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Time isn't an issue! Its not like I'm trying to capitalize on a new release haha. We can record it at our own convenience.

The offer in the video still stands @Elric Galad I think a video discussing the community and balance patches would be fun! DM me if you are interested!

Well said! All of you guys can be proud of the great stuff you've done for this game!

Hey folks! @Boeroer and I recorded this discussion on 5 builds he made for Deadfire. I thought y'all might be interested! https://youtu.be/nEdI3x8qxGM

To my mind, the difference is that the Paladin tends to underperform without much attention. It doesn't need much attention in general, but that doesn't mean what it does is high impact in general. I do want to be clear though, niche does not mean useless. There are games that have useless classes, but Deadfire isn't one of them. Every class can be a part of a top-performing build, even the Paladin. I'm arguing against it, and its one of my favorite classes.

That's a fair take. In general, casters tend to be better than martials, so it makes sense. My thoughts was just that if you're looking for a caster multi, Monks tend to overshadow everything else.

Awesome! Let me think through how I'd want to do that video and I'll DM you when I'm ready. No one who matters cares. There are always folks in my comments nitpicking me on accent/pronunciation, and English is my only language.

Thanks! My voice is something I work on a lot. In many ways I am bad youtuber - I'm not a good editor or sound engineer, for example - but my voice is something I do put some time and energy into, so its nice of you to notice. I usually try to answer the "what is fun to play?" question in my build videos. I think the whole point of a build is that its a mechanical/narrative concept that hooks me for an entire run, and so I share it so others can have that experience. I'm already working on some builds of my own, but it could be a good idea to make a video introducing the excellent build content already on this forum. Just brainstorming here, but you would be the perfect person to interview for that video! Your PoE1 builds in particular were invaluable for me learning the game and probably the single most influential content for how I make builds myself. Let me know if you are interested!

Hey folks! I am a Youtuber who posted a thread a while back asking for peer review for an upcoming class tier list video I was making for Deadfire. The video is complete and I am linking it below for anyone interested in following up. Thelee from these forums makes a guest appearance at the end to discuss the finer details of the rankings. Here is the link:

Here is the completed video for anyone interested! Thank you so much for your thoughtful critique, y'all saved me from making some embarrassing mistakes! Special thanks to Thelee recording a discussion with me which is included at the end of the video. Here is the link:

Yes, it COULD stand on its own, but it would be a much more interesting and informative video if it didn't! I'll DM you to discuss it further.

Fair enough! The truth is, while I am very interested in your opinion because I greatly respect your thoughts on this game, I've thought about this a lot and I feel pretty strongly that Fighter belongs in Overloaded Tier, so it was unlikely I would be swayed. I think a charitable and informed reader of this thread will agree I've made a respectably case. I knew my opinion on the Fighter wasn't widely held, but I admit I'm a bit surprised at how unresponsive/resistant everyone has been to my arguments for it. I know better than to hope for agreement, but I was still hoping for something more than this. No big deal though! Stuff like this happens! Thank you for your help! I've offered this to others, but I will offer it to you as well. If you'd like to record a dissenting opinion and/or discuss the list with me in the video I'd be happy to include you in it. It would be audio only, so no need for webcams. If you are interested, let me know and we can discuss the details.

@thelee Sorry for the delayed response, I was traveling to visit family and didn't have a chance to check for updates.. Okay, I can see you don't like the way I am approaching this, but can we at least call a spade a spade? Its not a false distinction. A false distinction is distinction without a genuine difference. For example, if I tried to distinguish "the author of The Hobbit" from "J. R. R. Tolkien" that would be a false distinction, because they are the same person. The two categories I outlined aren't like that; they are genuinely different. Moreover, they aren't some arbitrary distinction I pulled out of thin air. Rather, they genuinely represent the way the game was designed. Its just a matter of fact that in Deadfire subclasses are choices one makes within one's selected leveling tree. My big reason for wanting to treat subclasses as a choice within one's class is because that is exactly what they are and I don't really see what there is to gain from saying otherwise. In your opinion, what is wrong with just saying this? I can just say in the video "Tactician is the most impactful thing the Fighter class offers. It is so strong it warps the Fighter's ranking." I don't really understand why saying that is so bad that I need to completely change the way I treat subclasses to avoid it. It seems to me this is the core point of disagreement between us on this issue. Ok, noted. However, if I remember correctly, I was specifically asking you NOT to avoid that kind of reasoning. I know that's not how you prefer to think about it, but you already have your own guide that communicates your perspective. I'm trying to offer a different guide that communicates my perspective. I think hearing different perspectives is useful, so long as those perspectives are well informed and carefully constructed. I know you prefer to think of Tactician as separate from the Fighter, but I don't (at least right now). So, hypothetically, assuming we treat Tactician as part of the Fighter kit, do you think its strong enough to boost the Fighter up to Game Breaking Tier? Its fine if you'd rather not answer.

The distinction I drew is not arbitrary though. Again, the distinction is between: (Category A) Choosing your leveling tree. (Category B) Choosing an option within your leveling tree. Category A is choosing your class. Choosing Tactician is solidly in Category B. I don't think being transformative is a good reason to treat something as its own class because there are a lot of Category B choices which are extremely transformative. I agree with your assessment of Tactician though. I consider it so strong that I kind of soft ban it from my runs. Assuming I don't count it as its own class, would you say its worth upgrading Fighter to Game Breaking Tier?

Thanks for the correction! I understand the pain in reading through a thread that has been going for some time. You'll probably be happy to hear though that I've already adjusted my rankings on the classes you were concerned about. I demoted Ranger to Niche, promoted Chanter to Overloaded, and promoted Druid to Bread-n-Butter. I haven't changed Paladin. I still think it belongs in Niche. I'm happy to hear your case for where you think it belongs.