MortyTheGobbo Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Some time ago, the devs mentioned trinkets, which would be class-specific items. Grimoires would fill that slot for wizards. Have they made it in? If so, what are they for other classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andraste Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 There don't appear to be any in the beta yet (or if there are I didn't find them) but the slot is called the Grimoire/Trinket slot (or words to that effect) so they should be in the finished game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Hieronymous Alloy Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I haven't seen trinkets yet for any other classes, just Grimoires. There's currently a kind of imbalance since Wizards have Grimoires and nobody else has that kind of alternate power selection, so we'll see what happens there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortyTheGobbo Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 I see. I don't know if other classes' trinkets will have as much an impact as grimoires... we don't know much in general. I seem to remember that the fighters' trinket would normally occupy the arms slot, but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealotstim Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 hmm I wasn't aware of these. maybe warriors could have scabbards, rogue could have poison vial, paladin/priest could have some token of their religion, druid could have some kind of magic stick lol. Not sure about others but this would be a fun thing to guess about/discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heijoushin Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 hmm I wasn't aware of these. maybe warriors could have scabbards, rogue could have poison vial, paladin/priest could have some token of their religion, druid could have some kind of magic stick lol. Not sure about others but this would be a fun thing to guess about/discuss. Haha, sounds awfully "diablo-y". Grimoires are pretty functional items, so I hope that the other classes will also receive something useful and not just thematic "placeholder" items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) Grimoires are pretty functional items, so I hope that the other classes will also receive something useful and not just thematic "placeholder" items.Chanter could go with some portable music instruments. E.g. a lute that speeds up your chanting by x%; or a lute let's call it 'of thunderous accord' that increases damage of your invocations... or of lightning based spells. Rangers could get quivers. And melee rangers have scabbards like warriors. Ciphers could have some kind of resonating crystals, that could be used for focus accumulation, beam augmentation and accuracy or effect increase. Edited December 19, 2017 by MaxQuest 2 PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Hieronymous Alloy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Caster trinkets are all gonna functionally need to be spellbook equivalents or else the wizards have a huge versatility advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DozingDragon Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I was under the impression that trinkets for the other classes would largely be items that enhance class specific abilities, like the cloak that improved constant recovery for fighters. But I could definitely be wrong, or the design concept could have changed along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelschwert Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Yeah, I was wondering about those as well. I don't think that casters other than the wizards will get spellbook equivalents though, since versality was one of the defining features of wizards, but I guess it will be something that helps with their designated role (maybe it's extra spells per level or increased stats for spells for casters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Hieronymous Alloy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Yeah, I was wondering about those as well. I don't think that casters other than the wizards will get spellbook equivalents though, since versality was one of the defining features of wizards, but I guess it will be something that helps with their designated role (maybe it's extra spells per level or increased stats for spells for casters). Could be but the thing is .. everyone lost a lot of flexibility due to the reduced allotment of powers. See, e.g., priests, who went from getting all spells every spell level to getting at most two. Ditto druids. Even Ciphers get one fewer power now than they used to (used to be 2/1 alternating levels, now it's 1/level). Wizard grimoires are a ticket out of that bind that right now nobody else has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelschwert Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) To be fair, wizards lost flexibility as well, since you were able to permanently learn spells from grimoires in PoE1, and now you can't. Priests will get one more spell per level in the next beta update, and Druids have the whole shapeshift mechanic as compensation. Personally, I like the reduced flexibility because it makes the spell choices more meaningful and decreases the disparity compared to martials, and it's also less overwhelming. Edited December 19, 2017 by Doppelschwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Hieronymous Alloy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 To be fair, wizards lost flexibility as well, since you were able to permanently learn spells from grimoires in PoE1, and now you can't. Priests will get one more spell per level in the next beta update, and Druids have the whole shapeshift mechanic as compensation. Personally, I like the reduced flexibility because it makes the spell choices more meaningful and decreases the disparity compared to martials, and it's also less overwhelming. That's all true and I see the upsides, but I think it's an overcorrection because it makes fights really repetitive -- there's no tactical choice of what to do in each combat, there's only the strategic choice of what to pick on level up; you're using the same abilities every time because they're the only ones you have (unless you're a wizard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelschwert Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I see your point, but I'm not sure I agree entirely; since spells scale with level, you should always have a valid choice between all the spells you unlocked so far, and the situation should demand that you make different decisions on the order you cast them. No matter how many abilities and spells I have at my disposal, if the game doesn't force me to use a different setup, I'll just find one that works reliably and spam it throughout the game. If there is no tactical choice involved, that implies that either the game does a bad job at forcing you to prioritize differently on different encounters, or your tools are too similiar to each other that there isn't a proper choice between them, which goes back to either your strategic choices or bad design of the tools in the first place. Ideally, you choose your abilities strategically at lvl up so that you have a wide repertoire of abilities across all characters so that you can make tactical choices, and the game forces you to utilize them. Having all spells automatically unlocked in PoE just meant that you could always select the appropriate counter to everything, so I actually think there should be more tactical considerations now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Hieronymous Alloy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Yeah, in theory that's how it *should* work out at higher levels at least. Thing is you spend a lot of time at lower levels (especially if, like me, you reroll a lot!) and you're also buying passives, so the net effect of all the changes is a real lack of versatility vis-a-vis the first game (at least for the casters I've tried so far). It might be different once they do a balancing pass and more spell abilities are worthwhile. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltic Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Non grimoire trinkets have been cut. https://jesawyer.tumblr.com/post/168758636831/hi-josh-deadfire-is-coming-along-nicely-i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealotstim Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 hmm I wasn't aware of these. maybe warriors could have scabbards, rogue could have poison vial, paladin/priest could have some token of their religion, druid could have some kind of magic stick lol. Not sure about others but this would be a fun thing to guess about/discuss. Haha, sounds awfully "diablo-y". Grimoires are pretty functional items, so I hope that the other classes will also receive something useful and not just thematic "placeholder" items. Yeah that does sound like more fun, though some classes are inherently more active/flexible than others in how they are played. I haven't played Diablo, so I'm not sure what that system looks like. Was it fun and engaging or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juodas Varnas Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 R.I.P. non-wizard trinkets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaColombo Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Pity. I was honestly looking forward to non-Wizard trinkets. 8 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortyTheGobbo Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 That is a shame. I was also looking forward to them. Oh well. Pillars is close enough to D&D that wizards must get the coolest toys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heijoushin Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) Non grimoire trinkets have been cut. https://jesawyer.tumblr.com/post/168758636831/hi-josh-deadfire-is-coming-along-nicely-i That's a major bummer. Perhaps in the expansion set? I haven't played Diablo, so I'm not sure what that system looks like. Was it fun and engaging or no? Oh, nothing special. But each class got a few class specific items (example: voodoo mask for the witch doctor, scythe for the necromancer) which boosted class skills instead of general attributes. As MaxQuest suggested, instruments for the chanter would have been really nice. Edited December 20, 2017 by Heijoushin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DozingDragon Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Huh, that’s a bummer. Maybe they can bring them back in the expansion pack/DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedrefilos Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Eh, although it could be cool, not that big of a loss imo. Maybe next time in a meaty dlc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarack21 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Having all spells automatically unlocked in PoE just meant that you could always select the appropriate counter to everything, so I actually think there should be more tactical considerations now. Yeah but no, you couldn't, because you could only have four per grimoire per level actually *available*, despite "knowing" all of them. So you had to choose which ones you had ready to counter a particular situation, and didn't actually have "the appropriate counter to everything" in any particular combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah but no, you couldn't, because you could only have four per grimoire per level actually *available*, despite "knowing" all of them. So you had to choose which ones you had ready to counter a particular situation, and didn't actually have "the appropriate counter to everything" in any particular combat. Priests and Druids didn't have this restriction, and Wizards didn't automatically know all spells (though they would usually end up with almost all of them through Grimoires eventually). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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