HozzM Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I loaded my game after the patch and checking Eder, Kana and Hiravias...I don't notice any changes to their attributes. Does anyone know what was changed or if this change is, for some reason, not compatible with existing saves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ink Blot Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I loaded my game after the patch and checking Eder, Kana and Hiravias...I don't notice any changes to their attributes. Does anyone know what was changed or if this change is, for some reason, not compatible with existing saves? Just to cover the bases: they were affected by the stacking attributes bug, yes? If so, try saving the game, exit completely, then reload. See if that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HozzM Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 Two different issues here. I was talking about attributes, Might, CON, etc. I checked Eder, Kana, Hiravias and they had no attribute changes in 1.03. So I assumed that that fix did not go live for some reason or that it required a new game to take effect. In another thread http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/72070-companions-builds-ouch/page-11 someone reported that there were two minor changes made to Pallegina and Hiravias only... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancingcrab Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Is there a place where companion attributes are listed? I have no idea if Eder's are wrong, and I would rather not have to play through the intro in order to check. The Dude abides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonDai Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 From what people have been saying on other threads, it seems that a new game is required to get the new stats if you've already recruited someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HozzM Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 From what people have been saying on other threads, it seems that a new game is required to get the new stats if you've already recruited someone. Wow that is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckmann Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) Anyone feel like making a side-by-side comparison? I get the feeling that they changed the Attributes of the CNPC:s instead of actually fixing the Attributes, which is just all kinds of super-terrible design. Edit: Yup, I was right. This is just ****ing idiotic. Edited April 3, 2015 by Luckmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termokanden Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Anyone feel like making a side-by-side comparison? I get the feeling that they changed the Attributes of the CNPC:s instead of actually fixing the Attributes, which is just all kinds of super-terrible design. Maybe earlier in development. Now that the game is out and people have already made characters, changing them would harm a lot of players. So actually I think it's the right decision to just change their stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkathellar Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 From what people have been saying on other threads, it seems that a new game is required to get the new stats if you've already recruited someone. Wow that is terrible. Unavoidable. They'd have to force the companions to respawn entirely in order to enable the new stats. If I'm typing in red, it means I'm being sarcastic. But not this time. Dark green, on the other hand, is for jokes and irony in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckmann Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) Anyone feel like making a side-by-side comparison? I get the feeling that they changed the Attributes of the CNPC:s instead of actually fixing the Attributes, which is just all kinds of super-terrible design. Maybe earlier in development. Now that the game is out and people have already made characters, changing them would harm a lot of players. So actually I think it's the right decision to just change their stats. Doesn't matter. I would rather have a savegame mildly screwed with than to have something broken be broken forever. I am not surprised at all, because I have already said that I would be very surprised (pleasantly) if Obsidian dared to actually keep working on the game and the Attributes post-release, despite potential backlash from nooblets, but it doesn't make it any less sad to see them taking the easy coward's way out, instead of continuing iterative improvement. Furthermore, the glaring Attribute issues were pointed out as far back as BBv435, when the current setup was introduced. They should've been fixed then and there. The reaction now when the masses have showed up and weighted in on the quite obvious issues present is quite frankly bad, and nothing short of caving to mob rule. Edited April 3, 2015 by Luckmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termokanden Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Doesn't matter. I would rather have a savegame mildly screwed with than to have something broken be broken forever. I am not surprised at all, because I have already said that I would be very surprised (pleasantly) if Obsidian dared to actually keep working on the game and the Attributes post-release, despite potential backlash from nooblets, but it doesn't make it any less sad to see them taking the easy coward's way out, instead of continuing iterative improvement. I for one do not want to play a game that is still so much in development that the meaning of stats can suddenly change after I've spent many hours playing a character. I also don't think we'll ever have an attribute system that pleases everyone. Might as well make the best of the one we have and focus on getting rid of those bugs instead of redesigning things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solmyr Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) If I'm not mistaken, Pallegina have -1Perception +1 Resolve and she have been in my party the entire time. Nothing on Kana/Aloth/Durance. The other I don't know.Edit : from elsewhere on the forum : Did a run to collect the companions on easy Sagani Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 13 - 14 - 11 - 18 - 11 - 10 to Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 15 - 12 - 15 - 13 - 13 - 10 Pallegina Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 12 - 13 - 11 - 15 - 13 - 14 to Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 12 - 13 - 11 - 14 - 13 - 15 Hiravias Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 14 - 15 - 14 - 13 - 11 - 10 to Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 14 - 13 - 12 - 13 - 15 - 10 Grieving Mother no change Edited April 3, 2015 by solmyr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentTBC Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Aloth: Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 12 10 11 16 16 13 to Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 12 10 15 12 16 13 Eder: Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 16 - 16 - 11 - 10 - 13 - 12 to Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 16 - 16 - 11 - 12 - 10 - 13 Durance: Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 14 - 15 -- 9 -- 9 - 13 - 19 to Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 14 - 13 -- 9 -- 9 - 15 - 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMenace Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 So these aren't retroactive? Wtf. This and the lockpick bug forces me to wait for another god dam patch to play this game. Calibrating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentTBC Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 If you're waiting for it to be retroactive I think you're out of luck. The companion attribute changes will likely stay non-retroactive I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View619 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Try kicking the party members and re-recruiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don Zappo Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 My Sagani had these stats, which differ from those previously reported: Sagani Mig- Con- Dex- Per- Int- Res 13 - 12 - 14 - 18 - 11 - 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungri Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Im still only on 42% of my reinstall of the game. If that doesnt fix the lockpick bug I have to start over again to get lockpicks, or remake an XP gimped rogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt516 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Aww, I liked tanky Durance. Sad day. These really aren't retroactive though? That's silly. Can probably retroactively fix them with some mods though if Obsidian insists on keeping it non-retroactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telmorial Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 This must be a joke aye? They wouldn't fix the companion attributes and not make it retroactive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molcho Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 For those who want to avoid losing xp: Just install IEMod and set the newly recruited companion to the right level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipMHazard Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 For those who want to avoid losing xp: Just install IEMod and set the newly recruited companion to the right level. Losing xp? How so? Are you referring to starting a new game to get the new stats or is there some change in the patch bumps their xp down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasktratten Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I started over with the new patch. When I picked up Kana, his stats were Mig 16 Con 12 Dex 9 Per 14 Int 16 (17 with hat) Res 10 So -1 int? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanpats Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) I started over with the new patch. When I picked up Kana, his stats were Mig 16 Con 12 Dex 9 Per 14 Int 16 (17 with hat) Res 10 So -1 int? His Base Int is 17 like pre-patch, just that his +1 int hat doesn't give the +1. And When remove the hat he got -1 penalty. I think Dev erroneously delete the int bonus from the hat. You can click at his Int to see the he has base 17. If you save then load, his stat will be corrected and will be the same as original. Edited April 5, 2015 by sanpats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanpats Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I started over with the new patch. When I picked up Kana, his stats were Mig 16 Con 12 Dex 9 Per 14 Int 16 (17 with hat) Res 10 So -1 int? His Base Int is 17 like pre-patch, just that his +1 int hat doesn't give the +1. And When remove the hat he got -1 penalty. I think Dev erroneously delete the int bonus from the hat. You can click at his Int to see the he has base 17. If you save then load, his stat will be corrected and will be the same as original. Correction: This mistake was exist before patch 1.03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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