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That's why GG won't win, ridiculously easy for Sarkeesian when utilizing outside media. She should be grateful for this, I tell you :lol:

 

 

Two reasons it will, plus a bonus:

 

 

1) We're the consumers. Those journalism websites won't last long with their pay docked.

 

2) Intel may get hardcore Israeli defenders involved with this accidently. Not trying to bring politics into this, but whether you support Israel or not....? I hope we can ALL agree Israel and it's supporters have quite a bit of influence themselves.  Personal support or lack thereof for Israel is irrelevant, I just want us all to acknowledge Israel has a huge following. If anti-GG under McIntosh collides with Israeli support (which btw, a lot of Intel workers are hosted in Israel), we might see that anti-GG narrative begin to burn.

 

3) Today there's a thread suggesting journalists are taking the anti-GG spin not so much out of a hate for GamerGate in particular, but because they believe it sells. They believe this sensationalist BS will get viewership and readership from middle-aged parents, thus they buy into it for personal profit. The thread is by a professional journalist within the industry himself, and this claim is verified by the mods of the subreddit. While still disgusting, assuming this is true, it's good news for GamerGate because it means there is NOT NECCESARILY a target on GamerGate's back, and it would be possible to sell our side of the story amidst a journalist group or two.

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"The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him."

 

 

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"To be fair, if I was married to Milla Jovovich, I would also be happy just making movies that show off her butt." - Hurlsnot

"You need to be careful, lest I write another ten page essay on mythology and how it relates to Sailor Moon." - majestic

"I won't say what just in case KaineParker is reading" - Bartimaeus

"Oh no! Is there super secret ending as well? I don’t care." - Wormerine

"Get some poor minorities, that keeps WASPs away easy." - Malcador

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Holy hell. I had a brief argument with the guy when he was here (I don't recall what about) and my argument at the time was torn apart in the space of a paragraph, but now I see he was going easy on me.

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http://unews.ca/ladies-first-smu-prof-suggests-classroom-rule/

Well **** me sideways, it's happening.

 

Isn't that, by definition, discrimination?

Yes. The best way to fight discrimination is to discriminate.

"To be fair, if I was married to Milla Jovovich, I would also be happy just making movies that show off her butt." - Hurlsnot

"You need to be careful, lest I write another ten page essay on mythology and how it relates to Sailor Moon." - majestic

"I won't say what just in case KaineParker is reading" - Bartimaeus

"Oh no! Is there super secret ending as well? I don’t care." - Wormerine

"Get some poor minorities, that keeps WASPs away easy." - Malcador

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As someone concerned with journalism as a whole, I consider this a must read to understand what issues we're facing: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2sn8at/hi_moosh_here_im_an_experienced_journalist_ama/

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Holy hell. I had a brief argument with the guy when he was here (I don't recall what about) and my argument at the time was torn apart in the space of a paragraph, but now I see he was going easy on me.

 

 

Not his best work. I had virtually no objection to his previous GG piece, but this is, heh, problematic shall we say.

 

He rails against 'the Gawker style' when employing an affected style himself, and the whole blog is replete with such stuff. Eg you certainly can 'punch down', in a national based publication, against a religion held by only around 7% of the population, a 7% which is definitively disadvantaged especially compared to the metro set epitomised by and which CH has as its main reader set. Indeed, one of his main earlier thrusts was that Chu could not comprehend the awesomeness of CH's satire because he couldn't speak french and thus lacked the essential context, so he has implicitly and explicitly said already that CH is aimed at the French (and hence, French Muslims), not the 1.6 billion worldwide muslims. Yet when convenient to his argument it's suddenly CH bravely taking on the whole, worldwide, 1.6 billion rather than the french 5 million- very Chu like logic there bro. Also, no mention of Judaism having 'special protection' in French law and that CH has sacked people for being 'anti Jewish' before.

 

Really, 90% of it boils down to "I disagree with Arthur Chu and therefore he is a doody head", practically exactly the same as Chu disagreeing with CH and thinking they're doody heads, even using the same flawed logic and deliberate affectations to make the (reverse) points.

 

(Note: I actually agree with most of what he says, Chu's a dismal writer with poor logic, and people should have the right to be asinine obnoxious morons, a right I'll happily defend with absolutely no intention of ever using it myself gratuitously. You'd just hope that most reasonable people would choose not to exercise that right, and would accept other people's right to call them asinine obnoxious morons when they do exercise that right.

 

Note2: I do speak French to a reasonable level, am hard to offend and it's very infrequent that I get offended on someone else's behalf, since that's a monumental conceit to presume what others find offensive. So I have basically nothing in common with Mr Chu and don't agree with any actual limitations on free speech beyond the obvious ones: public safety, slander etc)

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Silly me, i forgot to add the TB's tweet that got deleted:

 

https://twitter.com/EchoOwl/status/556040416139960320/photo/1

 

The video itself (check the description! Yikes!) "In an effert to reprogram the video game industry..."

 

 

Saved in case of they are changing it: https://twitter.com/masterninja/status/556061930251890689/photo/1

 

 

That's why GG won't win, ridiculously easy for Sarkeesian when utilizing outside media. She should be grateful for this, I tell you :lol:

 

I read the article and watched the whole interview with Anita which was painful at times. I want to share my views with you guys as I want to be constructive 

 

Firstly Malc raises a valid point but not for the reason he mentions. SJ causes are much easier to get support for  from mainstream media like ABC. They have been doing it much longer and as you guys know certain media companies support SJ movement. Does GG have this kind of support so you can also get your message across because it you don't you  are clearly at  a disadvantage as people outside this discussion will only see one side 

 

Just from this documentary you can see how they have positioned GG and parts of it are unfair. 

 

Her interview wasnt  that bad in the sense almost  everything she said did happen, like her having bodyguards and Wu having to leave her house. But of course the context was missing and obviously she only spoke about the bad that GG has done. But she doesn't control the anti-GG movement  and can't held responsible for what others say. Yet you guys are really judged and associated with one label for most people. Thats unfair as I said 

 

But the documentary wasn't very good for GG, it made it look quite extreme. But there was some alternative views from that Chris Scott guy  its just not something most would remember, oh did you notice the "remove hookers from GTA was also raised " ....glad others are also suggesting it so it can't be such a bad idea ?

 

But my point is you need to ask yourselves what you can  do about this type of negative  exposure?  Maybe you don't care and maybe there is nothing you can do, I don't know ? I just know it cant be great to have a news channel and there audience think you are misogynistic, rednecks who are so opposed to change you resort to violence 

 

So in summary  I do think overall the documentary clearly positioned the whole debate in a very one sided way...so some people will have the wrong idea about  what GG stands for?

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"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

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"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

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A couple of these make me laugh pretty hard. I'm sure it makes SJWs on the other hand go into a coma:

 

 

 

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"The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him."

 

 

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http://daemonpro.tumblr.com/post/100188395259/stop-comparing-gamergate-to-isis

 

On the infamous "worse than ISIS" comments from a fellow from the Middle East.

 

No happenings other than the PC Gamer dude dating a Ubisoft employee, any of you folks see anything lately?

"To be fair, if I was married to Milla Jovovich, I would also be happy just making movies that show off her butt." - Hurlsnot

"You need to be careful, lest I write another ten page essay on mythology and how it relates to Sailor Moon." - majestic

"I won't say what just in case KaineParker is reading" - Bartimaeus

"Oh no! Is there super secret ending as well? I don’t care." - Wormerine

"Get some poor minorities, that keeps WASPs away easy." - Malcador

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http://daemonpro.tumblr.com/post/100188395259/stop-comparing-gamergate-to-isis

 

On the infamous "worse than ISIS" comments from a fellow from the Middle East.

 

No happenings other than the PC Gamer dude dating a Ubisoft employee, any of you folks see anything lately?

 

Not about the dude himself, but PC Gamer updated their policy and issued an apology.

 

BroTeam has another "ask a dev"-video up:

 

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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There is the shanley vs milo (and Linus Torvalds) malarkey as well. But that's pretty run of the mill internet provocateure vs random target X stuff and only really significant for some more sjw wtfness and hypocrisy- open source is patriarchal rather than collaberative, who would of thunk? and the best way to dox a gay guy is to... post his phone number and get him sent masses of gay pr0n. Fortunately patreon is looking into the matter so I'm sure there will be a strongly worded letter of warning sent at some point.

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I bet Milo is quite thankful of all the free gay porn that he gets. But yeah, attacking Linus Torvalds on SJW issus is like talking to a wall. If you can't code kernels, he will think equally **** of you, no matter what gender or race you claim to belong with.

 

//edit: Seems like her ****-talk about Linus woke /baphomet/ up. Oh dear.

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"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

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http://powergamer.co/editorial/discussions-with-a-gay-gamer-2-alternative-roo/

 

Another gay dude talks about his experience with gg.

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"To be fair, if I was married to Milla Jovovich, I would also be happy just making movies that show off her butt." - Hurlsnot

"You need to be careful, lest I write another ten page essay on mythology and how it relates to Sailor Moon." - majestic

"I won't say what just in case KaineParker is reading" - Bartimaeus

"Oh no! Is there super secret ending as well? I don’t care." - Wormerine

"Get some poor minorities, that keeps WASPs away easy." - Malcador

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This is priceless - Bruce did you seen it? Its your utopia right here, man you would love to live in that xD

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I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"

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Veeeery topical:

 

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"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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Interesting what a member of GameJournoPros wrote today: 

 

https://archive.today/LAPU3

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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Interesting what a member of GameJournoPros wrote today: 

 

https://archive.today/LAPU3

So now we're as bad as Anders Breivik? Can someone explain to me how sending e-mails to Gawker's advertisers and donating money for pr0n is as bad as gunning people down?

"To be fair, if I was married to Milla Jovovich, I would also be happy just making movies that show off her butt." - Hurlsnot

"You need to be careful, lest I write another ten page essay on mythology and how it relates to Sailor Moon." - majestic

"I won't say what just in case KaineParker is reading" - Bartimaeus

"Oh no! Is there super secret ending as well? I don’t care." - Wormerine

"Get some poor minorities, that keeps WASPs away easy." - Malcador

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It's not because GG are right-wing/conservative/libertanians, it's because it's not left enough.

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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