Nudity question...

[SonicMage117]

Okay, I thought it was going to be something like nudity as in drawings the style of the portraits for scenes (since it likely won't be 3D rendering) but what you guys say makes more sense.

[Frog Man]

 

 

I must be one of the only ones that thinks the Deafire featuring nudity will not in any way enhance or benefit the game?

If you’re offended, don’t play.

What about my comment makes you think I'm offended? For crying out loud, I play Witcher games lol

 

I'm not offended or sensitive, I just don't see how nudity would benefit this game specifically is all.

Sonic - I’ve learned to ignore this guy. Your post didn’t suggest in any way that you were offended. Achilles is bored waiting for May 8 and picks fights in forums because he isn’t very successful or liked in his real life. Edited March 27, 2018 by Frog Man

[Katarack21]

 

 

 

I must be one of the only ones that thinks the Deafire featuring nudity will not in any way enhance or benefit the game?

If you’re offended, don’t play.

What about my comment makes you think I'm offended? For crying out loud, I play Witcher games lol

 

I'm not offended or sensitive, I just don't see how nudity would benefit this game specifically is all.

Sonic - I’ve learned to ignore this guy. Your post didn’t suggest in any way that you were offended. Achilles is bored waiting for May 8 and picks fights in forums because he isn’t very successful or liked in his real life.

 

[SonicMage117]

[Elkor_Alish]

Sketching a nude is difficult. The human body is comprised of terrific curvature and adaptive lines and when someone captures it perfectly, it can be breathtaking - largely dependent upon the medium and perspective but the point remains. Yet the most interesting aspect of the human body, artistically, are usually not which are revealed necessarily in the nude. I think it was Spielberg who once said that the most impressive landscape was the human face. But that is art.

 

Nudity can be used brilliantly to comedic effect as well. Not because of what it shows, but because of what it suggests. Nudity can be many things, signifying solace and comfort, but also vulnerability and uncertainty. With taste and restraint nudity in and of itself can convey a great amount of information, even when the response sought is only a chuckle. . .Because. . .when all is said and done, nudity is always revelation.

 

Nudity, after all, is only arousing in a clothed society. It is only amongst those whom place a premium upon modesty that nudity alone begins to carry purely sexual connotation, and to what degree is intensely personal. And this thing can be beautiful also. It adds meaning and mystery to what would otherwise be dross, dull, and utterly unremarkable.

 

I don't mind the presence of nudity, but I dislike when it is used cheaply. When it is used for effect, rather than to affect. I think life reaches its highest forms in artistic expression, and to see things which could be an elevation of the human condition cynically exploited is always a disappointment. Video games, like literature and cinema, can be extremely artistic and extremely meaningful, and I am greatly appreciative when they are, but for many they are nothing more than idle entertainment. Not things to experience, but simply things to do, and it is that sort of variance which makes our species so successful.

 

So, to each their own, but as with any other aspect of this game, all I hope is that they do it well.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Elkor_Alish

[Torm51]

I must be one of the only ones that thinks the Deafire featuring nudity will not in any way enhance or benefit the game?

Agreed. If I want computer nudity I watch Porn on my phone.

[algroth]

 

I must be one of the only ones that thinks the Deafire featuring nudity will not in any way enhance or benefit the game?

Agreed. If I want computer nudity I watch Porn on my phone.

 

 

Do tell us more.

[ShadySands]

Nudity = porn?

 

Good to know, I guess

[SonicMage117]

 

I must be one of the only ones that thinks the Deafire featuring nudity will not in any way enhance or benefit the game?

Agreed. If I want computer nudity I watch Porn on my phone.

This is probably going to seem like painting the gaming community in the bad light but when I think nudity in games, I think sexual nudity. This isn't really because of my experience in games with nudity (played plenty of stealth games where you take people's clothing to disguise yourself) but more based on forums where members ask for nudity for the porn factor - specifically Steam forums where members get into specifics of what they want to see and complaining about censorship.

 

For me, personally I don't mind nudity, it's a thing in movies, games and even real life that we cannot avoid (married couples will be nude together in beginning of their marriage and years down the road). So I'm not one to care much either way.

 

Visual Novels have scared my thought of nudity forums in games forums so the issue is probably with me. These old eyes have seen alot, which cannot be unseen.

[Achilles]

 

 

 

I must be one of the only ones that thinks the Deafire featuring nudity will not in any way enhance or benefit the game?

If you’re offended, don’t play.

What about my comment makes you think I'm offended? For crying out loud, I play Witcher games lol

 

I'm not offended or sensitive, I just don't see how nudity would benefit this game specifically is all.

Sonic - I’ve learned to ignore this guy. Your post didn’t suggest in any way that you were offended. Achilles is bored waiting for May 8 and picks fights in forums because he isn’t very successful or liked in his real life.

 

Your mom thinks I'm kinda swell.

[injurai]

I hope to chart an island where I can participate in a friendly gymnopaedia.

[Achilles]

I hope to chart an island where I can participate in a friendly gymnopaedia.

The part where we find out exactly what Fulvano was up to.

[Yosharian]

Draw me like one of your French girls, Jack 

[injurai]

 

I hope to chart an island where I can participate in a friendly gymnopaedia.

The part where we find out exactly what Fulvano was up to.

 

 

Oh ****, this explains why nudity is in. It all makes sense now!

[SonicMage117]

[Torm51]

Nudity = porn?

 

Good to know, I guess

No it does not but why else would you want nudity in a game? Does it make it more artistic? I am not trying to be sarcastic I really want to know. I just don’t find it relevant.

 

PS I am leaving my prior comment just to show I didn’t read the entire thread. Apologies. I have not previewed the game much in order to be surprised. If you go to a bathhouse then yes nudity would enhance the because it’s atmospheric. Weird underwear in a medieval game like dragon age is odd. Apologies for the assumptions.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Torm51

[InsaneCommander]

Nudity? Nothing new for my character, a Druid in PoE 1.

 

So, what about Hiravias question? Will our companions be naked in the bathhouse? Will we be able to open the character screen and see them naked? I'm asking for purely scholarly purposes, of course. Josh did say something about delving into godlikes, right? 

 

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/973323231410012160

 

Btw, if Pallegina has feathers in her hair and fire godlikes have fire, then...

[jf8350143]

Nudity? Nothing new for my character, a Druid in PoE 1.

 

So, what about Hiravias question? Will our companions be naked in the bathhouse? Will we be able to open the character screen and see them naked? I'm asking for purely scholarly purposes, of course. Josh did say something about delving into godlikes, right? 

 

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/973323231410012160

 

Btw, if Pallegina has feathers in her hair and fire godlikes have fire, then...

Romancing your companion as a death godlike will kill them confirmed.

[Stuurminator]

I generally never mod games for my first playthrough; however, when Fallout 4 first came out, I knew I had to get the mod for a full dialogue interface. This opened the door for me to download other mods to also help my immersion. This included nude mods; not for titillation, but for realism (I in fact had to go out of my way to get nude female bodies that looked like they fit in the game, or nude male bodies at all). I didn't go out of my way to expose that nude flesh either, so it only came into play on three occasions (minor spoilers for a two-and-a-half-year-old game, I suppose):

• When I was fighting some gunners, and one had apparently spawned with armour but no regular clothes, so he had a chestplate and greaves strapped on over his naked body. The best part was that I could tell he looked odd from a distance, but it wasn't until I got closer that I could confirm, yep, that's a **** flopping around. It was pretty cool, as a one-off occurrence - like I'd stumbled onto the post-apocalyptic General Buck Naked.
• When I was skulking about the basement of a raider den and stumbled upon a pile of corpses, stripped of all valuables and non-valuables. I think it was slightly more effective that the corpses were naked instead of clad in their underwear, but in the grand scheme of things it didn't make that big a difference.
• When I had finally entered the Institute and was exploring, I came upon the lab where they actually create their synths. In one of the game's few actually impressive setpieces, you can watch a synth being made in real time - the machine first crafting its skeleton, then muscular system, then skin, then dropping them into what I assume is some sort of vat. Once this is done, the synth strides out of the vat (with no inventory, of course) and into another inaccessible room to do off-screen NPC things. The room is full of workers, but no one even looks up or says anything to the new synth, because why would they? Hundreds, if not thousands, of synths are created in the same way every single day. The entire process is so sterile and dehumanizing that I found it very effective, but this sterility and dehumanization only worked because they were striding out completely naked, both denied privacy and the acknowledgement of such. It wouldn't have worked nearly as well, if at all, if I'd seen that synth stride out of the pool with a pair of whitey tighties.

I guess what I'm saying is, characters should be naked if it makes sense of them to be naked. It helps me immerse myself in the world, even if I only see naked people once or twice throughout the game.

[Messier-31]

Took me a while to dig it up but here it is. Cover thou eyes mortals, to not get blinded by its glory!

 

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/931312258466029568

 

[Mannock]

I don't mind the presence of nudity, but I dislike when it is used cheaply. When it is used for effect, rather than to affect.

The funny thing is, in games in general and RPG:s specifically, I've seen horrid murder, torture, gore, maiming, decapitations, hacking and slashing at limbs, though I have yet to see a thread that talks about such things as being used cheaply. Because in many instances they are. But killing and murder, which inherently is something that is very non-normal in society, seems to be perfectly sensible to anyone playing games.

 

But throw in a flacid dong or a sex scene (done good or bad) of something that actually is inherently normal in society and people go bananas and talk about crusades, immaturity, cringe worthy and what not.

 

Just to provoke, I'd say I want one genitalia for every murder committed in Deadfire.

[jf8350143]

 

I don't mind the presence of nudity, but I dislike when it is used cheaply. When it is used for effect, rather than to affect.

The funny thing is, in games in general and RPG:s specifically, I've seen horrid murder, torture, gore, maiming, decapitations, hacking and slashing at limbs, though I have yet to see a thread that talks about such things as being used cheaply. Because in many instances they are. But killing and murder, which inherently is something that is very non-normal in society, seems to be perfectly sensible to anyone playing games.

 

But throw in a flacid dong or a sex scene (done good or bad) of something that actually is inherently normal in society and people go bananas and talk about crusades, immaturity, cringe worthy and what not.

 

Just to provoke, I'd say I want one genitalia for every murder committed in Deadfire.

 

Now you have mentioned it, I always find the death animation in PoE 1 quite over the top, like seriously,how the hell was a pistol suppose to be blowing people into million pieces?

[ShadySands]

Pistols can gib people in real life but only if you crit. Maybe try punching as you shoot to give your shot some more power. Oh, and please be careful to not jerk the gun to the side because you don't want to accidentally curve the bullet.

 

PS saying pew pew can't hurt either but be warned that any increase to crit chance lowers the firebug proc rate on the unlabored blade by the same amount.

[SonicMage117]

Nudity and violence couldn't be more opposite ends of a spectrum.

 

 

 

While I see the comparison if violence and sex and/or nudity in games often being compared, I don't think it's quite the same. There are different purposes to nudity, most involve something sexual. There is only one purpose of blood and gore, which is to represent death.

 

In most instances, you're hacking away at npc's to survive for some reason. Very rarely do games allow you to do such action for no reason or without consequences (in GTAV you can run over people and get away with it while most games are more like Witcher where you can't kill innocents, it won't let you). The blood and gore itself is simply for anotomical reasons of the artistical nature. Murder and killing is sadly a part of all world cultures and societies alike... we hunt and kill animals for food (again to survive) and have to gut them to ship meats. Wars happen, wars are normal, it's just the strange way of balancing power and has been ever since the first war that ever existed. In all cultures, this is the same truth.

 

Sex and/or nudity on the other hand, is a whole other beast because the rules and how it's viewed are constantly changing of what's being accepted or unaccepted in society even though there's nothing new. You may not be aware - but there are actually people trying to defend pedophilia now because they want visual novels to feature fully naked flat-chested tiny women on (other) forums, there are also people who fight censorship when imported games come through. It's gotten pretty terrible.

 

Point being that there is a demographic that begs for pointless nudity in their games based on pleasure and some kind of sexual gratification, featuring nudity in a game always give those type of people a chance to continue seeing people as objects. You'll never see a group of people who seek out games fir blood or make a community group just for talking about blood and gore but you will see something like: http://store.steampowered.com/curator/5941109-Flat-Club/

 

To my knowledge, there's never been a movement of people asking for blood, gore and giblets in a game but there are thousands of threads asking devs for them to add nudity and romances in their game. Strange.

 

I suppose while we're at it, we should compare foul language and drugs to nudity and violence even though excessive language is completely different from either. Alcohal should be discussed as well.

 

Fighting for your life and fighting well, is never cheap. It's self defense so no need to defend violence as no defense in needed. However going through dialogue and picking all the right choices for a 4 second nude scene to make the player "satisfied" is pretty cheap and never feels like it truly has a point. So

[Mannock]

To my knowledge, there's never been a movement of people asking for blood, gore and giblets in a game but there are thousands of threads asking devs for them to add nudity and romances in their game. Strange.

The reason there are no, or very few, groups asking for more gore is because gore is already in the games. The gore is all over the place, and it is more or less fully accepted. No one even gives a second thought about it cause the games are filled with it (to varying degrees of course).

 

And that's also the reason why there are so many discussion about romances and, to a lesser extent, nudity. Because it doesn't nearly feature in games as much as violence does.

 

And no, killing isn't accepted in any society. To my knowledge, all societies has a ban on murder. Yet, in RPG's it's your main occupation.

 

Consentual sex between adults however is not banned anywhere, yet the nerd rage at the mention of including it into a RPG is beyond control sometimes.

 

 

To be a bit serious, I'm not generally advocating less violence and more dongs in Deadfire, but I honestly think the RPG genre would benefit with the inclusion of more stories/topics revolving around love, as it's one of the central themes of storytelling throughout the age of man.