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Poll: Race Poll Better One (54 member(s) have cast votes)

If there are gonna be added new content (in expansion or next game) for playable races what is you opinion about this ? (multi)

  1. I would like to see new Elf race/ subrace (8 votes [10.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.67%

  2. I would like to see new Godlike race/ subrace (10 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  3. I would like to see new Human race/ subrace (2 votes [2.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.67%

  4. I would like to see new Dwarf race/ subrace (4 votes [5.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.33%

  5. I would like to see new Orlan race/ subrace (1 votes [1.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.33%

  6. I would like to see new Aumaua race/ subrace (4 votes [5.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.33%

  7. I would like to see new Race inspired by D&D/BG/NWN/IWD (14 votes [18.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.67%

  8. I would like to see compleatly new race, or exotic rece (beast man) or other (say what) (15 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  9. Don't have opinion/don't care/other (17 votes [22.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.67%

Shoud devs add new playable race/subrace to PoE ? (one choice)

  1. Yes of course. I will be very disapointed if they don't add anything. (6 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

  2. Yes i whoud like to see new races/subraces, but i will not be much disapointed if they don't add any. (9 votes [23.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.68%

  3. Yes i whoud like to see new races/subraces, but only if devs decide that whoud be good. (4 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

  4. Mayby, im not opposite if they add new race/subrace but im not looking for it to much (11 votes [28.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.95%

  5. Im mostly opposite agins adding new races/subraces, but if devs decide otherwise i will not cry. (7 votes [18.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.42%

  6. Im aginst ading any new races/subraces and i will be disapointed if they add new ones. (1 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

What do you think about existing races ? (multi)

  1. They shoud add some more cultures/orgins/backgrounds to them. (15 votes [18.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.07%

  2. They shoud change their looks a bit, at least some of them (say witch ones) (4 votes [4.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.82%

  3. They shoud change their stats/abilitys a bitt. (9 votes [10.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.84%

  4. They shoud add some race specific cultures/orgins etc. (10 votes [12.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.05%

  5. They shoud add some new items that only specific races can use. (4 votes [4.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.82%

  6. They shoud add some race specific talents or skills. (11 votes [13.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.25%

  7. They shoud add some more backgroud to them, say something more about them show more they societys, towns, life style etc. (12 votes [14.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.46%

  8. They shoud add some subraces to them or even new races. (7 votes [8.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.43%

  9. No their fine for me/ No they don't need to change or add anything/ im not interested/ don't have opinion etc. (11 votes [13.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.25%

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I merged the two polls. I thought the new poll was the one including the drow, but frankly the two polls weren't distinctive enough to require two threads, so I merged them. If folks need something not represented in the current poll, they have the opportunity to explain it by posting in this thread.

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... some evil elfish race ...


Races are not evil. Races cannot be evil or good.
Individuals can be. Either of them.
Cultures and upbringing can tend in a certain direction which may be perceived as either one.
But races are not.

P.S. Oh, pleeeeaaase no Drow.
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Polls Editedi please revote becouse some of th answers may not be corected any more :)



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I merged the two polls. I thought the new poll was the one including the drow, but frankly the two polls weren't distinctive enough to require two threads, so I merged them. If folks need something not represented in the current poll, they have the opportunity to explain it by posting in this thread.

Of cource but i dind se an option to edit a poll and i created new one so was a bit better to chose questions. New poll was deletad by you, but thats fine i discoverd that i can edit a pol (silly me) regardless of that thanks for merging threads...



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... some evil elfish race ...


Races are not evil. Races cannot be evil or good.
Individuals can be. Either of them.
Cultures and upbringing can tend in a certain direction which may be perceived as either one.
But races are not.

P.S. Oh, pleeeeaaase no Drow.

 

 

Races cannot be Evil ? So Demons not Evil ? Undead are not Evil ? Evil worms from undergraoud distroing everything are not evil ? :D Besides, Drows were not evil in general, but their society were....  There were good Drows like Drizzt, but most peaple in D&D have opinion about them from looking at their society... or at least the more visible aspects of it...



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Of cource but i dind se an option to edit a poll and i created new one so was a bit better to chose questions. New poll was deletad by you, but thats fine i discoverd that i can edit a pol (silly me) regardless of that thanks for merging threads...

No biggie. I noticed that you rearranged your poll, so all is good. I sometimes will edit things at the member's request after it's too late for them to do so, but I think you've got a discussion going at least, so even if the poll can't be all inclusive, folks are discussing things by posting here.

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... some evil elfish race ...


Races are not evil. Races cannot be evil or good.
Individuals can be. Either of them.
Cultures and upbringing can tend in a certain direction which may be perceived as either one.
But races are not.

P.S. Oh, pleeeeaaase no Drow.

 

 

Races cannot be Evil ? So Demons not Evil ? Undead are not Evil ? Evil worms from undergraoud distroing everything are not evil ? :D Besides, Drows were not evil in general, but their society were....  There were good Drows like Drizzt, but most peaple in D&D have opinion about them from looking at their society... or at least the more visible aspects of it...

 

I'm not sure there *are* Demons or Devils in PoE; there doesn't appear to be any sort of planar set up with any kind of travel between them. Undead are just corpses with souls shoved inside and basically piloting the body like a meat mecha. Worms destroying everything are just animals looking for territory and food.


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Yeah but Undead are consider an other race becouse ther to much differ from a parent race (undead aumaua, dwarf, human, elf), their evil becose their always do evil (eating humans) and can't do otherwise, Worms destroying everything, if they are a aspect of nature then okey, but if they are designed to distroy everything just as any other biological weapon (not only humans but ecosystem also) then they at least "bad" at least for us don't you think ? :D And im sure in PoE are some evil ghost, gods, spirits etc...or other supernaturals that are generic evil.



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I think we're at risk of falling into some philosophical debate on "What is evil?" :p If a hunter ventures into the woods, falls into the web of a giant spider and gets eaten, is that giant spider evil? Was the giant spider evil before, if that was the first human it ate? What if the hunter was evil? Is a giant spider eating an evil hunter an act of good? *puts on a monocle and smokes a pipe*
 

Not to say that there can't be evil individuals, but even those we meet in-game had motivations and goals beyond just being moustache-twirling-****.

 

Besides, the developers look to have been very deliberate in avoiding the generic good/evil dichotomy and planet-of-the-hats tropes, I don't see them overturning that just because there are people who want to pretend they're playing Drizzt in every single fantasy universe.

 

(Also: Dammit Katarack, now I wont be able to fight any zombies without thinking "meat mecha" and laughing :p )


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Yeah but Undead are consider an other race becouse ther to much differ from a parent race (undead aumaua, dwarf, human, elf), their evil becose their always do evil (eating humans) and can't do otherwise, Worms destroying everything, if they are a aspect of nature then okey, but if they are designed to distroy everything just as any other biological weapon (not only humans but ecosystem also) then they at least "bad" at least for us don't you think ? :D And im sure in PoE are some evil ghost, gods, spirits etc...or other supernaturals that are generic evil.

There are incorporeal undead--souls that attack people, basically. Undead are treated as vessels--really no different from an animated suit of armor. It makes sense--both are souls piloting something, both can be sentient, and both are not always evil. There is a form of undead that involves a normal vampire undergoing a ritual that flays all the skinn off--it's incredibly painful, but the result is an intelligent sentient undead that has no need or desire to eat people.



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Isint this a evil spirit ? (regardles if we consider or not consider it as undead or not)

http://pillarsofeter...edia.com/Shadow



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There is a form of undead that involves a normal vampire undergoing a ritual that flays all the skinn off--it's incredibly painful, but the result is an intelligent sentient undead that has no need or desire to eat people.


At least until they can't take the jokes. "Hey, Skinless Chuck! How's your skin doing?"

I'd eat people if I had to deal with that all the time.

Edited by gkathellar, 16 August 2015 - 01:37 PM.


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There is a form of undead that involves a normal vampire undergoing a ritual that flays all the skinn off--it's incredibly painful, but the result is an intelligent sentient undead that has no need or desire to eat people.


At least until they can't take the jokes. "Hey, Skinless Chuck! How's your skin doing?"

I'd eat people if I had to deal with that all the time.

 

"Man, you are hard to look at. Makes my skin crawl."


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Isint this a evil spirit ? (regardles if we consider or not consider it as undead or not)
http://pillarsofeter...edia.com/Shadow

Can an unintelligent or semi-intelligent being be "evil"?
Can they be a race in the sense of playable or NPC characters?
PoE playing a Shadow: You roam Caed Nua's backyard, and every time something living crosses your path, you fall into a frenzy and have to attack it, because you're hungry.
Very ... satisfying, and I'm sure not many would accept as a viable option for playing an "evil race". ;)
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There is no good and evil in the PoE setting.



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There is no good and evil in the PoE setting.

Please explain.

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There is no good and evil in the PoE setting.

Please explain.

There are no magical, objective forces called Good and Evil in the PoE setting.

Whether the moral constructs known as good and evil exist in the PoE setting is a question about second-order predicates and how we apply the word "exist" (see also: Kant on the ontological argument).

All that said, there are things we can all agree are evil for practical purposes, like eating people, or putting bayonets through babies, or TMZ. Shadows in PoE eat people, which is pretty evil. Does that make them evil? Maybe.

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Isint this a evil spirit ? (regardles if we consider or not consider it as undead or not)
http://pillarsofeter...edia.com/Shadow

Can an unintelligent or semi-intelligent being be "evil"?
Can they be a race in the sense of playable or NPC characters?
PoE playing a Shadow: You roam Caed Nua's backyard, and every time something living crosses your path, you fall into a frenzy and have to attack it, because you're hungry.
Very ... satisfying, and I'm sure not many would accept as a viable option for playing an "evil race". ;)

 

Yes it can be evil, if everything it does leads to evil (distroying everthing, just for distroying) then it is evil at least from OUR point of view, even if there are no devils or angels... if theres a race that eat people, not becouse their just hungy and their are part of ecosystem, but are killing them then it's "evil race", race can be "evil" if its character can't be difrent ( for example teached by humans)... if someone becoumes evil then we say "he" is evil... evil surely exist in PE, of everyone was kind and just ... the game would be boring


Edited by ChaosMaker90, 17 August 2015 - 01:46 PM.


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Yes it can be evil, if everything it does leads to evil (distroying everthing, just for distroying) then it is evil at least from OUR point of view, even if there are no devils or angels... if theres a race that eat people, not becouse their just hungy and their are part of ecosystem, but are killing them then it's "evil race", race can be "evil" if its character can't be difrent ( for example teached by humans)... if someone becoumes evil then we say "he" is evil... evil surely exist in PE, of everyone was kind and just ... the game would be boring

 

 

It sounds like you're conflating harmful and evil.  Galactus is harmful, but not evil; he just wants to nom.  Drow and Demons are evil; they're aware of our morality and choose an inversion of it.  There are already many harmful semi-sentient creatures in PE (wichts and xaurips), but almost no evil ones.  

Dragons are fairly close to an evil race, there are no "good" representatives that we meet.

 

In general, I think evil races are usually unrealistic.  Many of our "good" traits are functionally advantageous.  Societies like orcs and drow are maladaptive, and probably would not survive in the long run.  Sure there are ethical quandaries (lots of interesting possibilities with psionic collectives), but to fit into PE they would have to make sense as a long term survival strategy.  Even if a race displays behavior that is harmful towards humanity, they could only do it within certain bounds.  IE, there would have to be a reason they hadn't wiped humans+all out or humans+all hadn't wiped them out.  And their actions towards other members of their own species should make sense.  Dragons and vithrack are great examples of this.



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Ya'know, not going into spoilers (depending on how far along you are) but one of the major themes in PoE revolves around the concept of causing harm (intentional or accidental) in pursuit of good. The divide between what is good and what is evil boils down to a matter of opinion, and whether you personally were harmed or benefited.







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