Torrentus

(w00t) Wow! Actual cut scenes (bad pun intended). If only they were added back into the game. Shame. This thread has a lot of good work in it.

Wait a minute. We aren't extremist. Just discussing content. It's clear it won't be restored in any case, with the exception of modding. And I prefer frisbees to clay pigeons.

Nope scientist. It's cut content. You were originally meant to fight them yourself too,

Obsidian are undeniably good, but they are also easy pickings for giants like LucasArts, simply used for getting a quick game out to make a few million. Sad. Hope they have better luck in the future.

I'm sure we can arrange for some dancers. Funny you should mention that actually, I just played KOTOR's light side ending again, holding down L/R Triggers and Y on controllers in port 1 and 2. Very unique way of sorting out a dispute. Kudos to you Revan. Also, some dialogue: Number 1 {Mocking}So, let us wait here, you and I, for the "General's" orders, and calculate the probable fate of the galaxy.Unfortunately for you, I have arranged for friends to meet me here. And you seem to have brought none of your own.Statement: I hear and obey.Hmm, this HK unit is old, but it has its certain charm... in its obedience to me. I shall have to remember some of his traits when I build future generations from his schematics.Query: What am I doing here? What has happened?Statement: I understand. Assassination protocols activated. Let us see what you have in your arsenal, fat one.Statement: Come out, little one. I promise I will end you quickly, without a single lingering charge remaining in your behavior core. {Evil, hunting}Statement: Hiding from me is useless. I will find you eventually - you only delay the inevitable.Statement: As always, fat one, you have miscalculated. And while I find this small droid annoying in the extreme, I find my urge to shoot you takes a higher priority.Stop him.Unexpected Correction: We are not here to aid you. We are here because our predecessor unit summoned us.Ah... an unfortunate oversight.All I wished... was to fulfill my programming. Either way... the Republic is d...{Irritated}Observation: I thought he would never die.Stop him.Unexpected Correction: We are not here to aid you. We are here because our predecessor unit summoned us.Ah... an unfortunate oversight.All I wished... was to fulfill my programming. Either way... the Republic is d...Unexpected Correction: We cannot harm that unit. It is in violation of our self-preservation programming.Stop him.Unexpected Correction: We cannot harm that unit. It is in violation of our self-preservation programming.Stop him. Number 2 {A little sarcastic, Mira just lost her temper with the player, and he's commenting on it}I heard you making friends with the bounty hunter. I don't blame you. She's a scrapper. You don't survive on Nar Shaddaa for very long if you aren't.I've known people like her. Maybe without the rocket launchers, but sort of the same. Maybe without the plunging neckline and the boots.I wouldn't let anything she says bother you - it's a wonder you cracked her attitude at all. She's cold as the ship's hull. Number 3 {Scrap}{Atton Action Dialogue THIS LINE SHOULD BE SET TO NO VO}{Character is poisoned; Gritted teeth}Been poisoned.{Party has rejoined}Miss me?{Party has split up}Stand back a bit - I'll check things out.{Succeeded in opening a lock; Like saying "royal flush," means no problem}Pure pazaak.{Failed to open a lock}Damn thing's stuck.{Starting to open a lock}Let me take care of this.{Entering search mode}Let me look around.{Entering stealth mode}Wait here.{Disarming a mine}Too easy.{Laying a mine; Pleased}I'll just leave this right here.{Target immune to attack}I'm not even scratching this one!{Succeeds with critical hit}More where that came from!{Knocked unconscious}::Grunt as he falls::{At low hit points; Trying to keep it together}Hurting... bad...{Pain Grunt 2}::Pain Grunt::{Pain Grunt 1}::Pain Grunt::{Attack Grunt 3}::Attack Grunt::{Attack Grunt 2}::Attack Grunt::{Attack Grunt 1}::Attack Grunt::{Selected 3}Just say the word.{Selected 2}I hear you.{Selected 1}Yeah?{Battlecry 6; Grim, threatening}Your luck's run out.{Battlecry 5; Grim}Let's settle this.{Battlecry 4}Time to take you down to size!{Battlecry 3}Everyone, down!{Battlecry 2}Time to even the odds.{Battlecry 1; Not too over the top}::Rebel yell as he attacks::{[Temp Node: Sith assassins show up, materialize around Atton.]}{Casual response, he just murdered three Sith assassins, but he's playing it straight-faced so the player won't know}Nothing I couldn't handle.About time you got back. Find anything?{Speaking to enemies who have just turned off their invisibility fields, keep it serious, deadly - Atton is about to kill them}I thought I sensed something.{Form node}{Slight grumbling}I didn't know this training thing was going to be so much work.Got it - I'll be sure to make use of it.All right, I'm game. What did you want to show me?All right - I think I've got it. I'll try to practice it when I get the chance.Yeah - I guess I just had to prove something to myself, and I never had a chance to put it to the test until then. I thought getting in touch with the Force might leave me more vulnerable - but it's actually made me stronger. So... uh, thanks. For helping me.{A little firm, just been reprimanded}Right - I will. I won't let you down.That's for sure.So - something else on your mind?{A little rueful}Nothing I didn't already know. Anyway, it's over now... at least until the next disaster hits us.{Slight shame, slight anger at self}I don't really want to talk about it - we won, that's it. {Rueful}Yeah, well, we won the battle. That's about it.I don't really want to talk about it.Did you know Mira, Atton?I wanted to teach you some of the forms I have learned.I wanted to teach you some of the techniques I have learned in my travels.Did something happen on Dxun? You seem a little calmer than normal.What did you learn?Do not thank me - train, grow stronger. You are no use to me dead.Well, you still have a lot to learn.My pleasure.Did something happen on Dxun? You look unsettled.You don't sound like you won. There is some after this for another character

There was a 125 page thread somewhere towards the end of the forum. And if that was the reason, why lack on the explanation part? That would be a bad move as it would only raise suspicion and bad feeling.

The .bik files in LucasArts\Movies folder Also the movies you can view at the start. I believe all cut content (which we want) has been erased though.

Sound files are in 003\PCDEAD and 003\PCDEAD2 Script from the dialog.tlk file Sound files are in PCDEAD {[Gameplay Programmer: On board the ship. The Disciple, the Handmaiden, or Atton walk into the middle of the chamber, dejected. The player has just died. Check them in this order: The Handmaiden if the player is male, if that's not true, then check for the Disciple by checking 000_Disciple_Joined = 1 (double check the flag name), if that's not true, then use Atton.]} Atton: {Somber, player just died}The exile's dead. It's over - they've won. Disciple: {Somber, player just died}She was our last chance. And now she is dead - and they have won. Visas: {Somber, player just died}The last of the Jedi is dead. It is over. Handmaiden: {Somber, player just died}The exile, he is dead. We have lost - it is over. {[Check Visas first if she is in the party.]} Kreia: No, now it begins. In hatred, there is unity. Against a common foe, even enemies may stand side by side. Kreia: Now they will turn on each other, and the betrayals will begin. They will feed on each other, until only one remains. {Pronoucement will begin.} Kreia: That which waits in the darkness will now show itself... and now the galaxy will begin to die. {[Check Visas first if she is in the party.]}{Quietly, in response to "we've lost the war"} Visas: No, now the true war begins. The Jedi is all that united my Master... and the others. Visas: Now they will turn on each other, and the betrayals will begin. They will feed on each other, until only one remains. It is more than that. {Pronoucement will begin.} Kreia: Your Master will begin what he has foreseen and hungered for, blinded one. Now the galaxy will begin to die. End Scene Sound files in PCDEAD2 {[Gameplay Programmer: On board the ship. This scene has all the party members' thoughts, and the player is listening to them, as he lies unconscious.]} {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts, sense of slight despair, like all might be lost, "Everyone is"} Mira: ...going to lose their lives, like I lost my family at Malachor V. {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts, player is reading her mind without her knowing} Handmaiden:...and father left me, left us all, when he lost all that he loved at Malachor V. {These are his thoughts as he's thinking to himself, player is reading his mind without him knowing} Disciple: And all the Jedi who followed Revan, the true Jedi, died at Malachor V. {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts, she doesn't know she is being read} Visas: Your ship, my prison, that you dragged from the gravity well at Malachor V. {These are his thoughts as he's thinking to himself, despairing, player is reading his mind without him knowing} Atton: ...wish I'd never met him/her, wish I'd died there, that the storms had dragged me down into Malachor V. {These are his thoughts as he's thinking to himself, player is reading his mind without him knowing} Mandalore: We will not surrender, we will not die... like we did Malachor V. {These are his thoughts as he's thinking to himself, player is reading his mind without him knowing} Bao-Dur: Your command echoes still, General. And I obey, as I did at Malachor V. Now, Malachor V comes to us. And I wish to face it, this last time. I have destroyed planets for you, General. But now, this once, if we could save something in this galaxy...I need to do this, or I will die inside. Like I died at Malachor V. Bao-Dur: I know you can hear me. I have always known. It is why I followed you.You know where you must go. It calls to you still. {Reverent, pronouncement of doom, then sad at the end} Bao-Dur: And she must be stopped, there, now, or she will bring the screams of Malachor V to the galaxy - just as we carried the echo all this way. {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts, panicked, but don't go too overboard with panic} Mira: What are we going to do?! If we don't stop her/them... then everyone, everywhere... they're going to lose their lives... Mira: What are we going to do?! If we... if she's lost... then all those refugees, all those refugees... they're going to lose their lives... {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts, panicked, but don't go too overboard with panic} Mira: What are we going to do?! If we... if he's lost... then all those refugees, all those refugees... they're going to lose their lives... If I lose her, it will be my failing. It is the failing of the Jedi who followed Revan. It is a failing of their teaching...It is my failing. It is the failing of the Jedi who followed Revan. It is a failing of their teaching... {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts} Visas: We go now, my Master, to that dark place which made you, where you gained your ship, your troops... Visas: Soon your ship will come, my Master. Soon your ship shall come from that which made you... {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts} Visas: Soon your ship will come, my Master. I will bring him/her before you, but I will not let you have him/her. Soon your ship shall come from that which made you... {These are his thoughts as he's thinking to himself} Atton: ...should have stayed in that ship, let it drift until the power ran out, let it drift in that battlefield until the storms dragged me down... Mandalore: More dead Jedi because of me... but this won't end like the Mandalorian Wars... I won't... {These are his thoughts as he's thinking to himself, player is reading his mind} Mandalore: ...not like this, not like the end of the Mandalorian Wars... I won't...{"fail my people again"} Mandalore: ...this will not end like the Mandalorian Wars... I won't... {These are his thoughts as he's thinking to himself} Bao-Dur: Your command echoes still, General. Kreia: {Low, soft, draw it out, player is remembering her voice}It is the heartbeat of the past. Kreia: {Low, soft, draw it out, player is remembering her voice}It is the echo of the past. Handmaiden: {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts}I cannot lose him, lose him like my father... if father had not gone to war, if he had not gone to fight the Mandalorians... Handmaiden: {Player is reading her mind, these are her thoughts}...lost him like father... if father had not gone to war, if he had not gone to fight the Mandalorians... End Scene

Poor Eji If I see your sound files being used without credit, I'll tell them you made them. Yes, I too believe it was LA's fault, as they took advantage of an inexperienced developer, even in the email, I get hints of this: where they say they will learn from it. I'll turn my attention to finding more cut soundfiles, so Eji has more material to work with.

The bloded sticky topic at the top of the forum FOUND HERE Maybe we should give the guy a break, he's only trying to do his job. And why hire? I'm sure many members here would give an arm and a leg to run the forum. Just pick a good, headstong, loyal (to OE and LA) member. Someone who looks a bit like this: and when they see a dev do this:

They closed it...

Yes, I did send him a response expressing gratitude. Urm, I have that here somewhere. I felt a bit bad in a way, since he seemed to be having a hard time already, and he's got a busy homelif (congratulation are in order, I believe), besides, it wasn't Obsidian's fault when it comes down to it. In fact, with the short time, they did a great job on it, and had they had 3 years, they would have put Bioware themselves to shame.

I couldn't agree more. However, my intention is not to bother the companies. I want to continue the previous discussion. It was innovative and involving. And it was informative, besides: there are people here who still need to see this. I was just transferring what I could so the discussion could begin, and besides, we all probably want to know how the mod is going.

Stop with the "I think"s and, "we can theorize"s for a minute and look at fact. Exile makes strong bonds with oter force users/force sensitives Exile Feels pain when Kreia's hand is severed Exile and Kreia can communicate over long distance (AND BEN WAS DEAD IN THE ATTACK) Exile and Kreia can share force powers. Simple; they have a bond. Did his hand stop working? No. Will he die? No. They have bond, but it isn't lethal. And the dead Jedi Master on Korriban (who was supposed to be on the droid planet) was supposed to explain about force bonds in detail. You can see this in the sound files. Also, notice how only Kreia can't be influenced to change heralignment without glitch? You are a natural leader, Kreia is a manipulator. Manipulate a natural leader and you gain his abilities for your purpose. However, if he started leading her she would lose her purpose (awould the game), so she choses her paths and words carefully. All the way through, I thought Kreia was a dead person (she pulsed strongest in force sight, showing extra energy), and I knew she was the betrayer who could not be revealed as all would be lost. I knew she was manipulating the character. BUT I used her throughout the game as much as I could. Why? She's so interesting and she's the best developmental character. Evil or no.

So the old topic got closed, but we're up for round two of discussing, debating and outright arguing, as well as the odd moan or five. Right? I'm just trying to keep such a lively discussion going; after all, the last was my homepage Sadly, in the last topic, someone poisoned the Gizka, so (seeing as it''s mating season), you guys get a free Kath hound! Anyway, the more serious stuff. Thanks to Darth333 for linking to these tools: Kotor tool or tk102's dlgeditor. You'll find the links & other info in the following thread: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143421 To hear sound files get Miles: here To view movie files get Radtools: here To view content so far, go to tubertarian: here (credit to tu2thepoo) The original topic can still be found here Here is the recieved email from Obsidian. Here are the contact addresses: bizdev@obsidianent.com (official Obsidian Contact address - good, fast response) pr@lucasarts.com (official LucasArts Public Relations address) mbihr@lucasarts.com (Mary Bihr -- she's the Vice President, Global Publishing, and cares greatly about customer opinion) rscott@lucasarts.com (Ronda Scott -- Community Relations Specialist, it's her job to collect & report customer feedback) Thanks to markussun for finding the latter three addresses. Just don't be rude to them or bother them too much. Thanks to Aurora for the original thread. Keep discussing, playing and working hard. May the force be with you.

So basically, if you or I have the same amount of creative input on TSL as LucasArts, you're saying we all made voiceovers, music and have a profitable contract with Obsidian Entertainment? Either that or sound files don't count when making a game, in which the original point of blaming a company for the butchered files in irrelevant, in which case you needn't post anymore. Also, I think you'll find it was LA who messed it up, to the utter shame of their parent company. Just for the record; the streamvoice file is over 572 MB, streamsounds 130 MB and streammusic 36.3 MB. How sad.

As far as we can see, OE have realised what's happened. They know the ending was disatisfactory and they know we would prefer it changed. They would like to change it. It is really LA's fault for the deadline. They had other options. As much as I would have preferred a HK Factory, A droid planet, A good ending, I think we've gone far enough slagging OE. They did all they could. I feel sorry for them. They can do no more than apologise, and learn from their mistakes, both of which they have done. Basically, bothering OE is NOT going to get us anywhere, besides which, I still have high hopes for them. I hope they make KOTOR3. They have proved up to the task and are very quick to respond to public need (I mean, 28 minutes for a response which was hand typed is top notch). They made a game of good length, and worthy of Bioware's work, in a third of the time. And our only disappointment was the ending. Now with 3 years, what could they do. Seriously, with the way they're going, we could be seeing the birth of a new Squaresoft (and as much as I love FF, the latest RPGs are losing their touch, and KOTOR 1/ 2 were both better than FFX-2). What we need to turn our attention to now is modding the old endings back in. Rather than complaining, doing something about it.

Well, I personally am impressed by Obsidian. I sent an email 29 minutes ago and have a personal response. Good work guys My email: The response:

Carefully chosen words by Brian, but I'm going to address each point individually, and I feel OE are indeed resticted. He's being defensive here. I can gather OE has collaberated on this issue. This tells us instantly that we ARE getting somewhere. Notice how he put "bashing" in inverted commas. To me, this is saying that it's causing a stir AND he doesn't QUITE see it as bashing. At least for now... it's obvious there that they have something planned. Self publishing? "other factors" they have to answer to are OBVIOUSLY Lucas Arts. So this tells me they are resticted by contact. And I think I speak for us all, when I say that we never expected perfection; we just didn't expect the so blatantly rushed ending. So he's trying to undermine our arguments by saying we don't understand how it works. I think he's trying to shift the blame from them (or therefore LA) onto us and our "misunderstanding" of how it works. While trying to stop the bad publicity for NWN2, it's interesting he mentions the publisher. While he doesn't say anything bad about LA, he makes a point to say the publisher is different. Leads me to believe he is hinting at LA and (see below) their schedule is to blame. Moreover, it tells us that OE know damn well our thread is here, as they are taking on board our individual arguments. Suggestion: List all our problems and reasonable solutions because we obviously have their attention. If I was reading his message like TSL plays, this is where it would end, that way it can be "more open ended." Yay. <_< The short schedule IS to blame. The ending was cut short because of this. The above quote practically does all but says it was the fault of LA's short schedule. It could also be taken that they want to give us the full ending, but are unable to at this point. Not once is constructive critism mentioned here, but that's because he knows that we know what we're on about, and he doesn't like it. In fact he's asking for positive feedback or positive suggestions for the future. This is kinda sad as it never happened with TSL. After all, when does the ended take low prioritory? In KOTOR2 it was a "cut whatever happens later on" jobbie, because that's what needed most work. Sadly, it's going to cost them, as I know many of us will wait before buying KOTOR3. Seems to me like they're straining the contract with LA here. "May or May not". Of course they had NO direct control over it, if they did have direct control what would be the point of saying that? It would also conflict with what he said earlier about time constraints. He also tells us that OE don't like the bad publicity from our findings. Looks like we obtained some notice from a higher ranking member of OE anyway Keep up the good work guys.

I would buy a "directors cut edition". No, it nothing about profits at all for LA... "

Heh, I just found a nice convo between Mira and Atton (I think it's cut, I never heard it) File 003/Disk 4 Fun, here's on of the quotes: Mira: Oh well, it's not really a competition, I mean, you're kinda an idiot Atton, you don't shower enough and you scratch yourrrr "equipment" when you think no one's looking. Seems like they're on about Disciple, an I've yet to play my female games so it might be in :/ Still amusing though. I can't believe how much of this stuff is cut. *plays HK-50 screams again*

This patch had better be good Anyway, rooting through the files and looked in 904/904KREIA and it's the characters vs. Kreia. It's a bit unfinished, but amusing, check out 904904KREIA011.wav, after all the characters say they will fight kreia for the exile, Atton says "And I walk in and say something suitable heroic" After the NPCs (Why are they called NPCs, because you can play as them?) fight Kreia, the ending where the future is seen files appear, so they are both supposed to play after the Traya fight. As such, I speculate that after you beat the Lightsabers and Traya, she uses force crush or something on the exile, and just as he/she is losing the NPCs walk in and distract Traya. After she cripples them I dunno. The exile gets up, forms a party of 3 and fights the final battle against a very strong Traya with the Star Wars theme playing in the background. Just lightsabers and force? That would be Star Wars-like. And the ending so much better! Damn, I don't see why they don't use that theme for a final battle, it would rock.

I've been reading this topic for the past few hours with explicit interest. Firstly, I brought the PC game, but the game won't work on my laptop because the laptop's RAM sucks, but that doesn't stop me loading the sound files, so my