DRM-FREE

Let me try this again. Playing semantics. I take into account the benefits that comes with having a retail product without DRM. When I say playing semantics, you are only concerned about the meaning of DRM and you ignore all the benefits that are lost from having DRM on retail products. I'm not here to play tit for tat on the meaning of DRM because once the mention of those benefits that comes from not having DRM on a retail product, you get stuck on the meaning of DRM. Playing semantics. Did that guy really think that showing the Witcher 2 backup program will prove that the witcher 3 will come with a code in the box at retail. lol. wow. The Witcher 2 was released at retail with Steam codes in the box and Steam DRM. Blah blah blah, they removed the drm not long after release. When the Witcher 2 enhanced edition was released at retail, I believe there was no codes in the box. DRM-FREE. So time after all of that CDP decided to start a witcher backup program where you can use the Steam keys and a picture of the retail box and disc to get a backup digital copy on GOG. I would bet it was about getting people using GOG. Non of those events indicates that the witcher 3 at retail will come with a code in the box, because that mean two games in the box for the price of one. It's not going to happen. CDPR even said that they have no plans for a free backup of the witcher 3 anytime soon. The Witcher 3, IMO, is how all games should be released. Digital the witcher 3 is available on GOG, Steam, Origin, Xbox Live, PSN, maybe evens Uplay, who knows. Physical retail without DRM so the ofline/non internet user can also buy the witcher 3. Pillars of Eternity has a Steam and GOG digital version. That's great. The physical retail version = Steam so the offline/non internet users can not buy the game. Essential just for the online people even at retail. So what does it come down too. The Witcher 3 will have a copy for every single person who wants to buy the game. That's a good thing. Pillars of Eternity has a Steam version, good great, for the Steam people who wants to buy the game. Pillars of Eternity has a GOG version, good great, for the GOG people who want to buy the game. Pillars of Eternity has a retail digital Steam version, good great, for the Steam people who wants to buy the game. I want to buy the game at retail with no drm but there is no version for me to buy. Not good. Not great. I want to buy this game. And if there are people who wants to buy the game and they not going to buy the game because there is not a version of the game for them to buy. Sad really. When did PC gaming become so divided, 2003. It's 2015, can we end this division.Thank you CDPR. Now it's time for the others to set up.

I am speaking about DRM-FREE at retail. Not DRM-FREE through digital vendors. DRM-FREE at retail means that the game is open to more people to purchase. Digital sales from different vendors is like fighting for sales with the same group of people. Online digital people want their games on Steam. Their game library, it seems what it's all about. But I am speaking about wanting DRM-FREE at retail. The more I say retail the more you guys say digital. It's weird. It's like brain washing.

BTW Thread can be locked. I got my answer. I'm not here to deal with silly people playing semantics.

The words you quoted was in reference to like what was it, 2003-2004. But you say I'm silly because you turned my words into 2015. The Witcher 2, I don't think ever came with a GOG code. Steam code yes but I don't think there was a GOG code. But you say they did and I am silly. To assume how they released The Witcher 2 is going to be the same as how they releasing The Witcher 3. Steam helped make PC relevant again lol. Let's see Steam crashed the PC gaming ship. PC retail now = Steam, Origin, Uplay, GOG, Social Club, Blizzard, more to come. There is not one option for offline/non internet users. Well console retail games but they working on changing that. And The Witcher 3. All that it means, Pillars of Eternity I want to buy it but I wished they made a version for me to support.

See you say stuff like The Witcher 3 will come with a GOG code but it's just not true nor does it make sense. Here is why it doesn't make sense. The Witcher 3 PC version at retail will be DRM-FREE. Install the game and play. By adding a GOG code or even a Steam code into the box, that means you now have two copies of the game. Do you really think you will be getting two games for the price of one? Not likely, nor the meaning of DRM-FREE. lol. You guys are on some "meaning" expedition.

I don't need an explanation on what DRM means nor how it works. My name is just about that question I asked all the way on the top. Will Pillars of Eternity = Steam at retail? That is all my name is about and that is all that I cared about knowing. But you felt the need to speak to me like I don't know anything and tried to play the semantics game with me, in order to promote DRM at retail by avoiding talking nor linking back to retail. lol. Same old ... just a different day.

A retail product and a digital product is not the same thing. Product value vs no value. So DRE-FREE is not the same as "Steam DRM-FREE" Technical, meanings, semantics, yes, but DRM-FREE at retail comes with so many options and product value, that can not be the same as "Steam DRM-FREE" because many of those options and product value is just not there with Steam in retail. That is what I am talking about. I'm not talking about, do you know what drm means. And to the, Minor clarification: GOG doesn't "force you to install some GOG software" at any point., guy. I was making a retail example of how retail games don't come with a GOG code and you felt the need to clarify GOG digital installation.

I was talking about RETAIL. Buying retail games. I don't think there is one game at retail with GOG codes to force you to install some GOG software before you can even install the game. In the digital world DRM and DRM-FREE, same damn thing for the same damn users. And that's all fine. But I am speaking about DRM-FREE retail games. The retail gaming world = offline/non internet gamers and of course you online/internet users who wants Steam codes in everything. "Steam DRM-FREE" means what to the offline/non internet gamer? Still means they ain't buying the game at retail. If you want to look at how a video game should be released where all gamers has the option to buy the game, meaning offline buyers and online buyers, look at CDPR's The Witcher 3. That is how video games should be released. No one is cut off from buying the game. All gamers has access to purchase the game. DRM and NON-DRM working together with no conflict.

He tried to sell the game and Steam said no. lol. Using semantics is not really helping. DRM-FREE offers so much more than what you mentioned. So using one thing like starting a game without Steam after needing Steam before you could start the game without Steam, doesn't really scream DRM-FREE.

I don't want to start a DRM debate on here. Just wanted to ask that question. But seeing as you mentioned it. I have to say. DRM has nothing to do with piracy or pirates. As in nothing. I still see the DRM games being pirated. So DRM has nothing to do with pirates. It's just easy for them to point the finger at pirates. I've been following the numbers for long time. Not going to go too much into it. What was the effect of Steam DRM. Less PC games sold. More consles and console games sold. Steam makes money off every PC game sold. Steam only caters to the online/internet gamer. The offline/non internet gamer can't buy PC games. That offline/non Internet gamer is not going to go and download the pirated game. The evil side to pirates is those who sell pirated games. Now you mentioned publishers + DRM = no pirates. Or that's how the lie is painted. Xbox 360 saw a hell of a lot of flased consoles and pirated games sold. But publishers were still making lots and lots of money from console games sold. No DRM on retail console games and publishers are still making lots of money. So it's not fair to use the pirate argument to explain DRM. DRM was never about the pirates. Just like the second-hand market has nothing to do with DRM on the Xbox One. Oh wait, that lie didn't work. Back to pirates.

To me it's sad that Steam (DRM) has encumbered the retail PC market. You say that it's a big perk for the backers to not have DRM. That means that there is still a big market for DRM-FREE games at retail. There needs to be a way for both to live in the same world. Release games early with DRM. Make the money from day 1 sales. Then Patch and fix the games.Release the DLC, make more money. Patch and fix again. When there is an complete game with little bugs, release the DRM-FREE game at retail. I would wait for a DRM-FREE version at retail. People are like waiting for game of the year editions. Just make that the DRM-FREE edition. Point is, I want Pillars of Eternity. I want the manual. I want the map. I want the DRM-FREE retail product. I really want to buy this game, not just to play but to support Obsidian. I just wished they made a product for me to support.

Damn. Looked like a game that I could add to my collection to play for many years. There really should be DRM-FREE options for retail. Thanks for answering.

Hi. Just want to find out if the PC retail version of Pillars of Eternity will have DRM. Yes, I know the GOG version has no DRM but I would like to buy a retail version without DRM. So does retail = Steam? Or can I look forwards to retail not having DRM?