xzar_monty Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 So, my rogue character had amassed a nice selection of traps into her inventory. I had never used any of them myself. But then I came across an encounter perfectly suited for that: in the catacombs, a room at the end of a corridor is full of mercenaries, and the door to that room is closed. I didn't deal with the baddies on my first attempt, so I decided to set the corridor full of traps, leave the rest of my guys behind, open the door with my fast monk and the run back to the rest of my group with the mercenaries behind me, setting off the traps. It was a good enough plan, I thought. There was only drawback: the traps didn't go off. I tried multiple saves, but no. The mercenaries just ran through them as if they weren't there. So, how does this part of the game work, if it does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckmann Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The trap triggers are terrible, and often fail to go off unless the opponent walks right on top of them, so you have to be meticulous with placement, which is hard.Also, use those lower-level traps that you find, on lower levels. On higher levels, they're pretty much useless. I've started to place traps with Durance just to get rid of them. But the fact that you can't use Seals at the same time and you're limited to 1 trap per person (and how many people have multiple machinists in the party?) makes traps very meh.They should: Fix trap triggers, because they're terrible and often fail to go off unless stepped right upon. Allow you to place 1 trap per 4 points of Mechanics (1 at 0, 2 at 4, 3 at 8, 4 at 12). Fix Seals. Seals should not count as Traps and not benefit from Mechanics. De-value Mechanics by moving Detection to Stealth and allow the detection of secrets (but not Traps) outside of Scout Mode. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzar_monty Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Oh, you're limited to placing just one trap at a time. I never knew that. I don't think I'll ever even try again; that just made the whole thing seem like a complete waste of time. Oh dear. But thanks for the info! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosveen Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 It seems that your traps literally weren't there. :D Every party member can place one trap for a maximum of six per encounter. If they try to place more, their previous trap disappears. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabin Stargem Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I don't think there should be a limit on how many traps can be placed. Rather, I think there should be two checks: A mechanics or lore check to set up the trap, and a stealth check that conceals it from enemy sight. Magic traps should use Lore for setting up, on account that magic isn't the same thing as mechanical knowledge. Identifying and disarming a trap requires Lore or Mechanics, depending on the trap type. When hovering the cursor over a trap, a character sufficiently knowledgeable about the trap can understand the effects of the trap. EG: A Magic Trap that has the Animate Dead property, with an area of effect that covers several corpses in the room. Identifying traps is easier than disarming - this allows players to decide whether or not they ought to risk tampering with the trap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Shrek Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Don't invest in traps. Pretty effing useless. use priest seals instead. "The essence of balance is detachment. To embrace a cause, to grow fond or spiteful, is to lose one's balance, after which, no action can be trusted. Our burden is not for the dependent of spirit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0rsuk Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) Mechanics skill gives Accuracy bonus to traps. Also, you can sell poor traps and buy better ones. Edited April 28, 2015 by b0rsuk 1 Character backgrounds explored (Callisca) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzar_monty Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Indeed. Even the damage they do amounts to about one reasonable attack, which is not much. But hey, thanks for the info. And yes, the traps weren't there... The game also seems to have very poor intelligence in some senses. I opened that door, ran away and had one of the mercenaries run after me. I dealt with him. Fine. But, I couldn't save the game, even though there was no active encounter going on. I could only save the game after going back to that room, luring the mercenaries out one by one and dealing with each one. I thought that was pretty badly done, in terms of game mechanics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xosmi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Trap setting really needs to be fixed, both the trap limit and their triggers. Since i disarm pretty much every trap i come across, i end up with a load of them in my inventory, but they all inevitably get put into my stash and sold, since there's no use for them as they are now. No way am i going to invest into mechanics on all my characters just so they are all able to set 1 trap that won't majorly affect the outcome of the battle. I understand that being able to set any amount of traps you wish can be overpowered, but it seems to me that having a global maximum would be better then the 1 per companion system there is now, i.e : be able to set 6 traps maximum, but have any character in the party be able to set those 6 traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0rsuk Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) That's just not true. There are traps like Malignant Cloud which can deal considerable damage and weaken enemies at the start of a fight. Then they get -20 fortitude or something like that and are easier to knock down or target with spells. There's also Gaze of the Adragan trap. I wonder how strong Death Ring traps are - I've never been able to disarm one. Edited April 28, 2015 by b0rsuk 1 Character backgrounds explored (Callisca) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dododad Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Trap aren't useless at all. You just need high mechanic skill to see their true power. Anything around 10 will be enough for them to consistently do critical damage, and then you quickly find them very useful. Anything below 5 and they'll be dealing no damage at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzar_monty Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Ok. My rogue is at level 4, so that might explain some of it. I suppose I'll try the traps later on. I have also found them just piling up in my stash, uselessly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xosmi Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Trap aren't useless at all. You just need high mechanic skill to see their true power. Anything around 10 will be enough for them to consistently do critical damage, and then you quickly find them very useful. Anything below 5 and they'll be dealing no damage at all. Still, the fact remains that no way am i going to raise my mechanics to 10 on all 6 of my characters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalid the bear Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 problem is trap trigger.first, the trap area you set is tiny compared to trap areas encountered in the gamesecond. i used traps in a dragon fight. dragon wallked over (or rather his circle did) ower 3 traps, none of them activated 2 PIllars of eternty (Hard) 1st playtrough: 155h, 38 m (main Ranger with bear(bow), Eder, Durance(off tank), Hirvais(off tank), Kana(ranged), Aloth/GM)PIllars of eternty (PtoD) 2nd playtrough: 88h 30 m (main Bleak Walker Paladin, Eder, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue (ranged) Cypher(wand)(not counting reloads and experimenting)status i love the game, hate the bugs, and wish for better AI and Pathfinding http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/78749-needed-qualyty-of-life-improvements-information-and-transparency/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckmann Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 problem is trap trigger. first, the trap area you set is tiny compared to trap areas encountered in the game second. i used traps in a dragon fight. dragon wallked over (or rather his circle did) ower 3 traps, none of them activated Yeah, the trap trigger does not match the graphical representation. I think they actually have to touch the centre pixel of the circle or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalid the bear Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 well since the dragons circle went over entire trap i would say tht enemy has to stand on trap with its centre of body PIllars of eternty (Hard) 1st playtrough: 155h, 38 m (main Ranger with bear(bow), Eder, Durance(off tank), Hirvais(off tank), Kana(ranged), Aloth/GM)PIllars of eternty (PtoD) 2nd playtrough: 88h 30 m (main Bleak Walker Paladin, Eder, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue (ranged) Cypher(wand)(not counting reloads and experimenting)status i love the game, hate the bugs, and wish for better AI and Pathfinding http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/78749-needed-qualyty-of-life-improvements-information-and-transparency/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakia Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I just gave up and sell the lower level traps. This one time I am in full agreement with the "this needs to be fixed" group. I have but one enemy: myself - Drow saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Traps: pretty goddamn life-saving on higher difficulties, easily over-looked on the lower ones. "Art and song are creations but so are weapons and lies" "Our worst enemies are inventions of the mind. Pleasure. Fear. When we see them for what they are, we become unstoppable." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalid the bear Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Traps: pretty goddamn life-saving on higher difficulties would be if i could get them to work as i said i used them on certain dragon(PotD), whose circle went over them but they didint trigger fortunately, food,pots and scrols were enough PIllars of eternty (Hard) 1st playtrough: 155h, 38 m (main Ranger with bear(bow), Eder, Durance(off tank), Hirvais(off tank), Kana(ranged), Aloth/GM)PIllars of eternty (PtoD) 2nd playtrough: 88h 30 m (main Bleak Walker Paladin, Eder, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue (ranged) Cypher(wand)(not counting reloads and experimenting)status i love the game, hate the bugs, and wish for better AI and Pathfinding http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/78749-needed-qualyty-of-life-improvements-information-and-transparency/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Yeah, some part of their body has to pass over the trap to trigger it. Selection circle isn't enough. "Art and song are creations but so are weapons and lies" "Our worst enemies are inventions of the mind. Pleasure. Fear. When we see them for what they are, we become unstoppable." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalid the bear Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 there still remains that if my char withmechanich 12 sets the trap,the trap area is ridiculosly small compared to traps found in game PIllars of eternty (Hard) 1st playtrough: 155h, 38 m (main Ranger with bear(bow), Eder, Durance(off tank), Hirvais(off tank), Kana(ranged), Aloth/GM)PIllars of eternty (PtoD) 2nd playtrough: 88h 30 m (main Bleak Walker Paladin, Eder, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue (ranged) Cypher(wand)(not counting reloads and experimenting)status i love the game, hate the bugs, and wish for better AI and Pathfinding http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/78749-needed-qualyty-of-life-improvements-information-and-transparency/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dododad Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Trap aren't useless at all. You just need high mechanic skill to see their true power. Anything around 10 will be enough for them to consistently do critical damage, and then you quickly find them very useful. Anything below 5 and they'll be dealing no damage at all. Still, the fact remains that no way am i going to raise my mechanics to 10 on all 6 of my characters. Why would you be raising mech to all characters? Priest and rogue are obvious choices, maybe one other, you certainly don't need whole team on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosveen Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Trap aren't useless at all. You just need high mechanic skill to see their true power. Anything around 10 will be enough for them to consistently do critical damage, and then you quickly find them very useful. Anything below 5 and they'll be dealing no damage at all. Still, the fact remains that no way am i going to raise my mechanics to 10 on all 6 of my characters. Why would you be raising mech to all characters? Priest and rogue are obvious choices, maybe one other, you certainly don't need whole team on it. Because we can't have a trap guy in the current system, so if you want to specialize in traps, you have to invest in it with all your characters. Sure, it isn't necessary for normal gameplay, but if you want to use a lot of traps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohioastro Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You only need one to place the (good) traps in advance of a major battle. It can put the enemy in a world of hurt if you pull them across a nasty trap with an archer scout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Shrek Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Trap aren't useless at all. You just need high mechanic skill to see their true power. Anything around 10 will be enough for them to consistently do critical damage, and then you quickly find them very useful. Anything below 5 and they'll be dealing no damage at all. Still, the fact remains that no way am i going to raise my mechanics to 10 on all 6 of my characters. Why would you be raising mech to all characters? Priest and rogue are obvious choices, maybe one other, you certainly don't need whole team on it. Because one guy can put JUST ONE TRAP. idiotic, I know. "The essence of balance is detachment. To embrace a cause, to grow fond or spiteful, is to lose one's balance, after which, no action can be trusted. Our burden is not for the dependent of spirit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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