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Darth Grendel
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I know other games have been fixed for Europe, not just those from LusasArts
For example the Indiana Jones game was reported as having problems for the US version, and the European version did not have those problems (that I heard of)
I guess because we have to wait for the games, there is a time window available. I'm sure developers do realise it's worth making efforts to fix things if there is a window of opportunity. No point in annoying any more people if it can be helped
btw I have heard of US gamers playing through KotOR2 without ANY bugs and such...
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But as a result the majority of the Xbox market would be royally pissed off at LA for not exchanging/repairing their games. So I wouldn't hold my breath on the Xbox version (regaurdless of where it goes) being fixed, as to the PC version being fixed I am not sure if they are really fixing the current problems that the Xboxers are facing, I think they are only fixing the combatability problems that come with the PCand their differnt system setups, as well as tranlating the game to different languages.
It has been confirmed in another thread that the International Xbox owners will get some bug fixes
Microsoft and Japanese publishers want to increase sales in Europe etc, so they will have to try harder to make us happy. As it stands most International gamers are very unhappy at always being last to get things
I know Capcom games are fine tuned for Europe - usually with some enhancements compared with the original Japanese release
The standards are higher here in most consumer markets, but then again why not? We pay a higher price than the US does for games.
A current release game in the UK costs $75 US dollars!!!
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ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!
(w00t) Ladies and Gentlemen
VERY VERY GOOD NEWS!!!!!! (w00t)
I REPEAT VERY GOOD NEWS!!!!!!
I contacted Akari (Thanks Akari
)And he said that all the fixs that are in the PC version will be in the International version !!!
This is what our lovely cool Akari had to say
Many of the fixes going into the PC version are also in the International version.-Akari
This is indeed splendard news!!!!
Thankyou Akari and Obsidian!
You all Rock!!
(w00t) This is good news
I think this is also what happened with the Indiana Jones game, that US version suffered from glitches that were not reported in the International release
So there is some justification and reward after all for not being the first to get the game :cool:
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well seeing as how the international version is still 2 months off..hopefully the remaining dev's will put some work into fixing some of the bugs and stuf in the xbox version
I hope they fix the International Version. There is no reason why Obsidian can't reduce the problems for the rest of the people in the world - and would help us accept the delay in getting it
Here's hoping
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I hope the International Xbox Version will be fixed
It would make up for having to wait longer for it's release
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that...and lucas probly wont give them time to fix it, and then if he did ppl like me would want to get our games recalled so we could get new ones, if profits dude profits
I think the International Xbox Version and PC Version could be fixed together without any problem
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There is no reason for all the English speaking countries in Europe, as well as Australia to be made to wait for French, German and Spanish translations that they are never going to play regardless.
If there truly was no reason, there would be no delay. International release of most products takes time to arrange for myriad reasons. Distribution rights, contracts for manufacturing and financials, language issues (getting new voice-overs, subtitltes, proper packaging, etc), trade/import legalities, being amongst them.
I'm actually surprised the international release of KOTOR2 is happening only two months after the North American release.
Also, international release arrangements are handled by Atari and their international partners; Obsidian has nothing to do with any of it.
That's all good reasons, but I think in today
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Possibly a bad printing batch.
Also, there are something like 20-30 different xbox configurations that have been sold. Different chips, DVD drives, etc. Most games get about a week getting randomly shuffled through the compatibility lab that houses these when it's tested for xbox certification. So some of the issues are going to be tied to the hardware of your xbox. Especially if you have a early release of the xbox, which were released with wonky DVD drives.
Some of the latest Xboxes still use those same original drives
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If they do make Kotor 3, then they need to take they're f***ing time! Who cares how long it takes, at least take your time, and don't leave huge holes in it. It's a great game, with so many holes. Next time, the publisher needs to keep it's sharp objects out of the developers arse. People are more likely to buy a game with GOTY on the cover.
No rush. Haste makes waste.
This is spot on
We have had many so-so star wars games in the past that kotor came like a breath of fresh air in a stagnant sky
A quality title (like the way halo 2 was delayed until they had it just right) will sell truck loads and make lots of money
It's when games are rushed that they start to disappoint and people's good will starts to fade away if it happens too many times
We need an ongoing QUALITY series of star wars rpg games, like say a kotor 3, and even beyond that with another new story. Or even a prequel to kotor
There is LOADS of potential and I hope the good reputation of the kotor series isn't wasted
We want EXCELLENT rpgs and we want them with star wars stories - a rich source with a lot of potential as has been shown by the old republic storyline
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I am glad to see that KOTOR 2 has beaten Fable to get IGN's RPG GOY award, but then again only NA has this game, so a potential 6.2 billion people are still waiting
Thus it seems kind of weird that it has the 2004 award and yet we won't actually even get it until 2005
Well that's life I guess
In any case, well done to all the devs! :D
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There is no reason for all the English speaking countries in Europe, as well as Australia to be made to wait for French, German and Spanish translations that they are never going to play regardless.
If there truly was no reason, there would be no delay. International release of most products takes time to arrange for myriad reasons. Distribution rights, contracts for manufacturing and financials, language issues (getting new voice-overs, subtitltes, proper packaging, etc), trade/import legalities, being amongst them.
I'm actually surprised the international release of KOTOR2 is happening only two months after the North American release.
Also, international release arrangements are handled by Atari and their international partners; Obsidian has nothing to do with any of it.
I can understand that this is probably way out of Obsidian's hands
As for the other points, yep probably valid points
However no reason for the publishers not to try and improve the situation such that the customer comes first, and if that means making changes to the way things are done then so be it
The NA release could have been delayed so everyone felt one and no possibility of spoilers. You could say that how many people come here and will read spoilers? True, but then again this is the only dev forum for KOTOR 2 so you cant exclude 6.2 billion people and penalise them because they dont live in NA. The fans and potential fans should be important and treated fairly
Is the bottom line simply money?
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Damn, baby. I told you we needed to buy KOTOR:3 when we were at Best Buy the other day! We'll never finish by the time the beta for KOTOR:4 comes out!
Damn right, I've just finished playing KOTOR 4 beta and it is amazing!
But seriously...
I dont think laying off employes is gonna effect the production of sequels to LA's best console game ever. From what i remember reading about those layoffs LA was going to outsource more of its work.I have to agree. This game seems to be selling great with very little media buzz even now. If they sell a lot of this game you can bet on at least a third one. They'll keep making similar RPGs as long as they make money. I only have three important questions.
1. Which company will get the job? I hope it's either Bioware, Obsidian, or both.
2. Will they finish the trilogy, answer the questions everyone has, and end the current storyline? I hope so and after that they could start a different story.
3. Will they wait to put it on the next gen system(s) or will they rush it out for next Christmas? I would imagine Microsoft would want it as an exclusive title with Halo 2 to launch the X-Box 2.
This sounds spot on, and I too would like to know the answers
The breakneck speed at which KOTOR 2 was produced speaks of how badly lucas arts needs money.Bioware WOULD have done it, but lucasarts wanted it faster, and they were busy with jade empire.
Anyway, my gripes aside, if KOTOR 2 sells well, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a kotor 3. It just had BETTER go back to Reven again!
My suggestion is to use the upcoming new Jade Empire engine (not that I know much about engines) for KOTOR 3 or a new story SW RPG to the same quality as KOTOR game of the year
If LucasArts needs more money then they would be foolish to stop KOTOR specifically or these quality of Star Wars RPGs in general. There clearly is a market for good quality star wars rpgs, but what we exactly dont want is quickly rushed jobs which lose quality as a result
Give us something *good* and it will SELL BIG TIME
I hope LucasArts give the devs long enough to create good games
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I guess it means arranging for an external developer to create KOTOR 3, instead of LA doing it internally
If LA were doing it until it got canned, then I guess that means BioWare and Obsidian were too busy to do it
So either LA get A.N.Other company to do it, or we have to wait until Bioware or Obsidian free up some time to do KOTOR 3
It's all down to LA / MS to make the call...
Oh, and Bioware have a new Engine for Jade Empire, so maybe they could use that??
Plus I can't see the game being released except on Xbox Next, so that in itself might delay the game a bit longer
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But besides, yes, xbox is about money. I am so really sick about having to upgrade my PC almost every half a year these days, just to have a decent framerate in the next upcoming supreme game.
I now only play console games because I got sick of upgrading my PC at great cost just to keep up
I only have to change console every 4-5 years and yes I guess I lose out a bit but the games are still fun and not that bad looking anyway on the Xbox and the sound is Dolby 5.1 so no problems there plus HDD etc
Xbox allows me to spend more money on games not PC upgrades
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Like I said, there may only be one or two Xbox games in existence that are not region locked on the game disc
That's why I'm having to wait until Feb
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LA is a publishing company.. they dont care aslong as they get profits..
Unfortunately this is probably quite close to the truth. I am sure they wanted to hit Xmas season in the US even if the game wasn't quite de-bugged yet
I hope you are right. I don't want any bugs that the poor americans have been experincing,I just want a bug free game and hopefully the devs will fix the bugs for the international version, as I truly feel sorry for certian americans having a bugged game lol. I must say waiting is a virtue!Well, the Indiana Jones game (xbox) had bugs. Reviewers in the UK didnt seem to report those same bugs, so I am guessing some of them might have been fixed
That doesn't mean that TSL will work out the same way, but I hope it does - at least then the extra 2 month wait will have been worth it...
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as long as bugs don't interrupt my gaming I will be happy, I will enjoy being "the chosen one" to restore the galaxy to either peace or even more horror, since the galaxy is already in horror I'm going to restore the galaxy to peace by playing the lightside.
This is probably the only saving grace for the wait we are having to endure. Sometimes the delay in releasing to the world allows the developers to fix bugs that are found in the US version
Maybe they should have waited longer to release the US version too and fix those bugs
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It comes out in Australia in Feburary here too...I am dying for the game too...I really can't wait to play the game and start weilding a lightsaber and wearing the Jedi robes in honar!
My normal policy is that because the manufacturers make me wait longer until it gets released, then I make them wait to get my money when I buy it
I have created a backlog of games to play and so I wait until the price of the game drops, maybe even wait until it goes "classic" and then buy the game at a lower price
That way the sales figures and probably the profits too are lower
I figure that customers should be treated fairly and if they are not (like having to wait) then this is the only way I can show my frustration
I do the same for DVD films too
The world games market (excluding US/Japan) is fed up with waiting for game releases. I know because this is a topic that I have seen raised by other people at several forums that I am a member of
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Well I checked a couple of sites today and the Xbox version will *not* be released until 11 Feb 2005
So the PC guys aren't having to wait any longer than Xbox gamers...
Annoying though. I wanted to play it now!
Only if you live outside the US- its the US Xbox version only which came out on the 6th
It's that word "only" that is the problem
6,200 million people live outside of the US...!!!
And only 300 million people live in the US
I'm not asking for preferential treatment. The least they could do is make sure that the whole world gets the game at the same time...
It's annoying logging onto the forum and seeing people discussing the game, knowing that I've still got 2 months to wait until I can get it on my Xbox
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Is there a difference in the US and English version? Or, are they making Enland wait for the Spanish, French, and German version? Is your X-Box coded differently ( like dvds)? Lastly is there a gray market for these games? I know people who bought Japanese games because they could not wait for US release. :">
Language wise we are usually given the American version perhaps with an English manual. So in reality we are really just waiting for the Spanish, French, and German versions to be added.
So in theory all the other English speaking countries do not actually need to wait.
My understanding of the Xbox hardware is that it is not region encoded in the hardware for games. The DVD playback facility works differently. The DVD region is also not initially encoded. But when you buy a DVD controller and plug it in then the DVD region becomes locked at that point. So I could lock my Xbox DVD feature for the US.
However, there is no "hardware" region lock for the games.
The way region locking works for the games is that Microsoft have said that it is up to developers to decide whether or not to region lock the game itself. So in theory any Xbox in the world can play US games that are not region locked in the game.
But there may only be one or two games in existence that are not region locked.
The next problem is NTSC vs PAL. US and Japanese TVs use NTSC. Most of the rest of the world uses PAL. BUT modern PAL TVs also support NTSC. My TV can. So for me the NTSC issue ought not to be a problem.
Interestingly the Gamecube can play import games with an official disc that you can buy that enables it. Ironically I believe it was Nintendo themselves who first started this region locking "problem" because they wanted to control the market better? Good for them I guess, but a problem for game fanatics.
Is there a grey market in the world for US and Japanese games? Most definitely yes. I can buy US and Japanese games here in England from certain import shops. I can also order from say Hong Kong but then get stung by Customs Import Taxes!! You can also (occasionally) buy US and Japanese Xboxes.
Two reasons for importing are:
- the game will never be released in the rest of the world (rare but sometimes happens)
- the rest of the world has to wait (happens for almost all games)
Importing US games poses no problems for language, does for Japanese (for English speakers)
The problem is manufacturers do not like grey imports. But on the other hand they mostly do nothing to stop the need for importing.
Halo 2 and a few other games get released worldwide at about the same time, so no problem there.
Unfortunately KOTOR is not one of those games, so we have to wait for it
But if the game wasn't region locked and the manufacturers allowed it then I could order a US copy of the game and start playing it right now
Oh well...
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the poor international X-boxers wont get anything.
Exactly!
I am half-tempted to start using my PC again for playing games, but it's just so much hassle keeping the technology up to date and working hard to get the right drivers and patch a game to make it work. That's why I stopped, the expense and the time
But having the extra features/tools that PC games sometimes carry is tempting... :cool:
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Yep, the majority of the world has to wait until Feb 2005 to play this game
It is very annoying the way this always seems to happen, not just with this game either. Many gamers are continually fed up with this situation as it has been going on for years
I had hoped the Xbox would bring a fresh approach to this problem, but it seems to be just the way it always has been with the Japanese releases
Oh well...
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1UP website scored the game with 7.5
Reckoned it isn't a sequel because it uses the same game engine, so they call it an "expansion pack"
Oh right, so how many other games fall into that category then?
And while we're at it I guess the Star Wars V film wasn't a sequel to Star Wars IV
What is the definition of a sequel? Technology based? Or maybe if the story is advanced then it is a sequel? In which case it would seem that KOTOR II is a sequel
Whatever the argument, 1UP website rating of 7.5 seems to be too low
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I have called several, but it won't be released until 11 Feb 2005. Says exactly the same on Amazon too
And I doubt there will be any extra content on the Xbox to make up for the delay, just like there wasn't with the original KOTOR
The PC gamers got extra features in the original to make up for their delay, but not us Xboxers
Grrr!!!
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ANNOUNCEMENT:Referring To Bug Fixs In K2!
in Star Wars: General Discussion
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I know I've said this in other threads
It is normal for International game releases to contain fixes to problems seen in USA releases or Japanese releases (whichever came first)
This is true for many developers/publishers
There is a window of opportunity because we nearly always get things last, so developers tend to use this window of opportunity to fix issues. It kind of makes up for us having to wait for the game, and also if there is bad publicity then there is no reason why more people should suffer bugs that can be fixed before we get it. It wouldn't make commercial sense - particularly as Europe is a target market for expansion by both Microsoft and Japanese game companies
Product standards are typically higher in Europe and I'm not just talking about games, plus the prices we pay are higher - like $75 for a new game, so sellers need to go the extra mile to sell something good
Microsoft made sure that Halo2 was top quality before it was released, and I think so should others. But this is more of an exception - so it's really up to gamers to speak out and demand better quality games - and this would be good for everyone in the world