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[Suggestion] : Magic Staffs in Pillars' World

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As a fledgling grognard I appreciate the grognard distinctions, but I think much in the way of change is to do with giving ranged magic a reusable bread and butter weapon much like rangers have bows and of course melee with their steel.

 

But for wands, what are they to be under your reign? Eye pokers? If you really want per charge stuff, you have scrolls that can fill a similar feature. Harry Potter seems to win the day in my eyes, which are yet to be poked out.

am not recalling making a suggestion regarding a change to poe wands or rods.  sure, am thinking such implements is kinda silly, but from a game mechanics pov, they have use.  poe rods and wands are alternatives to the otherwise obvious limited nature o' ranged weapon damage types: piercing. wands, scepters and rods (and as far as we know, a scepter is an ornamental rod) fulfill a practical game purpose and in spite o' the harry potter quality o' such implements, we see no reason to do otherwise than leave 'em as is.

 

SOS

 

staves. no mention o' the other implements.  is more than enough pew-pew in the game and all possible damage types is already covered.  no point to add staves.

 

and yes, is a staff and not scarface's little friend.

 

warning: a smidge sweary

 

Spoiler

 

in all the lotr books, am not recalling gandalf doing pew-pew.  the old wizard's staff produced light, but were not necessarily a function o' the staff. in fact, any overt magic gandalf used in all the books combined were extreme limited, and all less-than-subtle magics were at least potential attributable to his ring as 'posed to the wizard or his staff. not d&d.  not lotr. not traditional for those claiming tradition.

 

folks want scarface and not gandalf? fine.  they already got the pew-pew with three other implements. SOS.

 

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Edited by Gromnir, 13 November 2017 - 05:25 PM.


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I love seeing a wise old witches/wizards who uses their index finger for magic. Something about it always seemed primal, it's a sign of mastery and affinity with the arcane.


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always preferred our wizards to be o' the ineffable variety. 'course the only good wizard...

 

 

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That's not entirely accurate. Hand magic is rare and difficult and requires a certain amount of raw power; *most* people in fact cannot do it, and even those who can are never as effective without it. The vast majority of witches and wizards *need* wands to practice magic, period.

 

Fair enough. Didn't know that detail. I only noticed that even the people who CAN do it couldn't do it as a fetus. They had to grow up and gain discipline and knowledge, etc. Essentially, they had to get better at controlling magic. If they have a potential ceiling, they have a potential ceiling, but they still have to climb up to it, IF it's high enough.

 

That was the comparison I was trying to make; the advancement through levels of need for focus tools. But I appreciate the correction/info, :)

 

 

@Gromnir and the Pew-Pew Staff:

 

Depending on how it works, I don't think the very fact that a staff can let one pew-pew is a terrible idea. In my eyes, it's overly rigid to think that one can conjure a massive meteor storm of cosmic fire, but one cannot simply break that down into, say, a temporary enchantment that puts one spell's worth of resources into a weapon of choice (not necessarily a staff, but the point is that the magic comes from the wielder, not the tool) to allow that caster to spread out the magic, as it were. Like "Oh, look, a bunch of enemies who know I can summon a massive meteor storm if they clump together, so they're all spread out and surrounding us! I'd better charge my staff with my magic so I can use it to sling a little bit of spell out at a time to a whole bunch of different enemies in different directions."

 

Essentially, you could have a per-encounter spell, just like all other spells (so it actually takes up a spell slot, etc.) that makes your staff do ranged magic attacks of a given type for the next 10 attacks or something.

 

You get these enchantments all the time with melee weapons/attacks. Why not ranged? If I can put magical lightning into a sword, why can't I hurl bolts of it out of a weapon? Maybe only the Wizard can do this on his own weapon because arcane control is necessary to actually discharge the enchantment in the form of bolts, whereas enchanting a bow or crossbow actually just transfers the enchantment onto a physical vessel (the bolts/arrows), which then deliver the enchantment to the enemy.


Edited by Lephys, 14 November 2017 - 07:32 AM.


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Hmm, I find the pew pew wand as Harry Potterish

 

That said, I don't want swirly twirly DA staffs either. I'm sure there is a nice middle ground somewhere


Edited by ShadySands, 14 November 2017 - 08:09 AM.

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I think improving the length and animation of rods would be a middle ground that would leave no one disappointed.



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I think improving the length and animation of rods would be a middle ground that would leave no one disappointed.

I'd be totally OK with the rods being something more like this  :grin: 
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So I don't know if anybody else has noticed, but a couple of enemies in the beta, the Xaurip High Priest and the Engwithan Saint, have staves with a ranged elemental auto-attack. Quarterstaves appear, for now, to remain as melee weapons for players.



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Edit: Originally I wanted to post a bartitsu video, but they look pretty lame :)


Edited by Lord_Mord, 28 November 2017 - 01:52 AM.


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So I don't know if anybody else has noticed, but a couple of enemies in the beta, the Xaurip High Priest and the Engwithan Saint, have staves with a ranged elemental auto-attack. Quarterstaves appear, for now, to remain as melee weapons for players.

 

Xaurip priests had staves in PoE1, but I don't think they used elemental attacks with them. Unless they were and I just forgot.



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Edit: Originally I wanted to post a bartitsu video, but they look pretty lame :)


https://youtu.be/2OsRePNS4pk

Edited by Wormerine, 28 November 2017 - 06:29 AM.

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