[KOTOR 2 (lots of bugs) ok BUT]

Hi all i was just wondering about the most basic of stuff(bugs ) u see un kotor2 that shouldnt be there

 

This isnt a rant about quests, story, ending and whatnot.

 

Lol have u seen if u have 1 normal lightsaber in your hands when u fight with Jal Shei and such armours that your char has only 1 hand on the lightsaber, lol the other 1 is like half a foot away cluching nothing.

 

Lol another is where u have a double lightsaber(staff) and your char (if male) does a florish he lol kills himself every time- lol i mean he cuts his hand ,foot, and head by the time he finished the florish.

 

Lol what about the goofy and unrealistic way your char runs with a lit LS(staff) in his hand lol i mean he is sticking it half of the time in the groud and the other half in his foot lol

 

For the last 2 thats what i like about the first KOTOR, he hald the Lsaber like any1 would hold a shord of energy(away from him )

[A question...]

Guy kills your friend, he get cought he goes to trial, he get off because of some technichality

 

you FEEL that justice was not served

 

justice has to do with your moral code, which is tied with your emotions(feelings)

 

since every1 has a diff moral code or lac off

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I'm not feeling justice in that example, I'm feeling anger and frustration.

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lol this sould be really simple "

 

Why did the jedi think that it was unjust for the thugs to atack the child??

 

how do u know if something is just or unjust (right or wrong)-u evalute your FEELINGs on the matter

 

U cant know about justice if u dont have emotions(feelings) i mean if u dont feel u dont CARE

 

If u see a child killed, u can fell sad or happy(lol if ur a psychopath) but if u dont have any emotions u wont care earther way, the wind blowing harder could be something more important for u then the child

[A question...]

Guy kills your friend, he get cought he goes to trial, he get off because of some technichality

 

you FEEL that justice was not served

 

justice has to do with your moral code, which is tied with your emotions(feelings)

 

since every1 has a diff moral code or lac off

[A question...]

if he sees a child being assaulted by some thugs, why would he interfere UNLESS he FEELS simpathy for the child

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Perhaps a sense of justice.

 

Look at Qui-Gon in Episode 1, he left Anakin's mother behind, although no doubt he did feel sympathy and could have easily taken them both along with him. He did what was "right", at least right according to slaver laws (or whatever) on Tatooine at the time.

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Justice is also an emotion, maybe u were thinking about the Law??

[The Light Side Rules]

You do know that the instictual responce oh human IS the dark side dont you?

 

Happyness salvation and morality are all from your point of view, whats good for me might not be for some guy in somalia

 

Also man is in his esence a killer not a savior, we are killing our planet we are killing ourselfs (crime,wars) and we prob killed millins of species on this planet(because i want my house to have a better view and i dont like that forest to obstruct my view)

 

And the instictual response when some1 steps in your space(verbaly, phisicaly) is to knock his teeth flying, not to turn the other chek( we can discipline ourselfs to"turn the other chek) but its not instinct.

[A question...]

"I've got a bad feeling about this"

 

Star Wars most used line... and absolutely no emotion in the feeling...  "

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lol

Compasion

Mercy

 

the sith say that the jei are these things.

 

now what do u supose those are??

 

They are emonions.

 

A droid will not FEEL any of those unlass u prog it to respond to that scenarion

 

Now if Jedis nad no emotions then why would they grat mercy, its ilogical, (Jedis mind if he has no emonions)he is my enemy , i kill him, then no more enemy, mecy complicates things

 

lol i mean it doesnt make sense, WHY WOULD THE JEDI HELP PLP IF THEY DONT HAVE EMOTIONS

 

why would they care

 

if he sees a child being assaulted by some thugs, why would he interfere UNLESS he FEELS simpathy for the child

 

lol since simpathy is an emotion, and if jedi dont listen to them he wouldnt care now would he??

[Exile-Character Story??]

This is my bigest prob with the game

 

here is a post from Ynrais- which i agree totally

 

 

"That's not the impression I got.

 

How can a force bond form if you can't manipulate the force? How can two people who can't feel the force experience a bond? Why would the masters seek to remove the force from one who cannot feel the force?

 

The exile can create force bonds both with force sensitives and non-sensitives.

 

The exile carries with them the pain of the death of a world, pain great enough to have killed the exile had they not stopped listening to the force.

 

The masters believed that the exile was a wound, and empty void that would draw upon the force from others with a hunger, believing it to be of the dark side. The wound was created by the death of those the exile had bonds with, and the death of a world.

 

But there also seemed to be overtones that the grand scale of death created a loud noise of the background of the force such that it drowns out the force itself.

 

The fact that in some of the dialogue options with Krea early on seem to mention the force sounding as if it's coming from a great distance (hard to hear over the din of pain)

 

I think the masters were being arrogant. Certainly they've killed too, which contributes to the problem they accuse the exile of. Death is a natural thing, maybe not always naturally caused but it still happens, and it would still diminish the force. Perhaps they don't sense the force in the exile because the pain of loss drowns it out? The ithorian force adept senses the exiles pain, I also think force sensitives would have noticed if the exile was siphoning from them, the force bond could be likened to a power conduit and you can usually tell if a wire is live and which direction current is flowing. The exile however is used to the pain and can hear the force over the sound.

 

You can't sever what's not connected in the first place. The masters attempting to sever the MC from the force would have failed if the MC wasn't already part of the force. If the exile truely is outside the force, then they'd only sever the bonds in which case the exile could just form new ones. If the MC severs themselves again before the council attempts to cut them off how could they touch the force in the MC where they need to in order to sever the tie? Most of the other expanded universe that deals with the subject seems to suggest that they don't take the force away so much as they put blinders on the target. Again how can they see where to put the blinders if the MC disappears from their force sight?

 

If Krea were severed by the masters, and by Sion and Nihilus how did she regain her power? Or did she never really lose her power and just lied to the exile? How can two force stripped persons create a force bond if neither can use the force?

 

I never got the impression that the exile couldn't feel the force, just that the masters were blinded by their own misconceptions. Their own superiority which is what allowed Krea to get the drop on them. "

[K2, a couple of BIG probs with the game]

OK, hi every1, i just wanted to pass some of the things i found wierd in the game to outright stupid

 

 

RANT ON

 

1)I understand about the Exiles history being hiden at the begining of the game and that you have to figure it out as the game progreses(and i actually agree with how the did this)

 

What i DONT agree with is the way they make u belive one thing at the begining of the game and after a couple of planets they throw the befive right in your face

 

(At the bigining of the game u find out that ur this ex-jedi(while every1 for some reson think u ARE still a jedi) but any who fought in Man wars nad trought something or another lost his conn with the force at M5 and then we meet kreia and we leard about a bond with her and i begin to think that u have discovered your conn with the force again(which is totaly a lie) but the game make us belive this for half if it. I mean u even have some dialog octions with the Masters "But i have regained my conn with the force blah blah"

 

I mean is the Exile a complete moron not to actually remember how it was to be conn with the force and how it fells now that hes only leaching it of others??

 

2) The idea of influence in this game (beside being totally ilogic) is idiotic.

 

I mean if u create bond storng enough with others that they do whatever u do, and plp like Visas who is a sith when u meet her but if ur LS she becomes LS in like 2 secs- i mean she changes her whole outlook on like her thinking everything in 2 secs because the power u have with this bond

 

Now the idea of u trying wo with influence with other npcs(by being nice with them ) becomes idiotic i mean if they change their whole LS-DS in 2 secs of being with u, and that means their whole outlook onl live and everytihng. THEN why dont u make them (feel think love and whatever) the same way instead of the influence thing ??????

 

RANT OFF

 

Well about everything i can think about now but dont worry ill come back with something else soon (w00t)

[Why can't Bao Dur wear jedi robes?]

Now we are Humans of Planet Earth. Are we to be refered to as "Humans" or "Earthlings"...?

 

And wouldn't both be correct?

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true in a that on earth there are ONLY humans, but in the SW galaxy there atre 100s of species an 1000s of diff worlds

 

i mean a Zabrak born on Corelia would be what??

[Why can't Bao Dur wear jedi robes?]

Zabrak live on the planet Iridonia  "

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lol ..all of them in the entire galaxi??

 

and beside the its not the point, Jabba the Hutt lives on Tatooine but wouldnt rever to him as a Tatooinian now would u??

 

but anyway Bao Dur isnt living on iridonia atm and who to say he was born there anyway, because he never tell us that

[Why can't Bao Dur wear jedi robes?]

I do have a little question about Bao-Dur , in the game kreia and every1 else calls him a Iridonian while he is crearly a Zebrak

[Exile-Character Story??]

I think that the Exile does bond with people who feel the Force, which gives him access to it. It's a TYPE of Force Bond, but he does it willie-nillie, which gave him access to the Force again through the other people/things/places that he connected to.

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True here BUT only if hes LS

 

With the DS he does almost the same as Nihilus

BUT with a diff perspective between them

 

Nihilus NEEDS to feed otherwise he dies.

 

The Exile , being an evil guy, doesnt do because he needs to, (because he lived for 10 years without the force so thats not it) he only does it because he CAN and for the power it brings him DS

[Exile-Character Story??]

Ragh! So much explaining and arguing to do, so little time!!!!

 

The Exile forms bonds. When people you're bonded to die, it leaves a 'hole' in you (so says Jedi Masters and Kreia). So, the Exile bonds with a lot of peeps; they die, and (s)he becomes a giant hole, like somebody unplugging the giant bath tub of the Force.

 

I could explain more, but I don't have the time right now, but let me just say the the Exile doesn't mimic the Sith Assassins, they mimic him/her.

 

Edit: Okay, I've got more time now. (BTW: I haven't the time to be 'politically correct', so, for the Exile, the 'he' could also mean 'she' if your Exile is a female, just so that I avoid any trouble; as far as I'm concerned, neither Revan nor the Exile could/should have any set gender, since that'll only cause issues).

 

The Exile does not leech life (yet), they just 'connect' to people, and sap the Force off of them, which gives them back their Force Sensitivity (and, perhaps, also broke through whatever 'wall' the Dark Side version of cutting off the Force built around Kreia; the Jedi, when they cut off the Force from somebody, actually just build a 'wall' of LS energy around them, 'feeding' their body the Force, but not permitting them to use it, like those gum things that have nicotine, but not 'real' nicotine: it gives it to them, but it's far from the same thing).  So, the Exile sucks off the Force from people, but not yet life, although he starts if he goes to the Dark Side.

 

Now, Nihilus is the great chemistry lesson of this game. For any highschool sophomores, most of you should have learned by now about ATP (if you haven't, don't worry, you probably will soon enough; I did back then. But, if you don't, then don't worry: I'll explain it to you now. ).  ATP has 3 'phosphate groups' bound together, which takes quite a bit of energy. When you break the seal on one of the phosphate groups, all the energy that it was holding to keep it attached is released in a brilliant, energy producing, 'flash'. Let's look at what Nihilus does in that light. Visas (and Kreia, I believe) says that Nihilus kills things, feeding off the energy that the separation of them and life (or the Force and life, or the Force and them, or any one of those). Basically, he's forcing the reaction to occur, breaking the seal on one of the phosphate groups to release a lot of energy, which he merrily gobbles up. The only real difference between ATP and Nihilus' life-sucking powers: ATP can have that phosphate group reattached at a later date, making it entirely reusable, whereas Nihilus' victim isn't likely to come back to life any time soon, leaving the broken seal just like that: broken.

 

Well, I really just wasted a bit of everybody's time, but if you actually lack a life so much as to read my stuff, ask questions or argue with it. If I'm wrong about something, I'd like to know, so that I can revise stuff.

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I agree with you.

 

The only thing i would add is that the Exile does not create FORCE BONDS with those around him, he canot create something of the force since he is is basecly a more controled version of Nihilus meaninf hes a wound in the force lol the bath tub thing is a great anology

 

About the bonds themselfs i belive and it it hinted in the game by the masters that the Exile has an inate way NOT conected through the force but something like an EMPATH to bond with plp.

 

With this kinda bond i think he is able to well READ a pesons mind, learn his tachniques and powers and use the exces force of the persond to fuel those powers..for a time until he need to get some more, this is the LS version

 

Now for DS its virutally the same with the bond eg..remember when he fights the masters and kreia tells him about thewir styles and tachs , well i think at that point he created the bond with those plp and downloaded the info right out(lol for a better term)Anyway with the DS he just sucks the force right out of plp when he kills them, and i dont mean only the masters ( as yoda said "everything is connected throught the force") so even the thugs and plp he kill have some conection to the Force that he can feed on.

 

 

Well thats what i think anyway he is like a spunge that absorbes the force , but that spunge is gona run dry after awhile and he has to do it again.

 

I also do not belive the idea of some plp that the Exile get his connection through the force back, little with little as the game progreses BECAUSE if he had any connection with the force when he meets Nihilus he would have beed sucked dry on the spot and killed.

[Exile-Character Story??]

so the diff between the DS and LS char is what he feeds on lol i a DS feeds on DS power and steals experience related to that, but what about a LS what does he feed on?? good intentions?? lol

[Exile-Character Story??]

ya i got it, to its like u steal their technics and experiences from their mind but since u u are a wound in the force and are not conected to it , u need to kill them and absorb their forse so u can power those technics, for awhile atlest, until u got to "feed" again because the forse runs dry .

 

right?

[Exile-Character Story??]

lol ok i think i got my nind wraped around it

 

so basecly what u are saying is that i absorb the masters eperiences and powers(levels) but since i cant use the force, I like nihilus i must keep on killing to absorb the force so i can TEMP use those powers

 

in a cruder sense, i sucked the masters souls, and got their experience and such i know how they use their powers but since i dont have the force i can only use them while absorbing the force from my victims??

[Exile-Character Story??]

ok so far so good, this is what i belived until the battle with Darth Nihilus

i mean if u get excess force from killing and such, so basecly your slowly establishing your conn to the force again, then why wasnt nihilus able to leach(absorb) your force??

[Exile-Character Story??]

You "leech" the power of your dead opponents...

 

OE's little explenation of why the PC gets XP and becomes stronger like that.

 

And like with the Jedi Master killings it is permanent; so the Exile doesn't have to stay near person X to use powers...

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sry i dont get this, i mean the Exile sounds like an Empath or a Psionist

 

which mean he can TEMP steal powers and such of others

 

now a little anologi, nothing can be permanent with him, i doesnt make sense, HE himself desnt have the force, hes not conected to it, he can only use others peoples force...now if they are dead like the masters whats is he gona use

 

 

now lest say i know the technique to make force lightning, but to actually make i need the force , which im cut off from, i can only use from other people

 

now its a great idea but not a one for this game, maybe in a i am god game but not in a SW game

 

think about it by the time i got to GOTOs yahti had every1 turned jedi(dark jedi)

 

now if we agree with all of the above i could have drawn the force from all my companions and oblidarated everythng on the yaht with a though.. but no i have to run around a kill each droid individuallly

[Exile-Character Story??]

Actully i dont belive the force leaching after the initian boost u get from kreia, i befive that after that the exile is able to turn his conection with the force ON and OFF at will, with only a couple of minir leaching from the masters

 

 

it doesnt make sense,if he was leaching all the time, i mean the first person u leach from is keia who is a consulor while u are guardian, i mean where are u getting stuff like force jump from or 2 weapon fighting wheres she dueling.

 

Or 1000 other little things like your force powers, where do u actually learn them i mean u are leaching only the force, i mean kreia cant teach them to u,SHE doesnt know them yet

[Exile-Character Story??]

2. He's leeching it from the people around him throughout the game - he cut himself off from the force on Malachor V, and he still hasn't reconnected to it. Whether he ever will or did at the end of KotOR2 is something we don't know yet, but which I think we might see in KotOR3.

 

 

Meanwhile we can speculate here.

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OK ty for the answer, but i got a question on the above, if he himself has no force powers, and only and INATE ability to basecly STEAL force from near buy plp, how is it that he still has force powers when hes alone or when hes fighting droids and hes comapanions are nowhere near him.

 

poss answer- can i be that this ability to steale the force has NO range, that he can do it from anywhere.

 

or thats this power isnt really conected to his copanion(tho with them its easier) but he can steale it from any force sensetives around??

[Exile-Character Story??]

Hi all this is my first time posting here.

 

Iv played and beaten K2 4 time 2 LS 2 DS and to tell the truth i still dont really understand the Exile and his story.

 

To be more precise the whole thing about cutoff from the force and the folowing (hole,echo,tear,death)of the force thing, and all of this because of something that happent at Malacor V.

 

1)Now my question is what exacly DID happen at malacor to the exile that made him lose his conection to the force??(i mean it couldnt have been the destruction of the planet, because Malak destroyed talos(well kill almost every1 on it) and a couple of other planets and i dont think he lost any night sleep over it

 

2)Now at the bigining of the game from what i understand the Exile redescovers the force through the bond he has with kreia, BUT my question is as the game pregreses does he regain the use of the force through himself or is he LEACHING it from from those around him. (i mean if all his copanions are on telos and hes ALONE on Koriban would he still be able to use the force??)

 

3)Now to the actual game story lol , anyway another thing i hear from alot of people is the the Exile and Darth Nihilus(speled wrong prob) are actually the same peep like (Planescape: Torment) kinda thing, and that when the exile kills Nihilus they become one again and the exile regains everything he lost at malacor V.

 

Sorry all that i got a little long winded here but alot of this stuff wasnt ever explaines in the game(well to me anyway)

 

I mean in KOTOR 1 u got a pieces here and there and most plp feagured the plot mostly by the midle of the game, by the end evrything was explained where u knew revan story and everything conected to him(mostly)

 

But in this game alot is left hanging.

 

so pls can u guys and gals who help me out (w00t)