Walk toggle?

[Lythe Vodaine]

Hey there!

 

In the gameplay presentation, it looked as if our characters will be running around all the time, even indoors (in the shop for example). Will we be able to toggle between running and walking in the finished game?

 

Cheers, Lythe

Edited January 31, 2015 by Lythe Vodaine

[Luckmann]

Judging from everything we know and from Sawyer's misunderstanding of the issue, no, there will be no walking whatsoever anywhere and no toggle.

 

Everyone is a marathon runner on a mission, weapons drawn and ready for combat, whether in a king's court, on a shopping spree or in a dungeon most foul.

Edited January 31, 2015 by Luckmann

[Lythe Vodaine]

Judging from everything we know and from Sawyer's misunderstanding of the issue, no, there will be no walking whatsoever anywhere and no toggle.

 

Everyone is a marathon runner on a mission, weapons drawn and ready for combat, whether in a king's court, on a shopping spree or in a dungeon most foul.

Well, as a role player aiming to immerse myself into a game, that would be a real bummer for me. So NPCs are allowed to walk, but I have to run everywhere?

Edited January 31, 2015 by Lythe Vodaine

[Leferd]

Atleast your adventurers have a sense of urgency about them.

[Luckmann]

 

Judging from everything we know and from Sawyer's misunderstanding of the issue, no, there will be no walking whatsoever anywhere and no toggle.

 

Everyone is a marathon runner on a mission, weapons drawn and ready for combat, whether in a king's court, on a shopping spree or in a dungeon most foul.

Well, as a role player aiming to immerse myself into a game, that would be a real bummer for me. So NPCs are allowed to walk, but I have to run everywhere?

 

 

Yes.

 

Unfortunately.

 

I cannot describe how much better it would've been to walk everywhere compared to running everywhere. Ideally, you'd be able to toggle it or have it include mechanical effects, and perhaps only force walking while in combat (because contrary to what Josh Sawyer seems to think, you don't actually run around in combat unless you're trying to cover a significant, clear distance and no-one is actively trying to stab you).

 

But yeah. No walking whatsoever. Just running. Run to the store. Run to the farmer. Run out of town. Run up to the beetles and run around in combat, then run back to town, runningly.

 

Atleast your adventurers have a sense of urgency about them.

I can see it already, running up to the merchant and going GO GO GO GO WHAT IS TAKING SO LONG YOU ARE CLEARLY NOT OPERATOR ENOUGH OH GOD GO GO GO GO GO and then grab the gear, run out of town while simultaneously packing your multiple Bags of Holding that you somehow acquired before the adventures even started, and just start wildly smacking skeletons somewhere while hurrying through a dungeon, shouting at your team-mates.

 

 

Terrorists win.

 

Edited January 31, 2015 by Luckmann

[h3st]

Well, as a role player aiming to immerse myself into a game, that would be a real bummer for me. So NPCs are allowed to walk, but I have to run everywhere?

If the mountain won't come to Muhammed … you could start running everywhere when afk? : )

[Lythe Vodaine]

 

Well, as a role player aiming to immerse myself into a game, that would be a real bummer for me. So NPCs are allowed to walk, but I have to run everywhere?

If the mountain won't come to Muhammed … you could start running everywhere when afk? : )

 

Reverse immersion? Adapt real life to the game? Hmmm... An interesting suggestion for sure. :D

[Lord Wafflebum]

I run everywhere. Walking wastes time.

 

Fact: All successful people run everywhere.

[Nonek]

One assumes now that we must simply request that this be added as a feature for patching, the expansion or whatever, as the game nears completion. Unless some gentleman or lady modder sees fit to intervene, in their wisdom.

[C2B]

 

 

Judging from everything we know and from Sawyer's misunderstanding of the issue, no, there will be no walking whatsoever anywhere and no toggle.

 

Everyone is a marathon runner on a mission, weapons drawn and ready for combat, whether in a king's court, on a shopping spree or in a dungeon most foul.

Well, as a role player aiming to immerse myself into a game, that would be a real bummer for me. So NPCs are allowed to walk, but I have to run everywhere?

Yes.

Unfortunately.

I cannot describe how much better it would've been to walk everywhere compared to running everywhere. I

LoL No

 

Both are bad. I prefer a walk option myself but not having the ability to run is infurating too. Especially when you are confronted with fetch quests and the like. That also counts towards other gernes.

 

Theres several moments I remember when a game expected me to backtrack several locations and I was like fuuuuuuuuuuuu because the charachters were slow

 

Both are questionable design choices.

Edited January 31, 2015 by C2B

[Lord Wafflebum]

Sensuki and Bester, if memory serves, played around with it. When they had the party walking I guess it looked pretty weird and not flattering. It's likely something that OE would need to do- possibly in the expansion. Since it seems likely they'll ask for what we want to see in the expansion, it's a topic worth continuing when that comes up.

[Luckmann]

 

 

 

Judging from everything we know and from Sawyer's misunderstanding of the issue, no, there will be no walking whatsoever anywhere and no toggle.

 

Everyone is a marathon runner on a mission, weapons drawn and ready for combat, whether in a king's court, on a shopping spree or in a dungeon most foul.

Well, as a role player aiming to immerse myself into a game, that would be a real bummer for me. So NPCs are allowed to walk, but I have to run everywhere?

Yes.

Unfortunately.

I cannot describe how much better it would've been to walk everywhere compared to running everywhere. I

LoL No

 

Both are bad. I prefer a walk option myself but not having the ability to run is infurating too. Especially when you are confronted with fetch quests and the like. That also counts towards other gernes.

 

Theres several moments I remember when a game expected me to backtrack several locations and I was like fuuuuuuuuuuuu because the charachters were slow

 

Both are questionable design choices.

 

 

You might have failed your reading comprehension check there. I didn't say that not having an option to run wouldn't be infuriating. I said that always walking would be preferably to always running. Obviously, like I said, the best option would be to have both (sans combat, possibly).

 

Both, either always walking, or always running, are bad. But always running is worse.

 

Let me know if I need to draw you a spreadsheet and a diagram to explain the post.

 

 

I actually won't.

 

 

Sensuki and Bester, if memory serves, played around with it. When they had the party walking I guess it looked pretty weird and not flattering. It's likely something that OE would need to do- possibly in the expansion. Since it seems likely they'll ask for what we want to see in the expansion, it's a topic worth continuing when that comes up.

 

Yeah, without working out the animation, I think it'll just look weird to have the walking animations apply to armed "combat characters", especially with movement speed-changing abilities.

 

That said, I think it is unlikely to make it into an expansion, because I don't think Sawyer even sees the issue at all (like so often). I remember someone trying to ask him about it and got a confused response involving the Slow-Mo/Speed-Up option(s). Wish I could find it now, though.

Edited January 31, 2015 by Luckmann

[C2B]

And I'm saying there isn't a difference in how bad they are. One without the other sucks the same for different reasons. I was still disagreeing with you. So, no I didn't fail anything there, buddy.

[Luckmann]

And I'm saying there isn't a difference in how bad they are. One without the other sucks the same for different reasons. I was still disagreeing with you. So, no I didn't fail anything there, buddy.

 

Ah, you only failed the Literacy roll.

[Lord Wafflebum]

@Luckmann

 

They devs have been really active interacting with us, and if you pay attention to the "users reading this topic" you can often find devs perusing threads. I'm pretty confident when they ask about "Things we want in the expansion" they will seriously explore the most popular suggestions. If walk toggle is requested enough, and fits into the budget for implementation, it is quite plausible to see in the future.

[Crowseye]

Nah.  Your characters running everywhere is perfectly in line with the team's (and PoE fans') design philosophy that the IE games were basically just a big waste of time in between dialogues and set piece battles. 

[Tamerlane]

Well I heard Josh Sawyer and his goonsquad want to force all wizards to give half their quest EXP to the designers of D&D 4e.

[Lysen]

One assumes now that we must simply request that this be added as a feature for patching, the expansion or whatever, as the game nears completion. Unless some gentleman or lady modder sees fit to intervene, in their wisdom.

 

It is possible. BioWare did it with DA:I - the game had no walk toggle on release, then some people modded it and finally the devs added this feature. You can walk now, yay!

[LadyCrimson]

I can't think of a single game where, if there was a walk and a run option given, I didn't have it on run, all the time. Or if it was stamina based, constantly be running until I ran out of stamina, then grumble about having to walk while stamina regenerated. I suppose I'm impatient. I mean, I love exploring and wandering, but I don't like doing it at a snail's pace, unless the area to be explored is a 20x20 house.

 

But I do think it's odd not to have a walk/run option, both.

[Luckmann]

I can't think of a single game where, if there was a walk and a run option given, I didn't have it on run, all the time. Or if it was stamina based, constantly be running until I ran out of stamina, then grumble about having to walk while stamina regenerated. I suppose I'm impatient. I mean, I love exploring and wandering, but I don't like doing it at a snail's pace, unless the area to be explored is a 20x20 house.

 

But I do think it's odd not to have a walk/run option, both.

 

I agree. If there's a run/walk toggle, there should also be a relevant difference. Given Sawyer's line of.. uh.. "thinking", I find it highly doubtful that walking will ever be anything other than a token feature made on principle by request.

 

By ever chosing to walk you'd really just be gimping yourself.

[Lephys]

Maybe all the PCs work at Jimmy John's sandwich shop? *shrug*

[mwinding]

I think a walking option is pretty important. Gameplay footage kind of reminds me of Diablo (2) with the constant running, especially in town. Great game, but I don't think it really fits with an IE-like

[lsberlin]

The Option to walk should be a possible. I do not like to run like a rabbit. IMMERSION is important for a lot of RPG Fans und Purists.

Please Devs, give us a Walk and Run Toggle-Option.

 

Best

LS

[Rhinjavar]

Hey y'all! I just wanted to let you know that the ability to walk has been implemented into the IE Mod located here: http://rien-ici.com/iemod/pillars_of_eternity

In addition, the mod has many other nice features that help to restore the feel of the old Infinity Engine. I hope that you enjoy it.