Meshugger Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html Genes which make people intelligent have been discovered and scientists believe they could be manipulated to boost brain power. Researchers have believed for some time that intellect is inherited with studies suggesting that up to 75 per cent of IQ is genetic, and the rest down to environmental factors such as schooling and friendship groups. I wonder what countries with little moral scrouples, like China, will do with this discovery....discuss! "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 What do you mean little morals? If they can help the evolution why not. I do not see nothing less moral about it than for example altering a gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I wonder what countries with little moral scrouples, like China, will do with this discovery....discuss! The US? "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 75% of IQ probably comes from this study that says that Genetic research has shown that intelligence makes a major contribution to the heritability of educational achievement. However, we show that other broad domains of behavior such as personality and psychopathology also account for genetic influence on GCSE scores beyond that predicted by intelligence. Together with intelligence, these domains account for 75% of the heritability of GCSE scores. http://www.pnas.org/content/111/42/15273 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) What do you mean little morals? If they can help the evolution why not. I do not see nothing less moral about it than for example altering a gender. In many countries, messing around with the genetical structure of your future unborn is a big taboo. In places like China however, i wouldn't be surprised if they instiutionalized the practice of maximising the potential IQ via several medical procedures during pregnancy. (Anyone else daydreaming about a cyperpunk future?) Edited December 22, 2015 by Meshugger "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Maybe you're just thinking of Chairman Yang. 1 L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Well if there will be a gene therapy for it, this will only stgnate the positions of wealth and power. Rich will make sure tha their kids will be "smart" well educated and with a lot of financial assets. It will only limit the movement between the poor, the middle class and the rich. Today you can move up from poor to at least high middle class if you are smart and hard working. If the genetical advantage will be secured by the rich, you will not be able to make such a jump in your own lifetime you will need your lifetime and then your kids will have a shot at it if you will invest in that. I do not object any gene therapies as long as we wont move towards very uniform society. I'd rather have a world with humans enjoying healthy long life who are also smart and push civilization forward. That however is daydreaming for now. People will make a lot of money on this and it will be mostly for fairly wealthy people same as many today's medical practices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namutree Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html Genes which make people intelligent have been discovered and scientists believe they could be manipulated to boost brain power. Researchers have believed for some time that intellect is inherited with studies suggesting that up to 75 per cent of IQ is genetic, and the rest down to environmental factors such as schooling and friendship groups. I wonder what countries with little moral scrouples, like China, will do with this discovery....discuss! If we can create better humans; I say we do it. "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenixp Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (Anyone else daydreaming about a cyperpunk future?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) (Anyone else daydreaming about a cyperpunk future?) Hugh Herr: The new bionics that let us run, climb and dance Edited December 22, 2015 by Elerond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Protagonist Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I like this idea. Limitless is becoming a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Genes can only push us so far and hardly beyond an average of "very bright". Computer/Brain melding is gonna develop faster than gene mapping can. Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManifestedISO Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 How smart is smart. I mean, what does it mean to be intelligent. What if you have a vocabulary of two-hundred thousand words, locked down in form and function, until and when speaking publicly ... whereupon it evaporates ... are you smart in quantity but stupid in quality? Asking for a friend. All Stop. On Screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 The point i am trying to make is that intelligence alone will not cut it. Wisdom is required for the correct action, no matter how intelligent you are. Vonnegot's "Cat's Cradle" illustrates this dilemma quite well. 1 "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namutree Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 How smart is smart. I mean, what does it mean to be intelligent. What if you have a vocabulary of two-hundred thousand words, locked down in form and function, until and when speaking publicly ... whereupon it evaporates ... are you smart in quantity but stupid in quality? Asking for a friend. I would consider intelligence to be a combination of the rate at which you learn, and of how complicated the concepts you can fathom. "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 In the US, they leave the thinking to the government... they even have a Federal Bureau of Intelligence 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Thought it was Investigation. Although the FBI is the domestic intelligence service (CIA/NSA overreach not withstanding). After reading some cyberpunk material, I don't dream of that future Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) From what I understand of the genetic structure of humanity it is a spiderweb, scientists expected a great many more genes to be present each controlling one thing and found far fewer, and our makeup was spread amongst an intricate web where tweaking one thing has a ripple effecting producing unusual side effects. Thus it is not quite as simple as isolating one gene, one must tweak an entire pattern and hope the side effects are not so detrimental. I may be wrong however, this is just from reading an authors submitted summary of his work. Edit: I want more life ******! Edited December 22, 2015 by Nonek Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barothmuk Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Well if there will be a gene therapy for it, this will only stgnate the positions of wealth and power. Rich will make sure tha their kids will be "smart" well educated and with a lot of financial assets. It will only limit the movement between the poor, the middle class and the rich.That's how it always is. That'd be great! Shame it'll be used to **** the most of us over The point i am trying to make is that intelligence alone will not cut it. Wisdom is required for the correct action, no matter how intelligent you are.Although true I hardly see this as an argument against. I'd rather live in a society of intelligent unwise people than a society of unintelligent unwise people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 So... the eugenics people were right all along. The world will be ruled by whoever starts gassing the stupid first. I bet you could raise the national IQ by quite a bit by making a cut off point in the scoring under which you would be made into lampshades. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenixp Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) I bet you could raise the national IQ by quite a bit by making a cut off point in the scoring under which you would be made into lampshades.Which will be useful as soon as IQ test are actually accurate at measuring individual's intelligence, which, as it turned out, is not really something you can compress into a single number "I'm okay guys, I'm 145 intelligent!" Edited December 22, 2015 by Fenixp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Yeah those objections are valid. They have gotten better at making the tests though. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 75% of IQ probably comes from this study that says that Genetic research has shown that intelligence makes a major contribution to the heritability of educational achievement. However, we show that other broad domains of behavior such as personality and psychopathology also account for genetic influence on GCSE scores beyond that predicted by intelligence. Together with intelligence, these domains account for 75% of the heritability of GCSE scores. http://www.pnas.org/content/111/42/15273 I don't think it's reasonable to equate academic achievement to intelligence either, considering how many are without those opportunities. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 "I'm okay guys, I'm 145 intelligent!" Hey, well just add more decimals, we all know that's an indication of precision. 1 Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Is it worth noting that the most successful lifeforms don't really need intelligence, and in fact would probably regard it as a hindrance? Edit: Though it could be argued that we are approaching these simple lifeforms adaptability from another direction. Edited December 22, 2015 by Nonek Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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