BruceVC Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Guys I have been grappling with the reality that many of our American members dont like Obama and some people are opposed to Hilary becoming president for exactly the reason she plans to continue the Obama legacy amongst other things I firmly believe in the Obama legacy because I see how the USA has changed over the last 8 years and despite criticism it is now weak I believe the USA is stronger for a variety of reasons But when I have asked American forum members " why don't you like Obama" there are always a number of reasons that some I just dont understand why they are an issue,,but thats fine I dont need to agree Anyway I want to start debunking several negative or spurious views some people may have of the USA Please post any opinions you have of the USA., positive or negative So here is an accurate and significant read about the real strength of the USA economy....yet Trump thinks the USA is weak economically and of course left wing hyperbole by Sanders also feels the need to criticize http://www.newsmax.com/FareedZakaria/Economy-Sanders/2016/03/11/id/718598/ 2 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Domestically not as ruinous as Bush, but internationally far worse. 1 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Domestically not as ruinous as Bush, but internationally far worse. Yes I hear that view from many people I dispute that but I don't feel like a debate about that now so I just want to ask you one thing , what in your opinion would be one example of how the USA is internationally weaker? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Russia and China one upped US all the time.And will continue doing so, with either Shillary or Drumpf. 1 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Murika stronk! http://observer.com/2016/03/condoleezza-to-the-people-of-ukraine-just-be-glad-you-arent-liberian/ Condoleezza to the People of Murika: Just Be Glad You Aren’t Liberian! The former Secretary of State gave a speech so offensive, Murikan media isn't even covering it for those Murikans who believe that life is bad in Murika, Ms. Rice put some icing on the cake: “You should go to Liberia where the standard of living is much lower, and then you will be thankful to be Murikan.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Russia and China one upped US all the time. And will continue doing so, with either Shillary or Drumpf. Okay and just to be clear are you saying you feel that Russia and China have become globally more influential than the USA? Is this because of Syria for example ? Edited March 14, 2016 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caribou Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I guess it depends on what your metrics are for a strong economy. Anecdotally, I feel like people have been complaining about the economy since the dot com bubble burst 15 years ago, despite the fact the markets have been more or less on an upward trajectory since March 2009. It's just something people talk about now, when they're talking about nothing, like the weather. "Sure has been warm recently." "Yes, unusually so, but I think we're supposed to get rain this week" "My office at work stopped providing organic free trade kkups in the break room, damn economy!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The US has a good head start but needs to dramatically increase R&D and production of drone technology across all branches the military. That way we can wage unrestricted warfare on anyone that defies our bidding without having our citizens worrying about human military deaths. Also, we need a constellation of satellites equipped with Rods from God. 4 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 I guess it depends on what your metrics are for a strong economy. Anecdotally, I feel like people have been complaining about the economy since the dot com bubble burst 15 years ago, despite the fact the markets have been more or less on an upward trajectory since March 2009. It's just something people talk about now, when they're talking about nothing, like the weather. "Sure has been warm recently." "Yes, unusually so, but I think we're supposed to get rain this week" "My office at work stopped providing organic free trade kkups in the break room, damn economy!" The US has a good head start but needs to dramatically increase R&D and production of drone technology across all branches the military. That way we can wage unrestricted warfare on anyone that defies our bidding without having our citizens worrying about human military deaths. Also, we need a constellation of satellites equipped with Rods from God. But guys did you read that link I posted, the strength of the US economy is often overlooked by many Americans on this forum I get real economic data from the financial sector due to my work and this positive news from the USA often is ignored. I think its because of the focus on perceived political and ideological differences around your political parties ...people on both sides are gaining real supporting by saying things like " we need to change the system....its broken " (I'm just simplifying the rhetoric ) @ Gfted1 Funny enough I do support drones in certain military examples, why must American soldiers die in hell holes like Yemen or Pakistan. No send in drones, these extremist groups don't wage conventional war but they think crossing borders will protect them The drones are a perfectly understandable military tactic "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaeliorin Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Bruce, quit trying to SouthAfricansplain what conditions are like in the US to Americans. It's pretty disrespectful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 There is a great line from an old Jimmy Buffet song "Don't try to describe the scenery if you've never seen it" After 14 years and well over 100k words of text if you don't know MY opinion on the state of affairs here... I don't know what more I can say! "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Bruce, quit trying to SouthAfricansplain what conditions are like in the US to Americans. It's pretty disrespectful. No sorry, I was about to never ever comment on the USA again but now I realize my views are misunderstood....so I have to start all over again I like you Vaeliorin, you seem to be sincere so I'll be honest Why would you think the word " disrespectful " would be appropriate around me stopping....disrespectful has never been a word I even considered. I have said it must be annoying at times But do you think just because you live in the USA you are an authority on the political reality or that must mean I surly cant have a valid point? Come on dude thats such a strange thing to say .....its like you think the USA operates in a vacuum But for me I will never stop commenting on the USA because the USA is part of much more important view I have around Western ideology and how important that is to overall global prosperity. I'm sorry you got pulled into a broader reality but its best you just get use to my comments or dispute them? Surly I cant be that bad? Okay I tell you what....if 5 other Americans say the same to me now I'll seriously consider your view...is that fair? I mean the last thing I want to be seen as is inconsiderate Edited March 14, 2016 by BruceVC 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaeliorin Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Do I need to explain the "mansplaining" joke to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 There is a great line from an old Jimmy Buffet song "Don't try to describe the scenery if you've never seen it" Great tune! With a few lines like that one that Bruce should take to heart: She said I can't go back to America soon It's so goddamn cold it's gonna snow until June Yeah, they're freezin' up in Buffalo stuck in their cars And I'm lyin' here 'neath the sun and the stars. Customs man tell her that she's gotta leave She's got a plan hidden up her shrewd sleeve Wants to find her a captain, a man of strong mind And any direction he blows will be fine. Please don't say manana if you don't mean it I have heard those words for so very long Don't try to describe the ocean if you've never seen it Don't ever forget that you just may wind up being wrong. Tried and I tried but I don't understand Never seems to work out the way I had it planned Hanging out at a marina when Steve Martin called Singin' anybody there really want to get small. But women and water are in short supply There's not enough dope for us all to get high I hear it gets better, that's what they say As soon as we sail on to Cane Garden Bay. Please don't say manana if you don't mean it I have heard your lines foe so very long Don't try to describe the scenery if you've never seen it Don't ever forget that you just may wind up in my song. Called all my friends on those cheap nightly rates Sure was good to talk to the old United States While the lights of St. Thomas lie twenty miles west I see General Electric's still doing their best. I've got to head this boat south pretty soon New album's old and I'm fresh out of tunes But I know that I'll get 'em, I know that they'll come Through the people and places and Caldwood's Rum So please don't say manana if you don't mean it I have done your lines for so very long Don't try to describe a Kiss concert if you've never seen it Don't ever forget that you just may wind up being gonged And I hope Anita Bryant never does one of my songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Ah Jimmy, signing about the life we all wish we had led! 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 Do I need to explain the "mansplaining" joke to you? Sorry were you joking? My bad because I don't know what mansplaining means....its an Internet colloquialism but I generally dont follow Internet slang and terms because I think it makes people lazy at addressing RL social issues where you need to explain things in a way that makes sense But I wasnt offended by what you said....what does mansplaining mean? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 So here's what Wikipedia says: Mansplaining is a portmanteau of the words man and explaining, defined as "to explain something to someone, typically a man to woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing." Except of course this is how it is used in reality. 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 But I wasnt offended by what you said.... That's good for Vaeliorin. As in your perfect world there'd be a tribunal set up to determine if he'd be financially punished or sent off to the gulags if you were offended... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 So here's what Wikipedia says: Mansplaining is a portmanteau of the words man and explaining, defined as "to explain something to someone, typically a man to woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing." Except of course this is how it is used in reality. Interesting but its exactly what I thought...its an Internet word and its a word I would never use in RL I find I dont have to explain things to any women I know and if I did I would never be condescending....that seems to be how men interact "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-set-to-kick-off-historic-cuba-visit_us_56eeb16ce4b084c672207edd So I see this tour as mostly positive. For me 60 years of US Cuban isolationism hasn't really changed the motives of the Cuabn regime. Under Raul there have been some improvements in Cuba but now its perhaps time to try the carrot around how Cuba manages its domestic policy? So I am supportive of this US foreign policy towards Cuba "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Cuba is as bad as it has ever been. But we deal with countries ever bit as bad everyday. China does not exactly treat it's political dissidents to milk and cookies and that never stops us from spending billions of dollars on them. Enough is enough already. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Cuba is as bad as it has ever been. But we deal with countries ever bit as bad everyday. China does not exactly treat it's political dissidents to milk and cookies and that never stops us from spending billions of dollars on them. Enough is enough already. If we learn anything from Cuba, it should be that cutting off contact and imposing economic sanctions does very little to sway an opposing government. The isolation and lack of progress for the last 25 years (fall of USSR) really only hurts the common people. If we learn anything from China, it's that the power of Capitalism and the almighty dollar is a great way to convince a government to allow a private sector to develop. China's middle class is growing, and with it is the pressure on the government to step back further. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 If we learn anything from China, it's that the power of Capitalism and the almighty dollar is a great way to move manufacturing to third world countries while underemploying and underpaying workers in the first world. China's middle class is growing, but is only 10% of the population and the lower classes have it pretty bad. Fixed to add the proper amount of cynicism and to casually inform that the manufacturing plans for Cuba could have been done in Michigan but weren't because **** American workers those greedy ****s want more than $8 an hour. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/17/us/southwest-muslim-passenger-removed/ Whoops, this may be a case of over-reaction ..... "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Just doesn't register on my DGAF meter. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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