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I have to say this is a good example of the principles of Capitalism going too far 

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I have to say this is a good example of the principles of Capitalism going too far 

 

 

For better or worse, it's capitalism working as intended. The much lauded invisible hand working its magic.


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Every single person i've met in the energy sector finds the quality of service going down the drain when outsourcing to India/China and in some cases, even end up costing more for the company than keeping the services in-house.

 

Topical: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/04/25/2219209/think-tanks-how-a-bill-gates-agenda-becomes-a-law

 

Basically the need for H-1B was a manufactured crisis made by think-tanks. The reporter was awarded for Pulitzer price 2015 for this coverage.

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Yeah, at work my team has an "offshore resource team" that we offload a bunch of our menial tasks to but I can definitely see them replacing us if they had more people/training/confidence


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I have to say this is a good example of the principles of Capitalism going too far 

 

 

No, as JadedWolf has accurately pointed it out, this is capitalism doing what capitalism does.

 

Which is, incidentally, why libertarian "let the free market run its course, it will work out in the end, honest" views fill me with utter dread.

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While unfortunate, the alternative is much worse.  Are you going to force a company to keep the more expensive work force?

 

The best bet here is to use the media to exert pressure on Disney, which is what is happening.  Disney will need to weigh the bad publicity against the savings in the future.  

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While unfortunate, the alternative is much worse.  Are you going to force a company to keep the more expensive work force?

 

The best bet here is to use the media to exert pressure on Disney, which is what is happening.  Disney will need to weigh the bad publicity against the savings in the future.

 

Well, it's not that simple: http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/service-management/businesses-prefer-cut-in-house-costs-than-challenge-providers-of-outsourced-services-3590995/

 

“Problems can arise when a service provider, who was previously the sole strategic supplier, for example, is unable or unwilling to pass on crucial knowledge to other suppliers in a new multi-vendor environment. In some cases, we have seen bad behaviour when valued suppliers have been asked to collaborate, co-operate and play well with others in the supply chain. So we understand the cautious approach taken by many organisations in order to keep their systems running,”

 

Or sometimes completely misguided: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/239202

 

 

 

However, the benefits of outsourcing are beginning to look like short-term fixes rather than long-term solutions, and the very same companies that touted this movement are now bringing many of their divisions back to the U.S.

 

As i already said, the climate of outsourcing is pretty much manufactured. It made sense when you could outsource the cafeteria, cleaning services and other facility services, but in some cases it doesn't work at all.

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While unfortunate, the alternative is much worse.  Are you going to force a company to keep the more expensive work force?

 

The best bet here is to use the media to exert pressure on Disney, which is what is happening.  Disney will need to weigh the bad publicity against the savings in the future.

 

Well, it's not that simple: http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/service-management/businesses-prefer-cut-in-house-costs-than-challenge-providers-of-outsourced-services-3590995/

 

“Problems can arise when a service provider, who was previously the sole strategic supplier, for example, is unable or unwilling to pass on crucial knowledge to other suppliers in a new multi-vendor environment. In some cases, we have seen bad behaviour when valued suppliers have been asked to collaborate, co-operate and play well with others in the supply chain. So we understand the cautious approach taken by many organisations in order to keep their systems running,”

 

Or sometimes completely misguided: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/239202

 

 

Yeah, these.

 

This utterly shortsighted "sacrifice everything for short-term profit" business strategy demonstrates perfectly what's wrong with... stuff.

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Well that and the idea that growth can be eternal rather than planning for how to deal with fluctuations and downturns, IMO, are huge problems with businesses.

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Well, Disney being cartoonishly evil isn't exactly a new thing.


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Heh, my company played some game to show there were no acceptable Canadian candidates by trolling job sites and just using the resultant dross as proof (we did get some good ones but conveniently they didn't pan out) so they could hire foreigners.

 

I hate dealing with these outsourced places though, insane turnover so the people become faceless and they seem to have come from degree mills.

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While unfortunate, the alternative is much worse.  Are you going to force a company to keep the more expensive work force?

Paying a decent wage is worse than importing workers to work for low wages? Especially considering that quality of service can go to ****?

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Depends on your perspective. If you are one of the Indian replancements I'm sure it's a step up. 

 

Not only for them, their families stand to profit enormously as well, and they don't even need semi-well paying jobs for that. We had an indian colleague working a menial warehouse job and he sent every last unused cent back home. Every now and then he'd go back on vacation and come back showing pictures of his home and family.

 

Yeah. Said home is a large, beautiful mansion on a huge estate, nice gardens and a really awesome pool. On the wage of a warehouse guy pushing boxes all day.

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While unfortunate, the alternative is much worse.  Are you going to force a company to keep the more expensive work force?

Paying a decent wage is worse than importing workers to work for low wages? Especially considering that quality of service can go to ****?

 

Disney is a publicly traded company, their only loyalty is to the bottom line. If you want better conditions and protection for US citizen jobs look to legislation, not Disney doing the 'right thing'.

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As someone who has been laid off before, no company owes you a job. They will keep you around so long as it is in their interest to do so. As long as the service you provide adds value at the cost it requires to have you add it. We are not going to start having legislation from f-----g Congress or anything like that to fix it. It's just how things are. Every person who isn't self employed would do well to remember they are a disposable commodity and they need to keep their skill sharp and always be mindful of who is hiring and what they are paying. You owe your company no more loyalty than it owes you.

 

That's why I prefer 401K to a pension. It's portable. All employment is temporary when you get down to it. What happened to these folks was s----y no doubt. But Hurlshot nailed it, if you are going to start preventing companies from making personnel decisions you are going to see companies move overseas. That would not be an improvement.

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While unfortunate, the alternative is much worse.  Are you going to force a company to keep the more expensive work force?

 

Paying a decent wage is worse than importing workers to work for low wages? Especially considering that quality of service can go to ****?

Disney is a publicly traded company, their only loyalty is to the bottom line. If you want better conditions and protection for US citizen jobs look to legislation, not Disney doing the 'right thing'.

I understand that completely, I take issue with theidea that the alternative of paying workers more and delivering better service being worse than using cheap labor.


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As someone who has been laid off before, no company owes you a job. They will keep you around so long as it is in their interest to do so. As long as the service you provide adds value at the cost it requires to have you add it. We are not going to start having legislation from f-----g Congress or anything like that to fix it. It's just how things are. Every person who isn't self employed would do well to remember they are a disposable commodity and they need to keep their skill sharp and always be mindful of who is hiring and what they are paying. You owe your company no more loyalty than it owes you.

 

That's why I prefer 401K to a pension. It's portable. All employment is temporary when you get down to it. What happened to these folks was s----y no doubt. But Hurlshot nailed it, if you are going to start preventing companies from making personnel decisions you are going to see companies move overseas. That would not be an improvement.

 

No one is denying this. The company looks after its interests and employees after theirs, but the problem comes when the game becomes tilted when the faceless corporations are the ones making up the laws thanks to their cosy relationship with the government. See my link about the H-1B visa "crisis" to understand what i am getting at.

 

//edit: I am always under the assumption that the employee see honest work as the best pay in itself. The wage is just a matter of negotiation of self-interest between the interested parties.

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No, no, no.

 

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//edit: I am always under the assumption that the employee see honest work as the best pay in itself. The wage is just a matter of negotiation of self-interest between the interested parties.

Go home Mehugger, youre drunk. :p

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I bet all those pinko-commie leftist garbage people here will come to complain soon. happy0203.gif

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Disney is a publicly traded company, their only loyalty is to the bottom line. If you want better conditions and protection for US citizen jobs look to legislation, not Disney doing the 'right thing'.

Yeah, one shouldn't expect corporations to do the right thing, because... reasons. Regardless, I wouldn't hold my breath for legislation to fix this mess, because legislation is literally bought and paid for by the corporations it benefits.

 

So I can't expect corporations not to **** me over, and I can't expect the Man not to **** me over. Hmm, that's nice. But not to worry, I'm sure that putting a piece of paper in a plastic box next year will totally change things this time.

 

 

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