Dr. Hieronymous Alloy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Okay this is a little embarrassing to admit, but I haven't been able to figure out how to use Empower to restore my lost resources.Click on the “oooooo, shiny!” And than on the character portrait. Thanks. I had tried clicking on the character model on the battlefield and on the resource counter but not the portrait. Note I might use Empower more. Comically, I haven't figured out how to use Empower to do anything except renew resources. I pretty much only use it to refresh wizard and priest cast totals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Comically, I haven't figured out how to use Empower to do anything except renew resources. I pretty much only use it to refresh wizard and priest cast totals. If you click the icon then select an ability you want to empower it'll, well, empower it. I have to say in a lot of cases I feel the renewal of resources seems more useful though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blutwurstritter Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I guess the enemy A.I. is not too smart or are there no skills/spells that can handle mass summons ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Like what? Weapons of mass summons destruction? Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaruNi Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Like what? Weapons of mass summons destruction? Paladin Abjuration will probably be in Deadfire. Scroll of Greater Abjuration definitely is (you can add it with the console---yes it's basically Weapon of Mass Summons Destruction). Edited April 6, 2018 by SaruNi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaruNi Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Did ranger/sharpshooter accuracy bonuses make up for dumped per? Or did that significantly reduce their damage output? Maybe dump con instead, or half-dump them both? The weakness of Greater Abjuration might be its AoE and casting time. Skeletons may be too slow to scatter though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Like what? Weapons of mass summons destruction? Paladin Abjuration will probably be in Deadfire. Scroll of Greater Abjuration definitely is (you can add it with the console---yes it's basically Weapon of Mass Summons Destruction). Beckenor's summons are immune to Abjuration. 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaruNi Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Like what? Weapons of mass summons destruction? Paladin Abjuration will probably be in Deadfire. Scroll of Greater Abjuration definitely is (you can add it with the console---yes it's basically Weapon of Mass Summons Destruction). Beckenor's summons are immune to Abjuration. Hmm. Looks like it specifies "Paladin ability abjuration" though... not sure if that applies to the Greater Abjuration scroll (not clear that Greater Abjuration is necessarily Paladin, and not clear that scrolls count... though perhaps they should). Should be able to test it with Berserk/Confused.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaruNi Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Tested it---Berserker Frenzy Scroll of Great Abjuration indeed has no effect on Beckoner skeletons. So assuming berserk frenzy is interacting correctly with it (it's usually foe only), they're immune.... Edited April 6, 2018 by SaruNi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaruNi Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 After further testing, it turns out that Scroll of Great Abjuration *does* work on Beckoner skeletons. (Berserker Spirit Frenzy seems to be bugged, which is what threw me off. Regular Berserker Frenzy got it to work.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Thanks for testing! And now the question is: will any npc ever use a Great Abjuration scroll against your skeletons? Would be a nice twist in an encounter though... Edited April 7, 2018 by Boeroer 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blutwurstritter Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I take it that there are no spells or skills that increase their effect/damage with the amount of enemies affected, or spells that confuse/turn summons ? There are ways to counter or punish summon spam in other games so i hoped there would be something alike in PoE 2 now that there is a class that does this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Presumably greater abjuration is a class ability for someone (Paladin?) as well, so a suitably high level NPC Paladin might use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaruNi Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Presumably greater abjuration is a class ability for someone (Paladin?) as well, so a suitably high level NPC Paladin might use it Deadfire class ability list on rpgcodex shows Abjuration as PL 9 Paladin ability, since 9 is the max that suggests that Paladin doesn't get Great Abjuration. (Sure, saying that Beckoner summons are immune to Paladin Abjuration ability in the subclass description doesn't rule out the possibility that they're not immune to Paladin Great Abjuration... but that borders on purposefully confusing. However, the specification "Paladin Abjuration" does imply that there might be non-Paladin Abjuration abilities.) But "Great Abjuration" doesn't show up for any of the other classes. Maybe the list is incomplete, or maybe it's just a scroll (or enemy) spell. Would be tragicomic to rip through most of game with party of Beckoners only for an endgame boss to have many uses of Great Abjuration or equivalent. Priests do get a spell called "Dismissal" at PL 8.... Edited April 7, 2018 by SaruNi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Wasn't Abjuration lowered to an earlier PL in the last beta version? Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaruNi Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Wasn't Abjuration lowered to an earlier PL in the last beta version? Hmm. The patch notes do say: "Paladin Abjuration is now at PL 5." However, Abjuration isn't showing up in the Paladin ability tree yet, or in findgamedata abjuration iirc. But it does suggest that Great Abjuration could be a Paladin ability after all. They also seem to have changed the names of some spells/abilities since that list, so maybe Priest "Dismissal" became "Great Abjuration".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Wasn't Abjuration lowered to an earlier PL in the last beta version? Hmm. The patch notes do say: "Paladin Abjuration is now at PL 5." However, Abjuration isn't showing up in the Paladin ability tree yet, or in findgamedata abjuration iirc. But it does suggest that Great Abjuration could be a Paladin ability after all. They also seem to have changed the names of some spells/abilities since that list, so maybe Priest "Dismissal" became "Great Abjuration".... Well the data mining one is around Ferburary while the beta change log is from April, I think April one is more updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Sure, saying that Beckoner summons are immune to Paladin Abjuration ability in the subclass description doesn't rule out the possibility that they're not immune to Paladin Great Abjuration... but that borders on purposefully confusing. Sounds about right for Obsidian tooltips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Haha - so true. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Man Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Wizards get death ring as well. That could bode ill for summoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Why? Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Man Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Did I read wrong? I thought death ring worked like the bg2 spell that could wipe out low endurance minions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 I don't think we know how any of these spells will work yet, just their names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Summons scale with level. So I guess (?) that they are not so low on endurance once Death Ring is available. But Beckoner's summons do have reduced health by design, so who knows. Maybe it works. Isn't there a level restriction, too? I mean that only enemies below you char level can be destroyed? Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dib- Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Okay this is a little embarrassing to admit, but I haven't been able to figure out how to use Empower to restore my lost resources. Click on the “oooooo, shiny!” And than on the character portrait. Didn't even know you could do this... thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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