Limerick edit thread 2

[Ekaros]

 

Could someone explain (to a non-native speaker) why the original limerick was considered offensive? If i understood it correctly, not the transgender guy was killed, but the joke is actually on the idiot that couldn't deal with accidentially ****ing a guy and then he killed himself. So the joke isn't anti-transgender imo, more like anti-'straight guys with extremely insecure self-image'.

 

People in English native land don't have hardships so they occupt themselves by making them up.

 

 

That is usually white people with money, which is greatest privileged in the world... But they don't think it as such. And then there is some who live off this kind of attention...

[ChipMHazard]

 

 

Am I really the only one here who got the meaning of the new poem? People should have a second look at it:

 

 

It clearly states that the original poem was just a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously, and "They asked for blood" is refering to those who asked for its removal and it can't be taken as compliment (if I were "they" I wouldn't take it as one anyway).

 

So all in all it seems rather obvious to me that the new poem means: "your failure to understand an inconsequential joke resulted in stupid censorship, well done you hysterical crowd".

 

It is a good testament to the sillyness and apparently they [Those that complained] are now rather upset about the rewritten joke. Have to wait and see if they try to have it removed as well. 

 

 

The thought they had won, the joke is on them now. I don't think Obsidian will remove the new poem.

 

 

Hopefully not, especially since this version is even more vague in its "offensiveness". They may or may not try, it will probably depend on whether or the mob has lost its steam at this point. 

[RedSocialKnight]

People in English native land don't have hardships so they occupt themselves by making them up.

 

Hardships such as "censorship" and "misandry"? I agree.

[k1rage]

Could someone explain (to a non-native speaker) why the original limerick was considered offensive? If i understood it correctly, not the transgender guy was killed, but the joke is actually on the idiot that couldn't deal with accidentially ****ing a guy and then he killed himself. So the joke isn't anti-transgender imo, more like anti-'straight guys with extremely insecure self-image'.

you are 100% correct

 

the man slept with a woman who as it turns out was not a woman, and was not secure enough to deal with it so of a cliff he went, but for some reason Obsidian felt the need to cave and censor it 

[Volourn]

"You all just need to grow the **** up.

 

 

I personally thought the joke before the edit in the patch was harmless and people getting offended were just some drama queens.

After the patch and the edit, i also feel its a freaking joke on how people are geting offended because Obisidan took it out. This is a freaking non issue and i cant stop laughing out loud at all the people giving the game 0 in metacritic just because of this non issue.

 

 

 

Basically, GROW THE HELL UP and .... really.... i suggest this to everyone getting their butt hurt over this issue..... STOP WATCHING THE KARDASHIANS, THIS ISNT A REALITY SHOW, THERE IS NO NEED TO TURN IT INTO A DRAMA"

 

Says the one getting all DRAMATIC! L0LZ

[Kimuji]

Reminder that this got priority over literally ever single bug that's still in the game.

On the other hand changing a few lines of text is much easier and quicker than spotting an error in thousands of lines of code.

Edited April 4, 2015 by Kimuji

[Namutree]

If you think for one second that if he had said no they would have kept it as is you are delusional. The decision was made once Sawyer piped up. The backer had ZERO say. They probably allowed him to do the new limerick so he wouldn't make a stink. I guarantee he had NO say in the matter. NONE.

You can't guarantee anything, but your reasoning seems to be lacking.

 

If Obsidian was doing this to appease the SJW; then why would they approve this more offensive version where SJW's are insulted in the joke? Also, if they were trying to avoid a stink they wouldn't have done a thing.

[Darji]

 

 

 

Censorship is not only forced by law. As I said you are pretty naive if you believe that is the case. 

 

I don't believe I ever claimed that to be the case - I am pointing out that being told by a loud minority to change something is NOT censorship. The choice is still in their own hands. Of course you can debate the legitimacy of the concept of self-censorship, which is pretty much the core of the drama as far as most people seem to be concerned.

 

If Obsidian caves this easily to a small group of loudmouthed people (who arguably haven't even played the game for the most part judging by twitter responses), what will be next on the "I am a minority and feel offended by ___"? And how will this sort of behaviour affect the universe, story and future content that is still on the drawing board.

 

I do not care what it does or not does. And even if it was just some small stone which it basically is.  It is the principle of someone being offended by something most people do not even agree and then it get changed.  IT is ridiculous how worse this **** has gotten thanks to twitter and co. No one ever should carve in to nutjobs and Yes Obsidian did exactly that and while I am no expressing my anger. I will also never by a Product of Obsidian since I am totally against censorship in any form. 

 

I live in Germany and I have to go against a ton of censorship regarding violence or nazi symbols in video games.  It is just disgusting to me. Especially when there even was a mod to remove this messages. There was no need at all to remove this but now Obsdian has done it and now they have  to live with the consequences. And how big they are will we see with their next game. Which I will certainly not buy. And many other people here seem to be the same. 

 

 

Okay, but you do realize that in having such an overblown reaction to this all you're doing is further validating what these people are saying, right? That they made some sort of grandiose victory in getting a backer poem in a memorial changed, even if it doesn't actually affect the game in any way. Let's say, hypothetically, that everyone suddenly stops supporting Obsidian, not because of the gameplay, not because of the design or the writing or the quality of the work, but simply because the backer poem was changed, with the backer's consent mind you. Let's assume, hypothetically, that Obsidian goes out of business and stops producing games. Who benefits in this regard? The very people you dislike, who want to see art removed.

 

I hope you see the irony in this

 

Oh I am not feeling like a winner her. I feel like the loser.  because I lost a fantastic developer which games I adored and loved.  Right now I am just really upset and in a few days I will just not care anymore what Obsidian is doing, I am done with this tomorrow and you will never see me here again.  Also I do not play games because of the game play anymore. I play games because of the Story. That is why I love Obsidian games but I i love artistic freedom more than a developer.  

 

And no because there will hopefully always someone who does not carve into censorship and these are the people I will support.  Will they be as good as Obsidian in terms of writing? I really doubt. it. As I said I already lost  and I feel upset about it. 

[pstone]

 

Could someone explain (to a non-native speaker) why the original limerick was considered offensive? If i understood it correctly, not the transgender guy was killed, but the joke is actually on the idiot that couldn't deal with accidentially ****ing a guy and then he killed himself. So the joke isn't anti-transgender imo, more like anti-'straight guys with extremely insecure self-image'.

 

People in English native land don't have hardships so they occupt themselves by making them up.

 

Well, we have those non-problems in europe too . Just wasn't sure why transgender people would be offended, doesn't seem like a hate speech or a hate-joke (if thats the correct word)

Edited April 4, 2015 by pstone

[Serdan]

 

 

Obsidian is one of the few companies left still willing to make old school RPGs, both 'SJW' and anti-SJW sides are now detracting from this goal. I hope you all realize what you're doing. EA is probably laughing their asses off. Good job.

No. This would be a complete non-issue if the bigots hadn't thrown a fit.

Go read the replies to the other thread. Someone actually vowed to undermine everything Obsidian ever does. The reaction is completely, hilariously, out of proportion.

 

I have read them.

Then it is beyond me how you can imply that the two sides are equal.

[Rance]

Can't have discussion that doesn't agree with the politically correct opinion. It must be locked and censored for our safety.

 

THINK OF THE INNOCENTS

 

Thank you Big Obsidian for saving me from bad thoughts

your portrait is perfect, and I totally agree with you, you're such a big guy!

[KP the meanie zucchini]

 

Can't have discussion that doesn't agree with the politically correct opinion. It must be locked and censored for our safety.

 

THINK OF THE INNOCENTS

 

Thank you Big Obsidian for saving me from bad thoughts

 

your portrait is perfect, and I totally agree with you, you're such a big guy!

For you.

[Longknife]

I just think a little more communication from Obsidian now would do worlds to calm this stuff down.

[Nerdwing]

 

Can't have discussion that doesn't agree with the politically correct opinion. It must be locked and censored for our safety.

 

THINK OF THE INNOCENTS

 

Thank you Big Obsidian for saving me from bad thoughts

your portrait is perfect, and I totally agree with you, you're such a big guy!

 

He is.

 

 

He is a real big guy.

 

 

 

 

Can't have discussion that doesn't agree with the politically correct opinion. It must be locked and censored for our safety.

 

THINK OF THE INNOCENTS

 

Thank you Big Obsidian for saving me from bad thoughts

your portrait is perfect, and I totally agree with you, you're such a big guy!

For you.

 

SHiiiiitttttt

Edited April 4, 2015 by Nerdwing

[RedSocialKnight]

I just think a little more communication from Obsidian now would do worlds to calm this stuff down.

 

I know, Josh Sawyer never pays any attention to me either. It's very depressing.

[KP the meanie zucchini]

 

 

 

I think you should look up the definition of censorship.

 

You're either dishonest or ignorant.

http://i.word.com/idictionary/censorship

cen·sor·ship

\ˈsen(t)-sər-ˌship\

noun

: the system or practice of censoring books, movies, letters, etc.

Full Definition

1 a :the institution, system, or practice of censoring

b :the actions or practices of censors; especially :censorial control exercised repressively

2 :the office, power, or term of a Roman censor

This move certainly can be regarded as censorship.https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/censorship

Feel free to contradict the ACLU, but I'm going to give a bit more credence than you.

There's a historical context that you are either ignoring or is ignorant of.

But it doesn't matter, because even *if* you think the word applies this sh!tstorm still has absolutely nothing to do with censorship.

There are a number of people who will cry bloody murder if anyone so much as considers doing anything for the sake of social justice.

It's completely ridiculous.

I'm using the ACLU's explanation of censorship. If you have a problem with their "ignorance", I suggest you contact one of the biggest free speech advocacy groups and inform them how they are wrong.

[k1rage]

 

 

Could someone explain (to a non-native speaker) why the original limerick was considered offensive? If i understood it correctly, not the transgender guy was killed, but the joke is actually on the idiot that couldn't deal with accidentially ****ing a guy and then he killed himself. So the joke isn't anti-transgender imo, more like anti-'straight guys with extremely insecure self-image'.

 

People in English native land don't have hardships so they occupt themselves by making them up.

 

Well, we have those non-problems in europe too . Just wasn't sure why transgender people would be offended, doesn't seem like a hate speech or ahate-joke (if thats the correct word)

 

actually most transgender folks were not offended but on vocal one was and obsidian caved

[Kveldulf]

I just think a little more communication from Obsidian now would do worlds to calm this stuff down.

 

This is how the public relations speech will look, when it comes out:

 

We thought [serious]

[insert humor]

and we never thought [serious]

[insert humor]

So lets just leave the matter of [cowardice] alone and just move forward....

Edited April 4, 2015 by Kveldulf

[DavidHansen]

I am somewhat upset that the Obsidian CEO seems to have basically.. said something that wasn't true:

 

 

So all the other content was "vetted" - however, by the incredibly unlikely coincidence of the century -- this particular poem was merely not vetted! It was copy-and-pasted without anyone "vetting" it unlike all the other content which was vetted!

 

Alternative explanation: it was vetted together with all the other content, but now is retroactively "re-vetted" (removed). 

[Mungri]

Ok, so if a heterosexual sleeps with me and ends up horrified that I am a man, that hetero is a homophobic disgusting bigot.

 

Heterosexual men must be willing to sleep with me without any feeling of disgust from here on forth. 

[ComradeGoby]

Obsidian please remove Pillars from the title because that is phallic misogyny

 

Change it to Boxes because that is less problematic

 

I just assume you didn't "vet" the title properly

Edited April 4, 2015 by ComradeGoby

[RedSocialKnight]

You've brought such a fresh perspective to the topic that I can totally see why you needed a separate thread from the other two.

[Nosey and Opinionated]

 

Or they didn't care for the joke and arrived at that decision on their own. 

 

See the part about not knowing or caring about it until it was pointed out to them.

 

Someone had to proof-read the backer text - It isn't just machine text conversions.

 

Sure but that someone could be anyone on the team. Probably a peon because let's face it, the actual content creators probably had better things to do.

 

The team is not some collective consciousness. There is a hierarchy. What's more likely is that it slipped past someone skimming the stuff and never made it up the chain to begin with. Your argument treats it as though the collective consciousness said "this is a great idea, what a great joke!" and then said "oh no, Twitter! This was a terrible idea!" which would be censorship and caving into pressure, I agree. But in truth it's some little tiny BS thing and it probably was never seen by anyone with authority until now. 

 

In either case it's speculation and no one here actually knows whether it was censorship or a free choice made by the devs. So we are all talking out of our butts. What else is new on the internet?

[Mansen]

And yours makes an equally vague assumption.

[k1rage]

Obsidian please remove Pillars from the title because that is phallic misogyny

 

Change it to Boxes because that is less problematic

 

I just assume you didn't "vet" the title properly

watch out you will get censored and banned for your humor lol