1.04 I can't figure out Enduring Flames/Wounding Shot DOT damage/tick

[peddroelm]

test data on enduring flames - they also produce 6 parallel DOTs for bludnerbuss combusting wounds synergy

 

Data relevant for test 20 base great sword. 33% might bonus Two Handed Focus 15% . Against 15 slash DR 12 fire DR

Two handed focus did not apply - maybe to much talent shuffling trough console ..

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 8.624634 // sword swing graze  20 * (1 + 0.33 -0.5) *0.2 [MIN] +  20 * (1 + 0.33 -0.5)*0.5 - 12 * 0.25

+38 ms |Health Damage 2.302124 

+9051 ms |Health Damage 2.302124

+3007 ms |Health Damage 2.302124

 

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 36.909912 //  sword swing crit  20 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.5 )-15 +  20 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.5 )*0.5 - 12 * 0.25

+39 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3006 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3013 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3017 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3009 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3005 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3027 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

 

longer DOT duration as expected but surprisingly lower damage .. Weapon has constant damage.. DOT damage not calculated based of weapon damage roll ??! Nowhere near the expected 50% promised in description .. (****ty ability on its own - enduring flames)

 

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 21.909912 // sword hit   20 * (1 + 0.33 ) -15 +  20 * (1 + 0.33 )*0.5 - 12 * 0.25 = 21.9 

+41 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

+3009 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

+3010 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

+3024 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

+3112 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

 

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 21.909912 // sword hit

+44 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

+2997 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

+3025 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

+3012 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

+3002 ms |Health Damage 1.247498

 

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 36.909912 // Crit - longer duration but why lower damage ticks ?!  20 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.5 )-15 +  20 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.5 )*0.5 - 12 * 0.25

+41 ms |Health Damage 0.895935  

+3001 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3004 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3015 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3257 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3004 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

+3027 ms |Health Damage 0.895935

 

 

1.247 * 5 -   20 * (1 + 0.33 )  * 0.5 = -7.065

1.247 * 5 -   20  * 0.5  =  -3.765

 

 0.895935 * 7 -   20 * (1 + 0.33 + 0.5 )  * 0.5 = -12.028455

 0.895935 * 7 -   20 *  0.5  =  -3.728455

 

2.302124 * 3 =6.906372  // graze

1,24700 * 5 =6.235 // hit

0.895935 * 7 = 6.271545 // Crit

 

50% damage as DOT (ability description) .. 50% of WHAT ?!?!? 

 

 

 

 

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Lets try wounding shot then 20 base damage greatsword. 36% might 15% two handed ..

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 5.207214 // graze   20 * (1+ 0.36 + 0.15 - 0.5) - 15

+56 ms |Health Damage 7.703796

+11155 ms |Health Damage 7.703796

+12192 ms |Health Damage 7.703796

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 15.207214 // hit 20 * (1+ 0.36 + 0.15 ) - 15

+45 ms |Health Damage 4.810974

+2997 ms |Health Damage 4.810974

+3012 ms |Health Damage 4.810974

+3009 ms |Health Damage 4.810974

+3018 ms |Health Damage 4.810974

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 25.207214 // crit  20 * (1+ 0.36 + 0.15 + 0.5) - 15

+43 ms |Health Damage 3.846680

+2995 ms |Health Damage 3.846680

+3026 ms |Health Damage 3.846680

+3005 ms |Health Damage 3.846680

+3019 ms |Health Damage 3.846680

+3012 ms |Health Damage 3.846680

+2991 ms |Health Damage 3.846680

+3006 ms |Health Damage 3.846680

 

7.7 * 3 = 23.1

4.81 * 5 = 24.05

3.846 * 8 = 30.768 

 

*1 of ??!??

 

 

Since the damage ticks are consistent - it means that they are in fact calculated as function of weapon base damage...But how ?! 

 

 

7.7 / 2.3 = 3.348

4.81 / 1.24700 = 3.857

3.846 / 0.896 = 4.292 

Are they even using the same formula ?? 

 

 

Turned on savage attack

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 29.207214 // crit 20 * (1+ 0.36 + 0.15 + 0.5 + 0.2) - 15

+54 ms |Health Damage 4.602478

+3002 ms |Health Damage 4.602478

+3029 ms |Health Damage 4.602478

+3023 ms |Health Damage 4.602478

+3009 ms |Health Damage 4.602478

+3002 ms |Health Damage 4.602478

+3026 ms |Health Damage 4.602478

+3021 ms |Health Damage 4.602478

 

So damage per tick includes damage mods (it went up with after turning on savage attack) .. 

 

Paladin int score  + 35% duration    Ranger Int score +30% Duration.. Next time I should probably check what happens if I change their intelligence to 10 (not only DOT duration but maybe damage per tick would change ? )..

Edited April 28, 2015 by peddroelm

[peddroelm]

in progress

 

(changed armor on target 8 slash DR and 6? burn DR)

+0 ms |Health Damage 32.211731  // hit 

+460 ms |Health Damage 2.795959

+3076 ms |Health Damage 2.795959

+2998 ms |Health Damage 2.795959

+3000 ms |Health Damage 2.795959

+3037 ms |Health Damage 2.795959

 

 

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 Changed Paladin's INT to 10

 

 

+432 ms |Health Damage 17.211731 // graze

+44 ms |Health Damage 5.927917

+3017 ms |Health Damage 5.927917

 

+456 ms |Health Damage 32.211731 // hit

+46 ms |Health Damage 4.299561

+3024 ms |Health Damage 4.299561

+3039 ms |Health Damage 4.299561

+3017 ms |Health Damage 4.299561

 

+753 ms |Health Damage 47.211731 // crit

+55 ms |Health Damage 3.756775

+3036 ms |Health Damage 3.756775

+3034 ms |Health Damage 3.756775

+3021 ms |Health Damage 3.756775

+3011 ms |Health Damage 3.756775

 

 

2.8 * 5 - 4.3 * 4 = -3.2 .. Lower int did more damage .. So perhaps burn DR is substracted and having fewer DOT ticks helped .. MOAR DAMAGE WITH LESS INT FTW ..

 

 

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dropped armor on test subject 0 DR all

 

+351 ms |Health Damage 26.711731  // graze

+46 ms |Health Damage 7.427917 

+3015 ms |Health Damage 7.427917

 

+347 ms |Health Damage 41.711731 // hit

+45 ms |Health Damage 5.799561

+3014 ms |Health Damage 5.799561

+3012 ms |Health Damage 5.799561

+3041 ms |Health Damage 5.799561

 

+445 ms |Health Damage 56.711731 // crit

+48 ms |Health Damage 5.256775

+3021 ms |Health Damage 5.256775

+3008 ms |Health Damage 5.256775

+3021 ms |Health Damage 5.256775

+3020 ms |Health Damage 5.256775

 

5.25 * 5 - 5.8 * 4 = 3.5 ..   7.42 - 5.93 = 1.49 5.8 - 4.3 = 1.5  5.26 - 3.76 = 1.5

6 * 0.25 = 1.5 ..

 

SEEMS ENDURING FLAMES DOT  ticks lose Target's_BURN_DR * 0.25 damage / tick ..And because high Int makes it tick longer for less damage per tick it will substract the fire DR more times and do less total damage LOL .. 

 

upped paladin might bonus  to 105% 

 

+464 ms |Health Damage 46.531555 // graze

+52 ms |Health Damage 19.087708

+3032 ms |Health Damage 19.087708

 

+729 ms |Health Damage 61.531555 // hit  20.5 over 10 seconds on barb as active effect - total damage actually inflicted 50.48 ..

+80 ms |Health Damage 12.620422

+3033 ms |Health Damage 12.620422

+3016 ms |Health Damage 12.620422

+3023 ms |Health Damage 12.620422

 

+351 ms |Health Damage 76.531555 // crit

+44 ms |Health Damage 10.464661

+3034 ms |Health Damage 10.464661

+3031 ms |Health Damage 10.464661

+3072 ms |Health Damage 10.464661

+3029 ms |Health Damage 10.464661

 

 

20 * (1 + 1.05 ) + 20 * (1 + 1.05 ) * 0.5 = 61.5 (again handed style didn't work on paladin) ..

 

20 * (1 + 1.05 ) = 41 !!! LOOKS GOOD  (20.5 * 2)  (weapon damage) ..At least the  I've figured the displayed value in active effects, actual damage inflicted still eludes me ..

Edited April 29, 2015 by peddroelm

[peddroelm]

dropped ranger's intelect to 10 .. Wounding shot tests -same 20 weapon vs same 0 DR target

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 21.408386  // graze  21.4 over 6 seconds  AHA

+46 ms |Health Damage 15.204468

+3022 ms |Health Damage 15.204468

 

+11319 ms |Health Damage 31.408386 // hit 31.4 over 12 OK

+51 ms |Health Damage 11.153259

+2988 ms |Health Damage 11.153259

+3041 ms |Health Damage 11.153259

+3015 ms |Health Damage 11.153259

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 41.408386 // crit  41.4 over 18 sec YESSS

+46 ms |Health Damage 9.802917

+3035 ms |Health Damage 9.802917

+3041 ms |Health Damage 9.802917

+3062 ms |Health Damage 9.802917

+3001 ms |Health Damage 9.802917

+3001 ms |Health Damage 9.802917

 

Again Tooltips begin to make sense .. Actual Damage inflicted DOES NOT ..

 

upped might bonus to 108% and added 20% savage attack for good measure

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 48.621643  // hit 20 * (1 + 1.08 +0.2 + 0.15)   

+50 ms |Health Damage 25.296387

+3028 ms |Health Damage 25.296387

+3001 ms |Health Damage 25.296387

+3043 ms |Health Damage 25.296387

 

hard to test slash DR on DOT tick (if any) since it would also affect weapon damage applied .. Will work something out playing with damage mods ..

 

+0 ms |Health Damage 58.621643  // crit

+54 ms |Health Damage 20.332703

+3000 ms |Health Damage 20.332703

+3014 ms |Health Damage 20.332703

+3011 ms |Health Damage 20.332703

+3009 ms |Health Damage 20.332703

+3041 ms |Health Damage 20.332703

 

ran out of time.. More tests (perhaps) later ..

Edited April 29, 2015 by peddroelm

[MoxyWoo]

The description is off for Flames of Devotion. Its basically a lash effect of 50% and possibly DoT (but I never tested this, just went through hacking stuff).

 

Enduring Flames (Goldpact Knight) is the weird one though for sure.  That does leave behind a burn DoT but impossible to tell.

Edited April 29, 2015 by MoxyWoo

[peddroelm]

The description is off for Flames of Devotion. Its basically a lash effect of 50% and possibly DoT (but I never tested this, just went through hacking stuff).

 

Enduring Flames (Goldpact Knight) is the weird one though for sure.  That does leave behind a burn DoT but impossible to tell.

There is nothing wrong with FoD 's description and it doesn't apply any DOT without enduring flames (50% lash vs 25% target burn DR) ..

 

However this thread is about enduring flames/wounding shot DOT components and how their damage is calculated ..

[dunehunter]

DOT from FOD and wounding shot does not increase with critical attacks, they last X1.5 longer but do less damage in each tick. So the total damage is not increased when criting

Edited April 30, 2015 by dunehunter