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So is this game actually good?

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Poll: So is this game actually good? (466 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you feel like you got hosed by buying this game?

  1. Yes I did and I'll tell you why! (28 votes [6.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.01%

  2. Yes I did and I'm too scared/confused/angry to tell you why! (30 votes [6.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.44%

  3. No! I feel I paid about what the game is worth! (186 votes [39.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.91%

  4. No! I feel I didn't pay enough for such a fine game! (222 votes [47.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.64%

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There is no need to make a poll to justify your feelings about the game. If you really want to know what the consensus thinks about the game, that's what Metacritic is for. And yes, this is one of the best RPG's I've played in years.

All I'm going to say about that is that I respectfully disagree that metacritic is the end-all.

 

Besides, I think it yields more results to ask communities who might not normally use the "established way of doing things" like metacritic.


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There is no need to make a poll to justify your feelings about the game. If you really want to know what the consensus thinks about the game, that's what Metacritic is for. And yes, this is one of the best RPG's I've played in years.


Metacritic is terrible and often hopelessly skewed.

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Game is mediocre at best. It's not even a half what was actually promised and the excuses for such state are borderline insulting.
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Surely youve also noticed the reviews and people who have said the exact opposite of the negative comments?

Well yeah. Even the masses (who I trust more of late than reviewers on more well-known sites) love this game which makes the constant harangue of negativity on the forum all the more mystifying to me; especially given how the complaints are contrary to how most people are finding the game (myself included.)

 

Yeah its a bit odd.. Though I have noticed it in most game releases to be honest



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Game is mediocre at best. It's not even a half what was actually promised and the excuses for such state are borderline insulting.

Would you care to elaborate? Those're some heavy concepts you're toting around and I'd hate for it to all just be hyperbole. Vent, my friend! Spill your guts! Tell Obsidian on their own forum how they hosed you!

 

Cause, seriously, I'm curious. Mediocre is a word I've heard bandied about on the chans but "not even half" and "excuses... are borderline insulting" has my interest piqued.


Edited by rkade8583, 05 April 2015 - 09:47 AM.


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Game is mediocre at best. It's not even a half what was actually promised and the excuses for such state are borderline insulting.


Well since you've been both bashing the game and trolling Obsidian on these boards for years before release, this is a shocking statement.
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Definitely worth the $90 the version I got retails for. Not so much the amount I donated, but I knew that would be the case.

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I'd gladly pay again to rebuy this game. It has it flaws (which not?) but I'm sure most of them will be solved with future patches. I love it so far and I'm grateful for having the opportunity of playing it. Willing to pledge for a second episode :-)

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Game is mediocre at best. It's not even a half what was actually promised and the excuses for such state are borderline insulting.


Well since you've been both bashing the game and trolling Obsidian on these boards for years before release, this is a shocking statement.

 

Well this should be perfect for him to spill his guts. Centralize it, y'know?


Edited by rkade8583, 05 April 2015 - 09:49 AM.


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The people who complain are those who compare this to Baldur's Gate 2 and expected it to be just like that game, as far as I can see. There are many "problems" with the game that can actually be translated to "something is different".

 

If you weren't a hardcore fan of BG2 when it came out, you'll likely enjoy this game very much. It's certainly worth its price.

 

And if you'll allow me to address some of your points:

- The story is better than that of BG2

- The classes are diverse and interesting and comparatively balanced which is a good thing

- The characters are more realistic than the ones from BG2 and I like them very much

- The writing is very good

- The system is fun and rewarding

 

All in all, the reception of the game was very positive. Even the people who complain about the game mostly do say that they overall enjoyed the experience. 

 

This. Furthermore, PoE system is much better than AD&D which was really boring and shallow.  BG2 was too much simplified and linear. Maybe if there were no Fallout and Fallout 2 I would like it. Fallout 2 is still unbeatable king of cRPG.



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- The game's system sucks

Don't hate it but I hope they improve on it in a patch, expansion or at least in the sequel.

 

- The characters are lame

Better than BG1's but not as good as BG2's, and not many choices but its not really a fault.

 

- Too small world

Probably because of Unity.

 

- Too few quests

Wish if there was more but its not lacking, some quests were good and some were not.

 

- Choices don't matter

A lot of the quests are flavor and the multiple choices were for the personality, choices don't differ much most time.

 

- The music sucks

Music was great, having more than one track for combat and areas was great.

 

- The writing sucks

Perception effecting observing and missing details of NPCs was a nice touch but wish if it mattered more. please improve.

 

- The keep sucks

It sucks. After reading the update by Tim Cain, I was pumped for this but its a huge let down. please improve.

 

- The "endless" dungeon sucks

Not as good as Durlag's Tower or Watcher's Keep and the end boss was a joke.

 

‚ÄčOverall the game is pretty good but hope they keep on improving it.


Edited by iLurk, 05 April 2015 - 09:55 AM.


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Backed the game at the $20 tier, iirc. After playing the released version, I actually feel bad about that. The game is definitely worth the full price tag.

 

If I had to compare it to the BG series, it's much better than BG1 ever was and not as good as BG2.


Edited by View619, 05 April 2015 - 09:55 AM.

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Thank you, iLurk, for going point-by-point. We may not all agree but we all should be seen.



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I backed it low tier and got more than my money's worth. Even if I don't agree with plenty of their design decisions such as real time with pause vs. turn based. I can't enjoy the spectacle of battle if I have to pause it every few seconds.

 

Also, to release it without proper pathfinding / combat AI was a mistake, imho. Plenty of times enemies didn't aggro properly and I had to fight a big mob 3 times because some of them didn't react. My chars would stop attacking for no reason, they'd refuse to initiate attacking for no reason and they'd get stuck on a pebble trying to go around a teammate. The close quarter battles were painful when the graphics painted a 3 man wide doorway but the AI would only let one guy through at a time. 



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I gave 50$ and would give 50$ again.  This game is *great*

 

The game was sold as a "spiritual successor" to the IE games which is something we've heard a lot - I really see this game as more of a IWD/Torment fusion lol.  It's got a *lot* more story and NPC exposition that I *ever* expected to see.  It also has a lot of combat that feels, situationally, a lot like IWD. 

 

I was pleased.  The game has it's little flaws here and there, but it's nothing crushing or game-ruining. 

 

Things I really, really liked in this game:

 

- Lore

- Visuals

- Music

- The NPCs

- Story

- The character classes

- Tone

- Plot

- weapons/armor system

- the fast forward/slow down system

- those text adventure thingies

 

Things I didn't like:

 

- Not being able to move items out of my stash into containers elsewhere

- Not having a rogue/true skill monkey companion

- The save/load times ballooning at the end of the game

- not being able to search without scouting


Edited by Gallenger, 05 April 2015 - 10:07 AM.

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I paid 25$ for the best RPG of the year. Such a steal.

 

Can't stop smiling when I think that a lot of people paid 60$ for Dying Light and labelled it as a "great RPG".


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There's no contradiction, incidentally, between having complaints, even major ones, and still thinking positively of the game.

 

The keep is terribly implemented and arguably goes beyond pointless into being a net negative.  XP is handed out much too generously and you end up vastly overlevelled unless you skip large parts of the game.  Hard mode is not sufficiently hard, thanks to this.  Balance otherwise still needs some work.  Defiance Bay feels too small, IMO; I'd have preferred one huge, densely packed city, rather than this ~4 significant interior spaces per map thing.  I think there's a bit too much pointless, unavoidable combat in some areas that make clearing out the truly large maps - the dungeon ones - tedious.  I'd very much have liked to see my personal character build choices more reflected in conversation - I can't discuss Waidwen or Eothas with Eder when I'm a priest of Eothas?  Pallegina apparently doesn't have anything to say about you being a godlike?  Dispositions being noted in conversation was very well done, but it feels like otherwise they dropped the ball.

 

It's still fantastic.


Edited by sparklecat, 05 April 2015 - 10:04 AM.


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Yes. :)


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I paid 25$ for the best RPG of the year. Such a steal.

I think that says more about the state of the industry than anything else.

 

It was... decent.  It has a lot of system and mechanical areas that need a lot of work, the central story is... poor to the point of nonsensical, and the companions are extremely underwhelming.  But yeah, it is better than the absolute trash that has released in the last year.  But I certainly don't find it on the same level as BG 1 or 2 or Torment.  A pale echo, at best, especially given that most of the story elements simply recycle the less interesting navel-gazing plot elements of those games.  It has a lot of potential that could be developed, but a lot of irrational development decisions got in the way.


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The game is good, good but not perfect. I love it, but I understand that there are still some people that are hunting for the perfect game that has that perfect thing that is just perfect for them.

 

I'll start with the negative stuff, beucause I feel these are more personal disappointments rather than failures in the game design (keep excluded).

 

Cons

 

Most party members feel like lifeless loredumps, most of the time.

Here, I said it there are points in the game where I just want top skip whatever they are saying because some random book, npc, kickstarterupdate, whatever had told me that tens of times already or I just don't give a **** about it. Yeah, I understand they want to push the setting but chaining everything to it is just dumb. Party members seem intent to give you a lecture on lore your character should already be familiar with. Some of conversations in this game feel like reading Words of Radiance (The Stormlight Archive, #2). I loved that book (been reading Brandon Sanderson since forever), but it had these flashbacks and sidestories about the "crab" people, which were so heavily foreshadowed that by the end of the book I started skipping them. Oh and when I reread the book and tried reading them I found out that indeed there was nothing there just recycled loredump. It's the same in PoE, it's like they were afraid that you will miss something that was central to the plot so they had to repeat it tens of times. There, rant is over. This is the thing I hate about this game and I understand that my taste can be a "little" ****ed up.

 

Attributes+Combat Mechanics

The character stats are just retarded, some of them are so infinitely better than the rest that it makes you wonder who put them there in the first place. There are some spells and abilities that make no sense. For instance in a particular tier of wizard spells thare is a spell that deals 50 AoE damage and a spell that disables enemies for 10 seconds, it doesn't take an expert in game design to understand which one is better. I hope they patch these at some point because as it is, some of them are entirely pointless to some classes (even if you are not min maxing which I don't do).

 

The Keep

The keep sucks.

 

Pros

 

Writing

Almost all coversations in the game are really fleshed out and feel like reading a really good book, something which I haven't seen in RPGs since ages ago.

 

Choices

OK, I understand people want to choose if they want to kill Star Child and to pick their own RGB. I don't. Choices in this game are refreshing, NPCs react to the way you are doing stuff rather than what you're doing. The game feels like BG2 with a lot of personal flavour to it and this is what I paid for. I never expected to decide the fate of the galaxy in the first place!

 

Area Design

I love the area design, especially most areas where you have 2-3 ways you can approach or finish them. Exploring feels rewarding and entertaining. Yes, battles are a bit eeeh and for some reason you have to sneak to spot hidden stuff, but I find most areas fun all the same. I haven't finished the dungeon so I can't comment on that.

 

Quests

The quest have this little Obsidian quirk where most of them are ****ed up, which tends to get old but they give you plenty of different ways to resolve the situation. I love that.

 

 

7.5/10 (80)

Would buy again.


Edited by SeekDWay, 05 April 2015 - 10:56 AM.






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