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[CLASS BUILD] The Anvil, the most tough monk around


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Usually soulbounds can't be enchanted. The recent patch notes didn't say anything about a change in that regard either. 



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Just checked with v. 3.7: no enchanting for soulbounds. I didn't install the beta patch 3.8 and don't intend to. Can somebody confirm v. 3.8 beta? This would be a serious bug.


Edited by Boeroer, 03 January 2018 - 05:08 AM.


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Sanguine plate / coat of ill payment : better quality aviable and piercing proof ( piercing proof imho is better than crushing. Crush proof with plate made your defenses more "rounded", but if you play solo, in most scenarios only 2-3 enemies can engage you in melee, while much more can hit by range. And more or less all the ranged damage come in piercing form)

Whisper of yen : better quality aviable/ fire lash

Other items are all non enchantable ( soulbound ).

Not much discussion because there are not many options


Perhaps this is something that has changed since you last played?

https://ibb.co/kjb5HG
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I enchanted it immediately upon picking it up and it automatically added the extras once I met their requirements.

Edit: Champion's Boon isn't proccing... ><

Oh my... Have you used a console command like freerecipestoggle? All soulbound items were non enchantable for sure until 3.07 version, this should be a bug.
Anyway a durgan refined and burning lash steadfast is indeed stronger...

If you don't apply your enchantments champions boon works?

 

 

Still doesn't proc.  Being able to enchant soulbound weapons isn't limited to Steadfast either.  I can enchant St. Ydwens Redeemer as well.  I didn't enable any special console command like "freerecipietoggle; however, I do have IE Mod because I screwed up with gift from the machine and freed everyone before I met the guy that gives you the talent and my most recent save before I freed everyone was from 4 days prior so I used console commands to give myself the talent.

 

This shouldn't have any effect on being able to enchant soulbound equipment tho?

 

Edit: I'm running the current version of the game off Steam with WM1 & 2 and Deadfire pack expansions.


Edited by Dreamsickle, 03 January 2018 - 08:10 AM.


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In 3.7 things are working normally. Your better option atm is to disable the last pach ( turn off the beta program from steam option). Is clearly a bug

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Just so I'm understanding correctly: when an enemy dies from any source of damage, Champion's Boon has 25% chance to trigger?  As opposed to say 25% on kill with Steadfast.

 

Is there anything that would cause this buff to be overridden?  In big fights, 10+ mobs, how much uptime does this buff have?



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No, you have to kill with Steadfast to proc it.



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So it would be advisable to only have Steadfast equipped, as if you had Whispers of Yenwood in your offhand half your attacks would be with it instead, potentially reducing your chances of killing with Steadfast?

 

Especially considering that spirit slaying and reliable enchants on whispers of yenwood only apply to itself and the damage it does itself?



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Killing with steadfast is not a big deal. Sure, champions boon is nice, but not a game changer. The main point of steadfast is the fear / terror immunity vs dragons.

The dmg outputs of this build are :spamming torment reach( that is a full attack) and the retaliation effects ( mainly battle forged).
In my experiece is always better to dual wield, if you use only steadfast with one hand to boost the champions boon chance you are losing a big chunk of your dmg output ( much bigger than the boost that you could receive with champions boon itself.

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Killing with steadfast is not a big deal. Sure, champions boon is nice, but not a game changer. The main point of steadfast is the fear / terror immunity vs dragons.

The dmg outputs of this build are :spamming torment reach( that is a full attack) and the retaliation effects ( mainly battle forged).
In my experiece is always better to dual wield, if you use only steadfast with one hand to boost the champions boon chance you are losing a big chunk of your dmg output ( much bigger than the boost that you could receive with champions boon itself.

 

I'll take note of that.  It appears that IEMod enables soulbound weapons to be enchanted by default as I've been told in the bug reporting part of this forum.  I will have to do some further testing as I have yet to get Champion's Boon to proc and am curious if it has anything to do with IEMod/enchanting soulbound items.



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I'm a bit confused why the build uses boots of the long march; at what point do boots of the long march become better than shod in faith?  With resting bonus, shod in faith are restoring way more than 15 endurance per encounter.  I guess at some point you want to actually get to 50% endurance quickly so you can start burninating all the people? :)

 

Edit: Also, by "weakening blows" you mean "Enervating Blows"?


Edited by Dreamsickle, 05 January 2018 - 10:26 PM.


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The "problem" of shood in faith is actually that it heals you way too much. You usually want to activate battle forged asap in fights, but if the enemies crits you, shood in faith activates and usually mantain you over 50% of life for the duration of the spell, gimping your dmg output. In some fights they are useful to prevent your death, but often all the healing is just not required.

Long march boots gives you a risible amount of +15 life but a much more needed +2 to athletism, boosting second wind. Second wind in this build is very strong, since the things usually work this way:
- enemies hit you with alpha strykes and you go fast under 50% life
- battle forge activates with full wounds ( massive retaliation dmg/ +4 armor/ + 10 armor from iron wheel)
- having massive endurance (600+), beign under 50% means still to have 200-300 endurance, and with massive DR your endurance will go down very low ( at least lower than enemies killing themself while hitting you)
- IF you reach red zone of endurance : activate second wind! So you will heal by a huge amount and often still remain under 50%, so your retail dmg doesn't stop

Shood in faith hinders the whole cycle. auto healing with this build << healing on demand

Edit: yes, enervating blows

Edited by Dr <3, 06 January 2018 - 01:18 AM.


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Should this build be able to tank Magran's Faithful?  Doesn't seem possible as the priests can out-heal our damage output, and we aren't that tanky.

 

To put into context, I'm level 16, have everything but Ryona's Breastplate and the Iron Circle (can't beat Eyeless Hammers).  Trying to work on the dragons and bounties.  I still have to split pull, use figurines and utilize choke points to handle large packs.


Edited by Dreamsickle, 06 January 2018 - 07:11 PM.


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Ryona btestplate will be a huge boost ( is like permanent +20 accuracy, +20 to all def). Grab it asap.

When against a large group: find a corner. If only 1-3 people can attack you ( plus the raged one) you should be fine.

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Where is Ryona's Breastplate?  I thought it was in Cayron's Scar...?

 

Edit: nevermind.


Edited by Dreamsickle, 07 January 2018 - 07:35 PM.


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Well, after 70 hours and countless reloads I finished the game!  Although there isn't a terribly large amount of content, the depth of character creation makes you want to try new things.  This build seemed to perform really well, but the game was very hard throughout; there were very few fights that I would say were easy.  The vast majority of them required split pulling, choke points, figurines, etc. and that was true from start to finish and I was level 16 before I finished Act 2. 

 

I felt like combat bugged out quite often as enemies would just stand around and do nothing when they weren't even trapped anymore.  Many times I would get wrecked only to reload and have half the pack twiddle their thumbs while I slowly punched them to death.  There were several fights that I felt like I should have been able to take, but couldn't.  In my experience, fights went one of three ways: 1) I would have my 600+ endurance wiped away in the time it takes to chug a potion, 2) the mobs wouldn't be able to beat my passive regen and so I'd never get to battle-forged territory and would just literally walk away from my keyboard until they (painfully slowly) died to rooting pain or 3) the fight was winnable but took every cheese tactic and resource at my disposal.  In other words, there were few fair fights.  I beat Magran's Faithful with 4 health left. :)

 

Battle-forged never did more than 80 damage per hit (I'm guessing because of DR?) and rooting pain were pot-shots for 10 or so.  What's worse, towards the end of the game during the higher level bounties battle-forged was straight up missing.  I never saw any retaliation damage in the combat log.  Torment's Reach did about 33-50 a hit depending on the enemy.  I'm sure I'm doing something massively wrong, but those were my numbers.

 

Thank you Dr <3 and Boeroer for all your help along the way!

 

PS: I'm going to try another playthrough on TCS,  Any suggestions on a class that, win or lose, ends fights quickly?  Wizard perhaps?  I got very frustrated spending so much time getting my ass kicked only to reload.  If they're going to beat me, they could at least have the decency to do it quickly.  


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Hm, with a similar build, using Turning Wheel, Lightning Strikes and Blood Testament Gloves as well as Vulnerable Attack, max MIG and Scion of Flame (may I also had Savage Attack - don't know if this works anymore with Battle Forged) I saw damage numbers near 200 with Battle Forged quite often (see Monksterlasher build in this subforum).

 

But yeah: the game is balanced around party play, so no wonder one has to use cheesy tactics in order to solo the game. There are only few build that can just walk into the fight and stay alive until everyone's dead (like a superdefensive paladin - but it's so tedious to play until lvl 13).

 

I once did that solo run with a barb - and there I wanted to jump into the fray because of Heart of Fury. But it was always a very risky game. But that's def. a class that ends fights quickly after lvl 11 - in a positive or negative way. ;)

 

Priest is very powerful if you can reach the higher levels.

 

Wizard, too.

 

But the easiest way in my opinion to do a solo game is to pick chanter and skill for tankyness + The Dragon Thrashed (lvl 9). Also quite fun in early levels because of White Worms (which can be used in a cheesy way because dead bodies can be reused over and over again after explosion. You basically pull all enemies to a chokepoint and kill them there. The more dead bodies on the pile the better. Turn off gib effects in the game menu!).

A chanter can have decent defenses, great regeneration (Vet. Recovery + Ancient Memory + Beloved Spirits + regenerating item like He Carries Many Scars + survival), thick armor doesn't slow down his chanting and dumped DEX also doesn't gimp his chanting. High MIG and INT and PER are good for Dragon Thrashed damage. Besides that nothing boosts the chant's damage yo you can focus on defensive stuff. Try to expand your AoE size with an overseeing item + Voice of the Mountaintop + INT bonus item. You might still need to split-pull somtimes, but at least the enemies will get killed while they're trying to reach you. :)


Edited by Boeroer, 09 January 2018 - 11:48 PM.


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Yeah, I was fully expecting to require utilizing cheese to get through parts of the game, but one of the things that really pulled me to this build was how well laid out this guide was and that it seemed to be capable of running headlong into fights and winning at end game.  In my experience that was not the case.  Of course I did upscale everything, so maybe that was where I went wrong, but it seemed like this build could pull it off.

 

As far as damage goes, I followed this guide to the letter.  I have all the same gear, talents and abilities.  Looking at your monksterlasher build, it seems to be a LOT more damage oriented.  I will reload a previous save and respec to your build and see what the different is.  How does your build compare to Dr <3's as far as fights like Magran's Faithful and Brynlod bounties?

 

I was looking at Jojobobo's Gunslinger build, but it seems to be focused more around the gun aspect of the character rather than the chanting part (high DEX).  Yet the build still seems focused around doing a lot of damage with Dragon Thrashed (with only 10 base MIG)?


Edited by Dreamsickle, 10 January 2018 - 08:38 AM.


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I was looking at Jojobobo's Gunslinger build, but it seems to be focused more around the gun aspect of the character rather than the chanting part (high DEX).  Yet the build still seems focused around doing a lot of damage with Dragon Thrashed (with only 10 base MIG)?

Blinding with the Dragon Thrashed works very well even with the average Might (though as mentioned you can use Maegfolc Skull, and I did for boss battles for slightly more). You get many crits and overlapping durations, and the damage from the animated weapons is pretty solid too (look at the comments as other people had some pretty solid improvements to the original design).

 

The only thing is you get the gun late in the game, so most people should probably play whatever Chanter they like then respec at that point. I just wanted to play guns only to prove it could be done really.


Edited by Jojobobo, 10 January 2018 - 09:53 AM.


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If you look at the build "Drake's Ambassador" you'll see a defensive Dragon Thrashed chanter. That build was not for solo play and had some roleplaying fluff so you might want to improve it on the defensive side and improve the self-healing (that build is kind of old and pre WMII,so it lacks some talents/abilities). But basically that's a blueprint for a Dragon Thrashed chanter. Also looks kind of great if you don't mind the self-laudation. ;)

Edited by Boeroer, 10 January 2018 - 10:02 AM.

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