU".
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By the way, I believe there is one more thing that is quite interesting with the setup we do have right now : it would be much easier for them to adjust - aka increase or decrease if necessary - the difficulty for each difficulty setting since they can now know for a fact what you are going to have available to you in each and every encounter. At least most likely. Especially so if you choose to activate level scaling, since the encounter will be basically at the ideal level for your party. Each time.
You should also consider that you have, in fact, less spells and other abilities to heal you in Deadfire than you did in Pillars I, for any crucial encounter since those have a lower amount. Instead of casting five to six spells of level one, you might only be able to cast three, perhaps four ? And spells tend to have a longer casting time, and have longer recovery, too...
I mean, I hardly see the problem the more I think about it ^^"
No, you have a bunch of healling spells, if you want, you can watch cohhcarnage he is just spamming heals. You can use consecrated grounds 3 times in just one fight.
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I saw him playing, he is playing a really strong multiclass, probably one of the best out there, and its true that it seams easy some times, but it's mostly against low lvl enemies, so you could enable level scaling if you think that will make the game more challenging for your.
He has hight armor without speed penalty, bonus unnarmed damage, a speed buff with a lighting leash, his own passive lighting leash, and each time he changes form he heals for half hp. Its close in power to a solo run build.
Nah, the main problem is the health system, he is just spamming heal spells. The last fight I saw: he was almost dying, then he proceeded to use consecrated grounds, holy radiance and restore minor endurance, his entire party was full health again, just after that he used his build to melt the enemy. After the combat he didn't need to rest and his tank was ok. If it was PoE 1 he would have to at least watch out for his health, which can't receive heals over and over again.
Soooo… Essentially the problem, if I understand correctly, is that he does not need to rest between each or most fights, is that it ?
Because at the end of the day, that the spells and abilities heal Health or Endurance, in Pillars or Deadfire, it changes nothing unless the fight really drags out or you keep pushing for one more encounter before you rest.
For instance, I do not believe, even for once, in all my games in Path, that Edér was harmed so badly that I had to rest for him. I would always end up resting for other party members, and not even because of health but because I ran out of some necessary spells against some creatures, like those afflicting the party with Charmed, Dominated, Paralysis, Petrified, etc.
Many of those issues just make Pillars I sometimes an exercise in frustration because the game was always slowed down unnecessarily for no good reason.
If each encounter is some kind of challenge of its own, it would be much better at the end of the day, I’d wager.
It is a video game after all. It is not tabletop. Some mechanics have to adapt to the medium at some point.
No the main problem is that we don't have Health to worry about anymore, we don't need to use buffs to diminish damage received, we don't need to watch out for debuffs, we can just heal, because we only have endurance now.
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"The change of the health system make healing spells way powerfull, I can't comprehend the reason to why they changed the decent health system of the first game."
May I inquire why do you claim that it is an issue with health system (a fan of endurance/health for the record). I didn't watch the stream (spoilers!) but from what you describe it doesn't seem like an issue with health system. The only thing that old system did was force player to take a rest every couple fights - which is not a difficulty. At most its a bother if you need to run back to town for supplies, though from my experience those were generously given to the player easily allowing for one rest per map. It was very unlikely to run out of endurance in one encounter. So my question to you is: are encounters themselves easier, or does the streamer simply rest less?
If multitude of healing is indeed a problem, then it's casting system's fault. You can cast all the healing spells you have every encounter. Again, in my experience in beta, it comes at cost of not casting other very beneficial spells. Consecrated Ground is super good if you hold your ground, but many enemies had deadly AoE spells which would force me to move (or move me around with various pull/push abilities).
But u can die in first game if run out of health, in Deadfire u will never die if u can heal up.
Really? Die in PoE1? If you take a lot of damage in PoE1 and not rest you will die. If you take a lot of damage in PoE2 and not rest you will die. I died once in PoE1 in my 3 playthroughs. I died many more times in Deadfire beta... though mostly to traps.
You can't heal your health in PoE 1, if it reaches 0 the character can't keep fighting and if endurance and health reaches 0 the character dies, PoE 2 has no health just endurance so you can just spam heals and don't care about the damage, thus you don't need to pay attention to buffs and debuffs.
Example: a big boss hits Edér for 80 damage.
If it was PoE 1: cast a heal spell, but his health is still down you need to put some buffs on him, more deflection is a good option or debuff the boss, less acc is a good option.
PoE 2: there is no health I can just spam a heal.
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Having to constantly burn resources (including potions- ive seen him go through quite a lot of those, despite priest, druid (and autoheals from form shift) and second wind) and action time on heals doesn't sound all that easy to me.
It looks more like he's barely keeping up. all those healing spells are eating, buffs, debuffs and damage spells that could be thrown.
Oi. I haven't watched the stream (going in blind!), but that makes it sound pretty hard. Sounds like he's taking a ton of damage - look at it this way - if a healing priest, druid, abilities and potions couldn't keep you alive, we'd have a problem.
It's because he is not using any buffs, I've seen him using circle of protection and that was it. He don't realize that giving more deflection to your character is way more beneficial than to just heal up. But, despite that, he is making progress, that shows how powerfull heals are.
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I don't know if you noticed but you basicaly said: "it's better because it's easier now, we don't have to pay attention to the damage taken like we did in PoE 1".
I didn't say it was easier, i said you dont have to lose 5 minutes of your life going to town if you get out of resting supplies. The only think i am triing is to give you options for making the game more challenging and fun for you, since it is "too easy if you can heal when you have healing spells".
No, I never said "too easy if you can heal when you have healing spells", I said that the change in the health system made healing way more powerfull.
If you don't need to pay attention on the damage taken in easy battles, because the endurence gets filled up after the combat, and in hard battles you can just spam heals that makes the game easy.
On PoE 1 you had to pay attention to your deflection, reflex and fortitude, and the enemy's acc because you had to diminish the damage taken because of your health, heal was important but just one part of the health system.
The new health system ripped the game of an important strategical aspect that he once had. It looks a lot more casual now. But hey, people don't want a challenge, only a small number of players play on PotD actually nobody cares about this thread. I don't even know why I'm wasting my time discussing it.
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You've explained that *you believe* it is bad. That you have to repeat yourself suggests you haven't actually convinced anyone.
Nah, it's because people don't even read the first comment:
"The change of the health system make healing spells way powerfull, I can't comprehend the reason to why they changed the decent health system of the first game."
This is part of my first comment. I dind't said "I believe" it's bad.
Interesting is that only one person said anything about the health system so far.
Watch some of Cohhcarnage's videos or the last Q&A - that shows a end-game dungeon -, and see for yourself the new health system.
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I saw him playing, he is playing a really strong multiclass, probably one of the best out there, and its true that it seams easy some times, but it's mostly against low lvl enemies, so you could enable level scaling if you think that will make the game more challenging for your.
He has hight armor without speed penalty, bonus unnarmed damage, a speed buff with a lighting leash, his own passive lighting leash, and each time he changes form he heals for half hp. Its close in power to a solo run build.
Nah, the main problem is the health system, he is just spamming heal spells. The last fight I saw: he was almost dying, then he proceeded to use consecrated grounds, holy radiance and restore minor endurance, his entire party was full health again, just after that he used his build to melt the enemy. After the combat he didn't need to rest and his tank was ok. If it was PoE 1 he would have to at least watch out for his health, which can't receive heals over and over again.
Well, when i played the beta if i was a little behind in power i usually got crashed, mostly no time to heal up, if you were ok you can just sustain in easy fight. Not so much in hard, long ones.
It usually went:
Option 1 you win easy
Option 2 you win healling with a hard start and then goes easy
Option 3 they crash you / cc combo you and you cant heal up fast enought
Option 4 Hard fight and it goes ok until you burn your resources and then you go dawn.
Its true.. that in pillars 1 you have to keep locking into the health, and some times you had to rest or even get out to the tavern to "buy more rests" but in hard fights you will rest before and go with your full hp and stamina, you will have a limit heal amount by stamina instead of just for resources but you will have way more resources in that fight.
So the only real change is that you dont have to break the inmersion to get out of the dungeon, cross the sea, buy more resting items and go back. That will be worse design in my opinion. And players in poe 1 tried to avoid all damage to reduce the number of rests for that reason.
Its just my opinion of course. And you have a lot of ways to make the game harder for yourself if you want, restrict to a single healer, or not using healers .. (that seams a nice challenge), set level scaling on .. or in the worst case scenario, go to the bb_global file and set potd damage from 100% to 150%.
I don't know if you noticed but you basicaly said: "it's better because it's easier now, we don't have to pay attention to the damage taken like we did in PoE 1".
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****ing hell, people don't even read the first comment? Health system is the main problem here, they already showed a end-game dungeon and it was easy because of the constantly heals.
Not sure if you perhaps have reading difficulties or not, but an increased difficulty requires increased healing.
I explained 4 times by now why the health system is bad, try reading some of the comments. Or you have difficulties reading?
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I haven't played the beta but I'm certain that the difficulty doesn't stay the same throughout the game. Keep your pants on and enjoy the masterpiece when it's out tomorrow.
****ing hell, people don't even read the first comment? Health system is the main problem here, they already showed a end-game dungeon and it was easy because of the constantly heals.
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I saw him playing, he is playing a really strong multiclass, probably one of the best out there, and its true that it seams easy some times, but it's mostly against low lvl enemies, so you could enable level scaling if you think that will make the game more challenging for your.
He has hight armor without speed penalty, bonus unnarmed damage, a speed buff with a lighting leash, his own passive lighting leash, and each time he changes form he heals for half hp. Its close in power to a solo run build.
Agreed, shifter has besf natural armor in early game. High AR, 0 recovery time. With both lash from monk and wildstrike. Imo they should tune lash a bit, sadly most lash abilities stays what they were in the first game.
The shifter build on the first game was also that powerfull, but it was a glass cannon, if any enemy wizard focused you, you and your cat form would be melted, in this game you just need to put consecrated grounds and spam any fast cast heal. You don't have your health to worry about just endurance, again I don't understand why they changed the health system...
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I saw him playing, he is playing a really strong multiclass, probably one of the best out there, and its true that it seams easy some times, but it's mostly against low lvl enemies, so you could enable level scaling if you think that will make the game more challenging for your.
He has hight armor without speed penalty, bonus unnarmed damage, a speed buff with a lighting leash, his own passive lighting leash, and each time he changes form he heals for half hp. Its close in power to a solo run build.
Nah, the main problem is the health system, he is just spamming heal spells. The last fight I saw: he was almost dying, then he proceeded to use consecrated grounds, holy radiance and restore minor endurance, his entire party was full health again, just after that he used his build to melt the enemy. After the combat he didn't need to rest and his tank was ok. If it was PoE 1 he would have to at least watch out for his health, which can't receive heals over and over again.
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Game looks incredibly easy on the eyes.
No, not on the eyes,
Thanks for the clarification. I feel so dumb now.
What about the rest of my argument? You will respond to 5% of it? Really?
Azzuro The Magician
in Pillars of Eternity: General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)
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Hello everyone! I'm aware that the forum isn't visited anymore, but I still wanted to share with you a humorous yet incredibly frustating occurence that happened to me.
I have a total of 675.5 hours in Pillars of Eternity and I've only seen Azzuro twice. During my first playthrough, with 190 hours, he never showed up.