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Well, it's the only reason I may eventually buy BG2:EE...when it's on sale, :p



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Fair enough!

 

BG2:EE seems to go on sale for $5 during Steam's summer sales, if that helps any.

 

I don't have anything against soundtracks, and I like the ones I have (Dark Souls III is pretty nice) but I don't go out of my way to obtain them.


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I have a lot of game soundtracks. A few hundred, actually. My music takes up a bit of space since I always keep everything in FLAC except for a few free digital downloads that came in MP3s only...



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And as for BG1, yeah, some of the kits like the Inquisitor and the Archer can trivialize a lot of the encounters (though Inquisitors do that in BG2, anyway), but other kits like Kensai and Monk struggle at low levels bringing some extra challenge to the game.

 

I agree with the monk, but the kensai? The kensai is so stupidly overpowered that you can kill an ogre before reaching the Friendly Arms inn. Unless you intentionally weaken your character by giving them ****ty stats.



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And as for BG1, yeah, some of the kits like the Inquisitor and the Archer can trivialize a lot of the encounters (though Inquisitors do that in BG2, anyway), but other kits like Kensai and Monk struggle at low levels bringing some extra challenge to the game.

 

I agree with the monk, but the kensai? The kensai is so stupidly overpowered that you can kill an ogre before reaching the Friendly Arms inn. Unless you intentionally weaken your character by giving them ****ty stats.

 

 

really? i thought that kensai is extremely weak in BG due to lack of armor and not much other options to suplement it



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really? i thought that kensai is extremely weak in BG due to lack of armor and not much other options to suplement it

 

You just need to start with a really high dexterity, the AC is determined by subtracting your dexterity from 23.
You're also supposed to get a natural boost ever 3 levels like a monk, but I believe they never implemented that. (I got this information from the tabletop game, BTW)
It's also not much of an issue since even with starting equipment you will start out doing more than 10 HP damage with every hit, so not much can stand against you.

(BTW: this is true in both Baldur's Gate Trilogy and EE, I've tried it in both)


Edited by kensu, 15 May 2017 - 03:41 PM.


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And as for BG1, yeah, some of the kits like the Inquisitor and the Archer can trivialize a lot of the encounters (though Inquisitors do that in BG2, anyway), but other kits like Kensai and Monk struggle at low levels bringing some extra challenge to the game.

I agree with the monk, but the kensai? The kensai is so stupidly overpowered that you can kill an ogre before reaching the Friendly Arms inn. Unless you intentionally weaken your character by giving them ****ty stats.

How would that be exactly? The max Dex you can have is 18. 19 for the elf, but you will have lower hp.
This corresponds to AC 6 with -2 bonus it gives AC 4 at the start if I remember correctly and no way for kensai to improve it.
At lvl one you have one use of kai ability which gives one max damage attack since you only have one attack on lvl one.
Oh and no ranged weapons.
No way this will allow to kill ogre before level 4-5. Kensai is powerfull but not in BG1 without items.

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How would that be exactly? The max Dex you can have is 18. 19 for the elf, but you will have lower hp.
This corresponds to AC 6 with -2 bonus it gives AC 4 at the start if I remember correctly and no way for kensai to improve it.
At lvl one you have one use of kai ability which gives one max damage attack since you only have one attack on lvl one.
Oh and no ranged weapons.
No way this will allow to kill ogre before level 4-5. Kensai is powerfull but not in BG1 without items.

 

 

Actually I have 5/2 attacks since I used my five proficiency slots as follows: 2 for two-weapon style, 3 in long sword. I then bought and equipped two longswords from the inn at Candlekeep. As I noted before I was getting 10+ HP damage on some enemies, the Ogre was a little lower, but I was able to run away and heal myself and come back and smack him again, but I only had to do that once. Remember, kensai have a LOT of HP, especially if you have high constitution. Also their have to-hit bonus, which I think makes all the difference.

If you don't believe me, try it for yourself, I forget exactly where the Ogre is, but it's the one that has the two girdles. (BTW i tried this in BGT, but the stats I got matched the ones I had in EE, so it should work there as well.)

 

(Edit: I just ran this through because this afternoon I was also doing tests with Monk and Kensai's I'd built in BOT, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't misremembering what happened. Although it isn't a 100% certain thing, you can kill an ogre at level 1, with no special equipment. I got one hit that took 28 HP out, and it wasn't even a crit. This is the lvl 1 kensai I mentioned above, with 18/88 str and 18 dex).


Edited by kensu, 15 May 2017 - 09:33 PM.


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Actually I have 5/2 attacks since I used my five proficiency slots as follows: 2 for two-weapon style, 3 in long sword. I then bought and equipped two longswords from the inn at Candlekeep. As I noted before I was getting 10+ HP damage on some enemies, the Ogre was a little lower, but I was able to run away and heal myself and come back and smack him again, but I only had to do that once. Remember, kensai have a LOT of HP, especially if you have high constitution. Also their have to-hit bonus, which I think makes all the difference.
If you don't believe me, try it for yourself, I forget exactly where the Ogre is, but it's the one that has the two girdles. (BTW i tried this in BGT, but the stats I got matched the ones I had in EE, so it should work there as well.)
 
(Edit: I just ran this through because this afternoon I was also doing tests with Monk and Kensai's I'd built in BOT, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't misremembering what happened. Although it isn't a 100% certain thing, you can kill an ogre at level 1, with no special equipment. I got one hit that took 28 HP out, and it wasn't even a crit. This is the lvl 1 kensai I mentioned above, with 18/88 str and 18 dex).


You can put the same proficiencies as pure fighter so nothing extra there. Paladin and ranger would have similar except one less proficiency in swords.
To hit bonus on level one is -1 and damage +1 it increase -1/+1 every three levels. So it's not so much difference.
A lot of HP is exactly 14 on lvl 1 and 28 on lvl 2. Exactly as a pure Fighter.
The hit and run tactics is possible with numerous characters so nothing special there.
I still don't see any extra KABOOM :) over a pure fighter who will have a much better AC.
I'm not saying Kensai is bad it's almost exactly as a pure fighter class on low level. In case of AC it's a little worse even, damage output with KAI is a little better.

Edited by Sharp_one, 15 May 2017 - 09:48 PM.

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Actually I have 5/2 attacks since I used my five proficiency slots as follows: 2 for two-weapon style, 3 in long sword. I then bought and equipped two longswords from the inn at Candlekeep. As I noted before I was getting 10+ HP damage on some enemies, the Ogre was a little lower, but I was able to run away and heal myself and come back and smack him again, but I only had to do that once. Remember, kensai have a LOT of HP, especially if you have high constitution. Also their have to-hit bonus, which I think makes all the difference.
If you don't believe me, try it for yourself, I forget exactly where the Ogre is, but it's the one that has the two girdles. (BTW i tried this in BGT, but the stats I got matched the ones I had in EE, so it should work there as well.)
 
(Edit: I just ran this through because this afternoon I was also doing tests with Monk and Kensai's I'd built in BOT, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't misremembering what happened. Although it isn't a 100% certain thing, you can kill an ogre at level 1, with no special equipment. I got one hit that took 28 HP out, and it wasn't even a crit. This is the lvl 1 kensai I mentioned above, with 18/88 str and 18 dex).


You can put the same proficiencies as pure fighter so nothing extra there. Paladin and ranger would have similar except one less proficiency in swords.
To hit bonus on level one is -1 and damage +1 it increase -1/+1 every three levels. So it's not so much difference.
A lot of HP is exactly 14 on lvl 1 and 28 on lvl 2. Exactly as a pure Fighter.
The hit and run tactics is possible with numerous characters so nothing special there.
I still don't see any extra KABOOM :) over a pure fighter who will have a much better AC.
I'm not saying Kensai is bad it's almost exactly as a pure fighter class on low level. In case of AC it's a little worse even, damage output with KAI is a little better.


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And as for BG1, yeah, some of the kits like the Inquisitor and the Archer can trivialize a lot of the encounters (though Inquisitors do that in BG2, anyway), but other kits like Kensai and Monk struggle at low levels bringing some extra challenge to the game.

 

I agree with the monk, but the kensai? The kensai is so stupidly overpowered that you can kill an ogre before reaching the Friendly Arms inn. Unless you intentionally weaken your character by giving them ****ty stats.

 

Well, I have played with a Kensai in BG1, and they're certainly playable, but they're in no way overpowered. I mean, you don't even have any of the Kensai's attack and damage bonuses before level 3, and they're offset by items like the Helm of Balduran or the Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise, which the other warrior classes can wear. There aren't even any Ioun stones in BG1. Plus your AC is gonna be ass until somebody gets the ability to cast Spirit Armor.


Edited by Judicator, 16 May 2017 - 12:56 AM.

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I have a confession to make:

I never finished PST... Don't remember how far I got. In fact I don't remember much of it at all.

It's one of my big gaming regrets, which I'm currently considering fixing by getting the EE.

 

I just found out that the Unfinished Business mod is now also available for the EE.

Being a sort-of-PST-noob, could you PST-nerds advise me whether or not I should install this mod (and if so which components), or just go vanilla?

I should probably add that - considering my free time and the rest of my backlog - I'm unlikely to ever do another playthrough after this one.



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I have a confession to make:
I never finished PST... Don't remember how far I got. In fact I don't remember much of it at all.

Most people here don't, myself included.

I just found out that the Unfinished Business mod is now also available for the EE.
Being a sort-of-PST-noob, could you PST-nerds advise me whether or not I should install this mod (and if so which components), or just go vanilla?
I should probably add that - considering my free time and the rest of my backlog - I'm unlikely to ever do another playthrough after this one.

Yes, there are plenty of reasons why the Enhanced Edition is better, don't let anyone lie to you and tell you any different.

If you're looking to play Planescape Torment, the time time is now! Better now then when it originally launched :nods:

I should probably add that - considering my free time and the rest of my backlog - I'm unlikely to ever do another playthrough after this one.

Wise man and very much like myself, time is valuable and I, too, have a huge backlog. Don't blame you for giving the game only one chance of playthrough. You're making the right decision!

Edited by SonicMage117, 07 August 2018 - 05:42 AM.


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I just found out that the Unfinished Business mod is now also available for the EE.
Being a sort-of-PST-noob, could you PST-nerds advise me whether or not I should install this mod (and if so which components), or just go vanilla?
I should probably add that - considering my free time and the rest of my backlog - I'm unlikely to ever do another playthrough after this one.

 

Yes, there are plenty of reasons why the Enhanced Edition is better, don't let anyone lie to you and tell you any different.

 

 

Thanks. I was actually inquiring about the Unfinished Business Mod which - as I understand - is not included in the Enhanced Edition. 

In other words, should I enjoy my only playthrough with the released canonical version, or with the restored content?



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@SonicMage: Um...all he was asking was whether he should install the Unfinished Business mod. Why didn't you respond to the one thing he was actually asking about?

 

Since I can actually answer...it's fine. There's one quest that acts a little funky (the Pendant of Yemeth quest, I believe it's called - I've never been able to figure out how that quest is supposed to go, since it seemed to keep going out of sequence), but besides that (and maybe they've fixed it since I tried doing it), the only thing that would really demand your attention is the restored cheats subcomponent, which is at your own discretion.

 

(e): Ninja-ed...sort of.


Edited by Bartimaeus, 07 August 2018 - 06:34 AM.

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I agree with Bart here, I don't really recall much that was added by the Unfinished Business mod between both my user-modded and Beamdog-modded playthroughs. I do recall an extension to Ravel's storyline and Deionarra's but I don't know if that was from the UB mod or another - if I recall correctly both cases were made by users so it's not "planned" unfinished content, and while they did get Avellone's approval I wasn't much impressed with the writing for them and did feel the drop in quality rather rotundly in that field at least.

 

So I would ultimately say that either case present relatively minimal changes with respect to one another. Hope this helps a little.



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@SonicMage: Um...all he was asking was whether he should install the Unfinished Business mod. Why didn't you respond to the one thing he was actually asking about?

Because there was so much context surrounding that "one thing" he was talking about I guess.

I, too, have played both ways and I would also rather play with the mod than not. Just as I would much rather prefer playing Kotor 2 with the mod than not. I would always recommend playing a restored content version to someone if they are only going to play it once, there's no use of recommending a lesser version if they don't plan on coming back - Especially since recommending something based on nostalgia is never a very smart idea, anyway. So yes, I say the restored one.

I just found out that the Unfinished Business mod is now also available for the EE.
Being a sort-of-PST-noob, could you PST-nerds advise me whether or not I should install this mod (and if so which components), or just go vanilla?
I should probably add that - considering my free time and the rest of my backlog - I'm unlikely to ever do another playthrough after this one.

Yes, there are plenty of reasons why the Enhanced Edition is better, don't let anyone lie to you and tell you any different.
Thanks, should I enjoy my only playthrough with the released canonical version, or with the restored content?
You're welcome!!




Restored content all the way :)

This would be ideal if you are not planning on coming back for another round in my opinion. You may as well put yourself through the good, bad and ugly instead of wondering what you've missed later.

(Excuse my poor english, English is not my native language).

Edited by SonicMage117, 07 August 2018 - 09:55 AM.


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@SonicMage: Um...all he was asking was whether he should install the Unfinished Business mod. Why didn't you respond to the one thing he was actually asking about?

I, too, have played both ways and I would also rather play with the mod than not. Just as I would much rather prefer playing Kotor 2 with the mod than not. I would always recommend playing a restored content version to someone if they are only going to play it once, there's no use of recommending a lesser version if they don't plan on coming back - Especially since recommending something based on nostalgia is never a very smart idea, anyway. So yes, I say the restored one

 

I wouldn't, but that's because it just depends. Sometimes stuff was cut for good reason - sometimes not, sometimes it was just being out of time. While I think PSTUB is fine for the most part, I do not feel the same way about, e.g., the BG UB mods, as they're a collection of both restored cut content and original (i.e. fan) content, and it's not entirely clear which is which. For example, the "Kalah and What He Was Promised" component for BG2 was just one of the mod authors felt the Kalah and the Circus quest didn't have a good enough ending, so immediately after you finish the quest and get your reputation point, a new NPC shows up and gives you a magic lamp that you can make a Wish (9th level spell...) with, or get another reputation point by freeing the genie or wishing Kalah back to life (all with not that good writing). None of the dialogue or characters were hidden in the original game or anything like that - it's just fan-made content, which is fine...except it's selling itself as "restored" cut content. So...it depends.


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Thanks for your input guys. Think I'll go vanilla.



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You will be very happy you did :)




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