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They seem to know a thing or two about drow  :lol:, or men for the matter of fact.

yeah but those responses...

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Wow, when someone mentioned the outlines earlier, I didn't imagine it'd look that weird. Actually, the look reminds me of Crusader (and yes, consequently Ultima 8/Online) for some reason.

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They seem to know a thing or two about drow :lol:, or men for the matter of fact.

yeah but those responses...

I am trying to imagine internet after when same words would spoken by male character about women. :-D

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Dear hamskii, have you even bothered to read some threads on BD forums made by real Transgender people how they feel about such lame inclusion of this character? Or are you to busy to hate on everyone who has the "wrong" (ergo different than yours) oppinion?

Well, not every trans person has the same opinion on this topic either you know..

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/269735/Opinion_The_Siege_of_Dragonspear_drama_and_the_video_game_community.php

Well, then why it is an outrageous surprise, that non-trans people might have different oppinions about this matter as well?

 

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The differing opinions are not a surprise, and I didn't even say that they were...  But considering the actual content in question (three lines by the TG character, and a line by minsc) what has surprised me is how soft skinned some people are, and the extent that they will go to try and bash the game (while not actually talking about the game) and even destroy the livelihoods of the people who created it

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I will disagree that the character "shoves it in your face" or anything like that. It comes up in a very organic way - you can ask about their name, they mention their old name proved to be unsuitable, and you can ask them about that. I also have to disagree with the assertion that just because a transgender character exists in the game's universe, that transphobia also need exist in the game's universe. Being trans doesn't necessarily have to be a part of a character's internal conflict; it's also fine to have a character for whom that has all happened in their past and they are now comfortable with themselves.

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Token character: Hi, my name is X

<CHARNAME>: Huh, that's an odd name

Token character: I didn't like the old one it so I made it up

<CHARNAME>: Um, why?

Token character: Well, cuz I'm a tranny and also a really special snowflake

 

That's pretty much how the conversation goes, "very organic" indeed. Do people you know tell you about their sexual orientation/identity literally after the first ****ing question you ask them? As it stands, the sole, defining trait of the character is that it's trans. And a priest vendor. It's not just us saying this now, btw. It's Beamdog too, given that they have all but admitted that the character was included solely for tokenism purposes and are committing to "expanding" her.

 

 

 

But considering the actual content in question (three lines by the TG character, and a line by minsc) what has surprised me is how soft skinned some people are, and the extent that they will go to try and bash the game (while not actually talking about the game) and even destroy the livelihoods of the people who created it

You mean before or after the writer came out and said that if people didn't like her [politically charged] changes to established characters they could deal with it, and the CEO accused critics of being "small minded"?

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They seem to know a thing or two about drow :lol:, or men for the matter of fact.

yeah but those responses...

I am trying to imagine internet after when same words would spoken by male character about women. :-D

Sounds like something Eldoth would say.

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Maybe in '90ies. In 21st century you are allowed to trashtalk only men. And only in the case that they are heterosexual and white, else someone might get offended.

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I mean, I never ever heard someone to tell anyone. 'WOW you are strong <insert gender>' because you are using sex to do them your bidding' xD

I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"

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On top of that, that is a sign of early BIO SJW Nazism because no drow women would speak like that because the fact they have power has nothing to do with their ability to seduce males. That isn't how drow society works. Poor writing  because it drags  modern PC morals into a fantasy world.

 

A drow female would never trick a male into bed to gain power.. she would use the power she already has to get a male she wnats into her bed...  COME ON.

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I mean, I never ever heard someone to tell anyone. 'WOW you are strong <insert gender>' because you are using sex to do them your bidding' xD

Wow you are a strong man because you are using sex to do them your bidding.

 

You've read it now at least.

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On top of that, that is a sign of early BIO SJW Nazism because no drow women would speak like that because the fact they have power has nothing to do with their ability to seduce males. That isn't how drow society works. Poor writing  because it drags  modern PC morals into a fantasy world.

 

A drow female would never trick a male into bed to gain power.. she would use the power she already has to get a male she wnats into her bed...  COME ON.

 

Because the main writer is some generic hipster SJtard without knowledge of the FR lore. I am fairly sure she has never ever read any FR related book to deities, elves and the drow.

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I mean, I never ever heard someone to tell anyone. 'WOW you are strong <insert gender>' because you are using sex to do them your bidding' xD

Wow you are a strong man because you are using sex to do them your bidding.

 

You've read it now at least.

 

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BG2 ( TOB)  was the most entertaining and superlative RPG I have ever played and Viconia she was so .....beautiful, I loved her  :wub:

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BG2 ( TOB)  was the most entertaining and superlative RPG I have ever played and Viconia she was so .....beautiful, I loved her  :wub:

 

She's evvviiillll... just no. :p

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Wow, when someone mentioned the outlines earlier, I didn't imagine it'd look that weird. Actually, the look reminds me of Crusader (and yes, consequently Ultima 8/Online) for some reason.

 

If it weren't for the trees on the screenshot I'd have to look twice to realize it isn't UO. Damn. Now I want to play UO again. :w00t:

 

 

 

BG2 ( TOB)  was the most entertaining and superlative RPG I have ever played and Viconia she was so .....beautiful, I loved her  :wub:

 

She's evvviiillll... just no. :p

 

 

She's a single class cleric, so... no, just no. ;)

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Wow, when someone mentioned the outlines earlier, I didn't imagine it'd look that weird. Actually, the look reminds me of Crusader (and yes, consequently Ultima 8/Online) for some reason.

 

If it weren't for the trees on the screenshot I'd have to look twice to realize it isn't UO. Damn. Now I want to play UO again. :w00t:

 

 

 

BG2 ( TOB)  was the most entertaining and superlative RPG I have ever played and Viconia she was so .....beautiful, I loved her  :wub:

 

She's evvviiillll... just no. :p

 

 

She's a single class cleric, so... no, just no. ;)

 

 

 

Guys .." love is blind " 

 

 

But also she was a valuable addition in combat, I had a Druid and her they both provided a useful Healing\Combat Magic role

 

 

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Right, I'm sure you, the maker of this video, and everyone in this thread who replied to it were always just concerned about a fairer representation of trans people in the game! Why could I not see that?! Killing the character immediately after they realise that they're trans, is that to highlight that trans people are far more likely to be murdered in real life . . .

And every Skyrim player who's ever wiped out an entire village for stealing their sweetroll must also be advocating mass murder . . . right.

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Because the other thing the mod does is remove a snipe at GamerGate by Minsc. Gosh, these anti-SJW's (for that is what they are - people who have defined themselves entirely by their opposition to "political correctness", a.k.a. trying to be nice to people) are so easily offended.

 

 

Yes, people are actually more up in arms about Minsc (and Safana and Jaheira for that matter) than the whole "trans" thing. Because it´s out of character for Minsc to say this line, and inconsistency in a character people know for almost two decades is really miserable writing, just so the writer can take a jab at some online movement. It´s cheap and for roleplayers (we are talking about an RPG after all), it can be an immersion breaker.

 

The CEO of Beamdog also realized this now, and they are removing the line. It´s a small step, not that it improves the overall quality of writing.

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Because the other thing the mod does is remove a snipe at GamerGate by Minsc. Gosh, these anti-SJW's (for that is what they are - people who have defined themselves entirely by their opposition to "political correctness", a.k.a. trying to be nice to people) are so easily offended.

 

 

Yes, people are actually more up in arms about Minsc (and Safana and Jaheira for that matter) than the whole "trans" thing. Because it´s out of character for Minsc to say this line, and inconsistency in a character people know for almost two decades is really miserable writing, just so the writer can take a jab at some online movement. It´s cheap and for roleplayers (we are talking about an RPG after all), it can be an immersion breaker.

 

The CEO of Beamdog also realized this now, and they are removing the line. It´s a small step, not that it improves the overall quality of writing.

 

 

hmm, no, Fallouts (the good ones) have tons of pop cultura references and was still hell a lot of fun

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Dear hamskii, have you even bothered to read some threads on BD forums made by real Transgender people how they feel about such lame inclusion of this character? Or are you to busy to hate on everyone who has the "wrong" (ergo different than yours) oppinion?

Well, not every trans person has the same opinion on this topic either you know..

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/269735/Opinion_The_Siege_of_Dragonspear_drama_and_the_video_game_community.php

Well, then why it is an outrageous surprise, that non-trans people might have different oppinions about this matter as well?

 

*mind blown*

 

 

The differing opinions are not a surprise, and I didn't even say that they were...  But considering the actual content in question (three lines by the TG character, and a line by minsc) what has surprised me is how soft skinned some people are, and the extent that they will go to try and bash the game (while not actually talking about the game) and even destroy the livelihoods of the people who created it

 

No one gives a **** about the tranny.  It's the whole leftist propaganda.  The line by Minsc, every line by Safana, Jaheira, Viconia, or Corwin.  The refugee dialogue - hell, pretty much every line of text pushes some real world agenda and forces the player to accept the SJW opinion.   Accept the poor refugees, accept the theft of your gold, it went to a good cause.  I also enjoyed being called a racist.  How they let one feminazi destroy such a classic game is beyond me.

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Because the other thing the mod does is remove a snipe at GamerGate by Minsc. Gosh, these anti-SJW's (for that is what they are - people who have defined themselves entirely by their opposition to "political correctness", a.k.a. trying to be nice to people) are so easily offended.

 

 

Yes, people are actually more up in arms about Minsc (and Safana and Jaheira for that matter) than the whole "trans" thing. Because it´s out of character for Minsc to say this line, and inconsistency in a character people know for almost two decades is really miserable writing, just so the writer can take a jab at some online movement. It´s cheap and for roleplayers (we are talking about an RPG after all), it can be an immersion breaker.

 

The CEO of Beamdog also realized this now, and they are removing the line. It´s a small step, not that it improves the overall quality of writing.

 

 

hmm, no, Fallouts (the good ones) have tons of pop cultura references and was still hell a lot of fun

 

 

Yeah, they do, but they are placed in a setting, which could very well have the same pop culture icons, as it is after all only a bit twisted Earth.

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