obyknven 1 Posted January 6, 2016 North Korea Has Detonated Its First Hydrogen Bomb. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/asia/north-korea-hydrogen-bomb-test.html?_r=0 Our military forces prove this information also. It's expected consequences of Western "democratic" crusades around the world . Newton's 3rd Law To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts. P.S. Everyone have preparations for 'hot' WW IV now, main question is when this war begin (it's insider info from Russian military forces ke-ke-ke) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoonDing 3,938 Posted January 6, 2016 Good on them. It will prove better in the long run than feeding a starving population. 2 Quote The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceVC 2,486 Posted January 6, 2016 The entire NK regime is a disgrace and would never be tolerated if it had a Western neighbor. But once again because China is ultimately responsible for NK they don't care if hundreds of thousands of Koreans have died of starvation as long as they maintain a facada of a government its good enough for them You guys cannot tell me that the current NK government has a legitimate right to rule the country and if you could change the regime you would. This is what I mean by legitimate regime change Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoonDing 3,938 Posted January 6, 2016 "The entire NK regime is a disgrace and would never be tolerated if it had a Western neighbor." Western countries tolerate their women to be raped by immigrants with impunity. 1 Quote The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceVC 2,486 Posted January 6, 2016 "The entire NK regime is a disgrace and would never be tolerated if it had a Western neighbor." Western countries tolerate their women to be raped by immigrants with impunity. You can't be seriously comparing the years of mass murder committed by the reprehensible and narcissistic NK regime against there own people to the social issues the EU is experiencing due to Syrian refugees ? Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoonDing 3,938 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Solve problems in your own country before meddling elsewhere and creating even more problems. Besides, change should firstly come from within, not from outside. "the years of mass murder" propaganda lies Edited January 6, 2016 by HoonDing Quote The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceVC 2,486 Posted January 6, 2016 Solve problems in your own country before meddling elsewhere and creating even more problems. Besides, change should firstly come from within, not from outside. "the years of mass murder" propaganda lies No, people like me are more than capable of telling the truth about brutal dictatorships that have NO right to rule a country even though we have major social problems in South Africa our black government does care about its citizens. We would never allow thousands of people just to starve to death I have to say I'm more concerned why more people on this forum are not unequivocally condemning NK ? Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meshugger 2,272 Posted January 6, 2016 Oby, yur hawt Quote "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoonDing 3,938 Posted January 6, 2016 Oby best womyn on this forum for sure. Quote The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gfted1 5,417 Posted January 6, 2016 WW IV? Dammit, did I miss the WW III Great Drone War? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barothmuk 585 Posted January 6, 2016 The entire NK regime is a disgrace and would never be tolerated if it had a Western neighbor.Would be if they were in our pocket. You yourself have supported corrupt dictatorships on the basis they're "our guy". Personally I think the West could alleviate the conditions of the North Korean people if they just opened diplomatic relations and trade. Catch more flies with honey and all that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoonDing 3,938 Posted January 6, 2016 WW IV? Dammit, did I miss the WW III Great Drone War?its happening Quote The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meshugger 2,272 Posted January 6, 2016 The financial and political elite couldn't care less about NK on how they treat their citizens, it's more about control. It's a sovereign state, for all the good and the bad it implies, and that concerns them greatly. Plebeian toughts like dignity and empathy, of which we hold, is sold for support and leverage against the regime in Pyongyang. That's why open trade and freedom of movement is currently off the table. 1 Quote "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceVC 2,486 Posted January 6, 2016 The entire NK regime is a disgrace and would never be tolerated if it had a Western neighbor.Would be if they were in our pocket. You yourself have supported corrupt dictatorships on the basis they're "our guy". Personally I think the West could alleviate the conditions of the North Korean people if they just opened diplomatic relations and trade. Catch more flies with honey and all that. Yes Baro you right, during the Cold War the West had certain alliances and turned a blind eye to certain activities because these leaders or countries were opposed to Communism. In my own country the unnatural and abhorrent system of Apartheid was able to sustain itself for decades because the Apartheid government was opposed to Communism. And as much as I hate to admit it the greater threat was Communism ....but yes I am aware of the perceived inconsistency But lets drop the whole " The West did this 30 years ago " and look at NK in the here and now. Surly you cannot support what the NK regime is doing? This is not about the West but its about basic human rights And the West has had a long history of negotiating with NK The financial and political elite couldn't care less about NK on how they treat their citizens, it's more about control. It's a sovereign state, for all the good and the bad it implies, and that concerns them greatly. Plebeian toughts like dignity and empathy, of which we hold, is sold for support and leverage against the regime in Pyongyang. That's why open trade and freedom of movement is currently off the table. No offense but to suggest "NK is a soverign state and we need to respect there rules " is one of the most frustrating responses a person can give The NK regime has never had a valid election and they have used there control of the army and ideological brainwashing and brutal killings of any dissidents to stay in power....they are not soverign by any respects I don't expect you to start campaigning outside there embassy or for the West to invade as I know the whole China dynamic but surly you can criticize them on a forum like this ? And its not like you don't get involved in other political debates so I do consider you informed on most global developments Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoonDing 3,938 Posted January 6, 2016 They're half a globe away ffs, just leave them alone. Also interesting to note that South Korea has laws as draconic as their northern neighbour. Just read up a bit about Internet access over there. 1 Quote The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meshugger 2,272 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) The financial and political elite couldn't care less about NK on how they treat their citizens, it's more about control. It's a sovereign state, for all the good and the bad it implies, and that concerns them greatly. Plebeian toughts like dignity and empathy, of which we hold, is sold for support and leverage against the regime in Pyongyang. That's why open trade and freedom of movement is currently off the table. No offense but to suggest "NK is a soverign state and we need to respect there rules " is one of the most frustrating responses a person can give The NK regime has never had a valid election and they have used there control of the army and ideological brainwashing and brutal killings of any dissidents to stay in power....they are not soverign by any respects I don't expect you to start campaigning outside there embassy or for the West to invade as I know the whole China dynamic but surly you can criticize them on a forum like this ? And its not like you don't get involved in other political debates so I do consider you informed on most global developments - "NK is a sovereign state!" - "Nu-uh, the state has complete control down to a micro-level, that's not sovereign by any means!" Bruce pls, you're drunk. Go back to bed. Edited January 6, 2016 by Meshugger Quote "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceVC 2,486 Posted January 6, 2016 The financial and political elite couldn't care less about NK on how they treat their citizens, it's more about control. It's a sovereign state, for all the good and the bad it implies, and that concerns them greatly. Plebeian toughts like dignity and empathy, of which we hold, is sold for support and leverage against the regime in Pyongyang. That's why open trade and freedom of movement is currently off the table. No offense but to suggest "NK is a soverign state and we need to respect there rules " is one of the most frustrating responses a person can give The NK regime has never had a valid election and they have used there control of the army and ideological brainwashing and brutal killings of any dissidents to stay in power....they are not soverign by any respects I don't expect you to start campaigning outside there embassy or for the West to invade as I know the whole China dynamic but surly you can criticize them on a forum like this ? And its not like you don't get involved in other political debates so I do consider you informed on most global developments - "NK is a sovereign state!" - "Nu-uh, the state has complete control down to a micro-level, that's not sovereign by any means!" Bruce pls, you're drunk. Go back to bed. Actually its 3 pm in the afternoon and I'm stone cold sober And your reason for suggesting " NK is a sovereign state " is still factually incorrect I'm not sure what your definition of sovereign is, this is not a reason to say " we cannot criticize mass murder" ...its completely illogical Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlintlockJazz 2,004 Posted January 6, 2016 Did Korea set us up the bomb? I'll get my coat. 1 Quote "That rabbit's dynamite!" - King Arthur, Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail "Space is big, really big." - Douglas Adams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meshugger 2,272 Posted January 6, 2016 The financial and political elite couldn't care less about NK on how they treat their citizens, it's more about control. It's a sovereign state, for all the good and the bad it implies, and that concerns them greatly. Plebeian toughts like dignity and empathy, of which we hold, is sold for support and leverage against the regime in Pyongyang. That's why open trade and freedom of movement is currently off the table. No offense but to suggest "NK is a soverign state and we need to respect there rules " is one of the most frustrating responses a person can give The NK regime has never had a valid election and they have used there control of the army and ideological brainwashing and brutal killings of any dissidents to stay in power....they are not soverign by any respects I don't expect you to start campaigning outside there embassy or for the West to invade as I know the whole China dynamic but surly you can criticize them on a forum like this ? And its not like you don't get involved in other political debates so I do consider you informed on most global developments - "NK is a sovereign state!" - "Nu-uh, the state has complete control down to a micro-level, that's not sovereign by any means!" Bruce pls, you're drunk. Go back to bed. Actually its 3 pm in the afternoon and I'm stone cold sober And your reason for suggesting " NK is a sovereign state " is still factually incorrect I'm not sure what your definition of sovereign is, this is not a reason to say " we cannot criticize mass murder" ...its completely illogical Still not getting i see: sovereign [sov-rin, sov-er-in, suhv-] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin noun 1. a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler. 2. a person who has supreme power or authority. 3. a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority. 4. a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: wentout of circulation after 1914. Check point 1-3. 1 Quote "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceVC 2,486 Posted January 6, 2016 The financial and political elite couldn't care less about NK on how they treat their citizens, it's more about control. It's a sovereign state, for all the good and the bad it implies, and that concerns them greatly. Plebeian toughts like dignity and empathy, of which we hold, is sold for support and leverage against the regime in Pyongyang. That's why open trade and freedom of movement is currently off the table. No offense but to suggest "NK is a soverign state and we need to respect there rules " is one of the most frustrating responses a person can give The NK regime has never had a valid election and they have used there control of the army and ideological brainwashing and brutal killings of any dissidents to stay in power....they are not soverign by any respects I don't expect you to start campaigning outside there embassy or for the West to invade as I know the whole China dynamic but surly you can criticize them on a forum like this ? And its not like you don't get involved in other political debates so I do consider you informed on most global developments - "NK is a sovereign state!" - "Nu-uh, the state has complete control down to a micro-level, that's not sovereign by any means!" Bruce pls, you're drunk. Go back to bed. Actually its 3 pm in the afternoon and I'm stone cold sober And your reason for suggesting " NK is a sovereign state " is still factually incorrect I'm not sure what your definition of sovereign is, this is not a reason to say " we cannot criticize mass murder" ...its completely illogical Still not getting i see: sovereign [sov-rin, sov-er-in, suhv-] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin noun1.a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler. 2.a person who has supreme power or authority. 3.a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority. 4.a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: wentout of circulation after 1914. Check point 1-3. Okay you and I arent on the same page on this whole thing and in order for me to explain to you what you seem to be overlooking I would probably just annoy you..so lets just leave it Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agiel 1,722 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Initiatial seismic readings make it out to be around the same yield as the previous device (10 kt, which is less than the first Trinity test). So the most generous thing you can say about this was it was an attempt at a Teller-Ulam device that fizzled. Edited January 7, 2016 by Agiel 1 Quote Quote "Turned wrong way round, the relentless unforeseen was what we schoolchildren studied as 'History,' harmless history, where everything unexpected in its own time is chronicled on the page as inevitable. The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic.” -Philip Roth, The Plot Against America Quote "Always write angry letters to your enemies. Never mail them." -James Fallows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orogun01 2,535 Posted January 6, 2016 Initiation seismic readings make it out to be around the same yield as the previous device (10 kt, which is less than the first Trinity test). So the most generous thing you can say about this was it was an attempt at a Teller-Ulam device that fizzled. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYAstzwUMAQAgki.png Good to have the facts but I honestly didn't buy this thing for a second. When you have the capabilities you make a show of strength for the whole world to see, this is just bragging. Quote I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obyknven 1 Posted January 6, 2016 WW IV? Dammit, did I miss the WW III Great Drone War? "Cold" War = WW III. Only on major battlefields of Cold war die around 20 millions of people. Greek Civil War (~158,000) First Indochina War (~600,000) Malayan Emergency (~11,000) Korean War (~4,500,000) Suez Crisis (3,850–5,000) Southeast Asian wars (~7,890,000) Guatemalan Civil War (~200,000) Congo Crisis (~200,000) Bay of Pigs (~4,300) Indo-Pakistani War (~3 000 000) Angolan Civil War (750 000) War in Afghanistan (~1,623,000) Ogaden War (13,000) Total death toll of cold war ~ 40 000 000. http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/nep/v002/2.3marcos.html The misnamed "Cold War" reached very high temperatures: from the catacombs of international espionage to the sidereal space of Ronald Reagan's famous "Star Wars"; from the sands of the Bay of Pigs in Cuba to the Mekong Delta in Vietnam; from the unbridled nuclear arms race to the savage coups in Latin America; from the reprehensible maneuvers of NATO armies to the intrigues of CIA agents in Bolivia, where Che Guevara was assassinated. All these events culminated in the collapse of the socialist camp as a world system and in its dissolution as a social alternative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgon 1,736 Posted January 6, 2016 The lady looked so proud Quote Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgon 1,736 Posted January 6, 2016 I think it makes more sense to call it a protracted proxy war than a world war, but some people do call the cold war ww3. Quote Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites