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Rich Chinese parents are paying American women to be surrogate mothers so the babies will have US citizenship

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Wow. How time has changed.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/23/news/china-us-surrogacy/

 

 

Its one of those stories when you actually read it you realize its not such a big deal.....you guys need to just learn to accept that people want to immigrate to the USA and there is nothing you can do to stop it so rather learn to embrace it  :geek:


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But... China is awesome... why wouldn't they want to live in CHINA forever?

 

Why would people want to migrate to the US which if you listen to the masses and the know it alls' is the most evil country in the world. I mean... they have guns...  That is evil.

 

 

Seriously, why not migrate to a good pure country like Iran, NK, Russia, etc. But, US?

COME ON.

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But... China is awesome... why wouldn't they want to live in CHINA forever?

 

Why would people want to migrate to the US which if you listen to the masses and the know it alls' is the most evil country in the world. I mean... they have guns...  That is evil.

 

 

Seriously, why not migrate to a good pure country like Iran, NK, Russia, etc. But, US?

COME ON.

Trust me Volo what you mentioned is one of my REAL pet peeves about anti-Western sentiment that  I get confronted with  sometimes in my support of the West and there actions

 

People attack, judge and criticize the West and this also  comes from Western countries yet end of the  day the Western countries offer  there citizens the best overall quality of life,economic opportunities and political stability   and there ideologies and social structures nee/d to be emulated and replicated. Yet its considered arrogant, " not PC  " or somehow inappropriate ...so I just keep quiet and then something like Syria happens and suddenly people like Hurlshot are asking valid questions like " maybe if they had jobs " but what we should be saying is " its because they not like Western countries " 

 

Its not hard to understand this or  see why the West is dominant in most parts of the world. And its not because the West is " white people " or " Clever than everyone else " ...this is not about racial superiority. The West learnt in the last 300 years the importance of maintaining things like governmental institutions, human rights and the importance of a Democracy ,,,,and the West understands the importance of a free market and how  it can be used to drive an economy. The rest of world can and should follow the West...we would have much less issues in the world

 

Yet people seem reluctant on these forums to gogive the West the credit it deserves ....strange ?

 

 

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Forced abortions and the chinese parents have to witness it. No excuses for knieving leeches and maggots in any society.


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Forced abortions and the chinese parents have to witness it. No excuses for knieving leeches and maggots in any society.

But you can understand how being penalized for having more than one child would make people more likely to do what the Chinese are doing.,.....this is very expensive so it would be rare so its not like there would be millions doing this 


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Forced abortions and the chinese parents have to witness it. No excuses for knieving leeches and maggots in any society.

But you can understand how being penalized for having more than one child would make people more likely to do what the Chinese are doing.,.....this is very expensive so it would be rare so its not like there would be millions doing this 

 

 

Take your money and modernistic broohaa and stuff it. Using children as a ticket for materialist oppurtunity is objectively abhorrent and warrants the wrath of gods.

 

I haven't had coffee yet this morning, so excuse the language.


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- George Bernard Shaw

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- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

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Seems like a win for us, really.


"Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking.

 

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Forced abortions and the chinese parents have to witness it. No excuses for knieving leeches and maggots in any society.

But you can understand how being penalized for having more than one child would make people more likely to do what the Chinese are doing.,.....this is very expensive so it would be rare so its not like there would be millions doing this 

 

 

Take your money and modernistic broohaa and stuff it. Using children as a ticket for materialist oppurtunity is objectively abhorrent and warrants the wrath of gods.

 

I haven't had coffee yet this morning, so excuse the language.

 

No worries your response seemed normal for such an emotional topic. I prefer honest feedback on this whole refugee topic, we don't need you to think you have to be PC. For me I really want to know what your average European is thinking...and there have been some very interesting points made. At times frustration can come across as Islamaphobia which I think is unfair as you should be able to say  things like   " we don't want millions of Syrians coming to Europe " without feeling guilty 

 

Now I have read comments from 2133 about  everyone  playing your  part as a good European member and how there is no real  link between stories of Islam overtaking Europe and he does make some points I agree with

 

But both of you seem to miss my original point, everyone ends up debating topics whether Europe culture can take in these millions of Syrians, can we ignore such human tragedy  and how they may be extremists and now there are questions about security but end of the day the real debate should have been "Why are Gulf States like Qatar and Saudi not taking any refugees?

 

The EU gets " divided" and majors in Hungary throw away EU flags and think the " EU is not what they expected. But this exactly what the EU stands for...all members are part of the good and bad times. But my original point would have been simple " the Trains can arrive in EU but they simply get turned away until the Gulf States take there share of responsibility"

 

It is utterly incomprehensible that there are millions of people leaving the ME to relocate to the EU and they not being located in fellow Muslim countries....I'm sorry but that is just not right. And everyone just accepts it and assumes its now a EU problem 


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I agree with Volourn. Why would anyone voluntarily be American. 

 

In my understanding from the article is that the Chinese people that do this are actually quite rich (in western standards) and America is quite good for rich people usually.

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well they do it for a couple of reasons.

 

1) If you are rich and still have poor connections with governing party, the birth control is harsh and this is one of workarounds.

2) Not all the funds of these rich people are "clean" (if they were they would be in good standing with governing parties) and it is easier for those people to hide these funds in US and Canada (Vancouver is prime example of this)

3) For financial crimes like money laundering, in US you get fines and maybe some jail time (depending on the scope) in China, you get a death sentence.

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Maybe they want their kids to be able to use facebook and youtube

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Give us your overachieving, your rich, your overpopulated upper class yearning to breathe free...


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And people kept moaning about everything coming with a "Made in China" label these days. When the manufacturing process then get relocated to the US, then it's apparently also a problem :p

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And people kept moaning about everything coming with a "Made in China" label these days. When the manufacturing process then get relocated to the US, then it's apparently also a problem :p

:lol:  That's it! Close this thread now, Gorth wins!


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Wow. How time has changed.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/23/news/china-us-surrogacy/

 

 

Its one of those stories when you actually read it you realize its not such a big deal.....you guys need to just learn to accept that people want to immigrate to the USA and there is nothing you can do to stop it so rather learn to embrace it  :geek:

 

And I'm fine with that. If someone wants to immigrate here, learn the language, assimilate into the culture then we are only to happy to welcome them. The problem is that too many refuse to do either. And they take it to the opposite extreme by demanding we adapt to them. If you want to have a new life in a new place holding yourself apart from you new neighbors and then arrogantly demanding comity all while self segregating only creates hostility.


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Not one of your has mentioned the real problem: birthright citizenship.

 

Illegal immigrants are exploiting it.  Chinese are exploiting it.  It is the root of the problem.

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I agree with Volourn. Why would anyone voluntarily be American.

 

They're rich and America is great for the rich.


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"Trust me Volo what you mentioned is one of my REAL pet peeves about anti-Western sentiment that  I get confronted with  sometimes in my support of the West and there actions

 

People attack, judge and criticize the West and this also  comes from Western countries yet end of the  day the Western countries offer  there citizens the best overall quality of life,economic opportunities and political stability   and there ideologies and social structures nee/d to be emulated and replicated. Yet its considered arrogant, " not PC  " or somehow inappropriate ...so I just keep quiet and then something like Syria happens and suddenly people like Hurlshot are asking valid questions like " maybe if they had jobs " but what we should be saying is " its because they not like Western countries " 

 

Its not hard to understand this or  see why the West is dominant in most parts of the world. And its not because the West is " white people " or " Clever than everyone else " ...this is not about racial superiority. The West learnt in the last 300 years the importance of maintaining things like governmental institutions, human rights and the importance of a Democracy ,,,,and the West understands the importance of a free market and how  it can be used to drive an economy. The rest of world can and should follow the West...we would have much less issues in the world

 

Yet people seem reluctant on these forums to gogive the West the credit it deserves ....strange ?"

 

Your logic doesn't make sense considering where your loyalty lies. Nazi SJWs LOATHE the US. They much prefer ISIS, China, or Russia. :)
 


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Not one of your has mentioned the real problem: birthright citizenship.

 

Illegal immigrants are exploiting it.  Chinese are exploiting it.  It is the root of the problem.

 

Why is it a problem?

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I agree with Volourn. Why would anyone voluntarily be American. 

Because I'm afraid I might get deported back to Cuba.


I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"*

 

*If you can't tell, it's you. ;)

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Its one of those stories when you actually read it you realize its not such a big deal.....you guys need to just learn to accept that people want to immigrate to the USA and there is nothing you can do to stop it so rather learn to embrace it  geek.gif

 

There's tons of things we can do, but the powers that be are benefitting from it, so nothing ever gets done.

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I agree with Volourn. Why would anyone voluntarily be American. 

Because I'm afraid I might get deported back to Cuba.

 

Why wouldn't you want to be returned to the socialist paradise of Cuba? 

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