Kiofs Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Why is the Orlan the only race where the female model is taller than the male model? A small detail that bothers me as a perfectionist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Why is the Orlan the only race where the female model is taller than the male model? A small detail that bothers me as a perfectionist. Maybe in the setting, female Orlans are taller than the males? 14 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkon Swiftblade Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I actually like that, I hope it's on purpose. I don't care specifically if it's female or male being taller than the other, I just appreciate that there are different body types and sizes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Ultima Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Many species have females taller than males. As a perfectionist, you should be aware of that. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantics Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Why is the Orlan the only race where the female model is taller than the male model? A small detail that bothers me as a perfectionist. Seriously? Out of all the bugs and features of the game, THAT's what's bothering you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeonsim Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Excellent a difference in Sexual dimorphism for a different race, about time that some one tried to make there different races/species at least slightly different from bigger human, smaller human, hairy human, pointy eared human etc. Edited September 28, 2014 by aeonsim 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedrefilos Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Why is the Orlan the only race where the female model is taller than the male model? A small detail that bothers me as a perfectionist. So what if orlan females are taller than males? What is not "perfect" here that bothers your perfectionism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiofs Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) @Azrael, the prodigy explorer: Except I'm talking about humanoid species and what makes you think I'm not aware of that. Ignorant people bother me, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of your existence. @Quantics: Hence, I'm not posting this in the bug section and have I mentioned the word bug? Oh wait, I just did that now for the first time! @Sedrefilos: If it doesn't bother you, then it doesn't bother you. It's not that difficult to understand. Obsidian forum, such a nice place to have a discussion! Edited September 28, 2014 by Kiofs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkathellar Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 As a perfectionist, you should bear in mind that biology doesn't recognize perfection as a concept - there is only the spectrum of what is advantageous, and what isn't. Why is it that, in a world with numerous different humanoid species, all of them should be expected to conform to the same set of phenotypical norms as human beings? If anything, they would do exactly the opposite, since each would occupy a distinct niche. Obsidian forum, such a nice place to have a discussion! We hurt you because we love you. 2 If I'm typing in red, it means I'm being sarcastic. But not this time. Dark green, on the other hand, is for jokes and irony in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantics Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 @Quantics: Hence, I'm not posting this in the bug section and have I mentioned the word bug? Oh wait, I just did that now for the first time! Obsidian forum, such a nice place to have a discussion! My initial answer is perfectly valid. There's so many things that are blatantly wrong in the current state of the game, and you complain about a race where females are taller than males, which IMO just serves to show your lack of imagination. Especially since that the game you're talking about takes place in a completely imaginary world... I just don't understand I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedrefilos Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 This is fantasy, they make races as they like. Female orlans are taller than male - this isn't even a problem, so there's no need to change it because you believe it should be the other way around for some reason (what reason I wonder?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiofs Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 @Quantics: Hence, I'm not posting this in the bug section and have I mentioned the word bug? Oh wait, I just did that now for the first time! Obsidian forum, such a nice place to have a discussion! My initial answer is perfectly valid. There's so many things that are blatantly wrong in the current state of the game, and you complain about a race where females are taller than males, which IMO just serves to show your lack of imagination. Especially since that the game you're talking about takes place in a completely imaginary world... I just don't understand I guess. So just because it's an imaginary fantasy world, it's make OK for Lineage 2 to make male dwarves look like old pedophiles? So even if Obsidian made female elves much more muscular and taller (like an aumaua) than male elves, it's ok? Since, you know....it's an imaginary world. You see what I'm getting at? You may disagree with me, but don't use imaginary fantasy world as your argument. This is fantasy, they make races as they like. Female orlans are taller than male - this isn't even a problem, so there's no need to change it because you believe it should be the other way around for some reason (what reason I wonder?). I'm pointing that out, because maybe it was a design flaw. My reason has nothing to do with feminism, if that's what you are thinking. I believe the Orlan males should be taller for consistency of their build, since they are muscular. I believe that should be proportional to their length. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Wired Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 This is such a weird thread. Anyway, I hadn't noticed this before, but I also hope it was on purpose. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Ultima Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 @Azrael, the prodigy explorer: Except I'm talking about humanoid species and what makes you think I'm not aware of that. Ignorant people bother me, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of your existence.Humanoid means a generally human like bodybuild. There's nothing in that precluding females from being bigger, as long as they are roughly built like humans.(i.e. 2 arms, 2 legs, 1 head, knees bend the same way etc.) Don't call others ignorant while showcasing your own lack of knowledge. For a perfectionist, you don't seem terribly concerned about perfection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantics Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) So just because it's an imaginary fantasy world, it's make OK for Lineage 2 to make male dwarves look like old pedophiles? So even if Obsidian made female elves much more muscular and taller (like an aumaua) than male elves, it's ok? Since, you know....it's an imaginary world. You see what I'm getting at? You may disagree with me, but don't use imaginary fantasy world as your argument. ... YES ! It's not a simulation, so if designers decide that pedophile-looking dwarves look better, then they are perfectly allowed to have them! Or if obsidian decides than in their FANTASY world, female elves are taller than male elves, then so be it. Why so much mental rigidity? Because you have read a book (or ten) where elves look like this and dwarves look like that, doesn't mean that each and every fantasy book in history will have to follow these rules. What I mean is, if indeed it's not a bug an game designers wanted to create a race where females are taller than males, they're perfectly within their rights (in my book). This is such a weird thread. Anyway, I hadn't noticed this before, but I also hope it was on purpose. +1 Edited September 28, 2014 by Quantics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiofs Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 @Azrael, the prodigy explorer: Except I'm talking about humanoid species and what makes you think I'm not aware of that. Ignorant people bother me, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of your existence.Humanoid means a generally human like bodybuild. There's nothing in that precluding females from being bigger, as long as they are roughly built like humans.(i.e. 2 arms, 2 legs, 1 head, knees bend the same way etc.) Don't call others ignorant while showcasing your own lack of knowledge. For a perfectionist, you don't seem terribly concerned about perfection. Do I really need to spell everything out for people like you? Very well, I will explain: In POE, you pick a race in character creation and (humanoid) race is a category used for human beings in our real world, so all the (humanoid) races in POE are a reflection of the races in our real world (causasian, asian, african or even apes). I said humanoid, because in our world we expect the male to be bigger than the female for every human(oid) race in general. Name one race in our real world, where females are bigger than males. We tend to prefer to see familiar things in games, which we can relate to the real world. I don't think people would like it, if the color of the water was red or if females rule the world in a medieval setting for example. Now you know why you are being called ignorant. You lack the interpretation of other people's opinion. When I said it bothers me that female orlans are larger than male orlans, you immediately assume I lack the awareness of other species (when in fact, I'm talking about humanoid races). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamerlane Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Obsidian, please make elven women taller than men, too. Just because. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumsteak Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Boy, this escalated quickly! The OP made a spontaneous post and clearly meant no harm. Maybe the devs chose these sizes so on purpose, or maybe not, it doesn't matter. But you should be able to post what you think — as long as it is well written — without getting the usual sarcastic/passive agressive/offending answers, geez! At worst, the thread does not get a lot of answers/views, but that's all. Edited September 28, 2014 by Rumsteak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Ultima Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) The OP is essentially "Why is this not the way i want it?!" with the rather flimsy excuse that it somehow offends his "perfectionism". I'd say that isn't exactly "no harm". Very well, I will explain:Well, that explains your skewed world view. Doesn't make your rebuttal any better, though. Humanoid is not a category used in the real world at all. It's a term originating in science-fiction to describe superficially human-like non-human species. It does not mean any of the things you believe it does. You called me ignorant because you are blatantly ignorant of the meaning of your own words. I wonder if you even know what ignorant actually means. Edited September 28, 2014 by Azrael Ultima 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknoman2 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 in our world there are humans. they are categorized by certain visual criteria that are comon to part of the world they are from, but they are all humans. amauma however, are not a different type of humans... they are NOT humans! they are as different from humans as lions are different from goats. and as azrael said, humanoid is a term that describes something that vaguelly resemples a human in it's form, but is not a human 1 The words freedom and liberty, are diminishing the true meaning of the abstract concept they try to explain. The true nature of freedom is such, that the human mind is unable to comprehend it, so we make a cage and name it freedom in order to give a tangible meaning to what we dont understand, just as our ancestors made gods like Thor or Zeus to explain thunder. -Teknoman2- What? You thought it was a quote from some well known wise guy from the past? Stupidity leads to willful ignorance - willful ignorance leads to hope - hope leads to sex - and that is how a new generation of fools is born! We are hardcore role players... When we go to bed with a girl, we roll a D20 to see if we hit the target and a D6 to see how much penetration damage we did. Modern democracy is: the sheep voting for which dog will be the shepherd's right hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 LOL at using real world biology to bitch about fantasy creatures. 4 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiofs Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Humanoid is not a category used in the real world at all. It's a term originating in science-fiction to describe superficially human-like non-human species. It does not mean any of the things you believe it does. That wasn't even my point..... And when did I use humanoid as a category???? You should really work on your reading comprehension. I guess that's not possible, if your IQ is not higher than a two digit number. ... ... ... ... I hope they come up with a cure for people like you, someday....I really do, for your sake... Anyways, I won't comment on your posts again. Too much stupidity for me to handle. LOL at using real world biology to bitch about fantasy creatures. They use real world biology/ideology/human nature to create POE. Edited September 28, 2014 by Kiofs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiofs Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) double. Edited September 28, 2014 by Kiofs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 LOL at using real world biology to bitch about fantasy creatures. They use real world biology/ideology/human nature to create POE. There is no real world equivalent of Orlans, Elves, Dwaves, Aumaua, or Godlike. Attempting to use real world logic to ascribe characteristics to these fantasy creatures is foolish. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiofs Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) LOL at using real world biology to bitch about fantasy creatures.They use real world biology/ideology/human nature to create POE. There is no real world equivalent of Orlans, Elves, Dwaves, Aumaua, or Godlike. Attempting to use real world logic to ascribe characteristics to these fantasy creatures is foolish. I meant to say as a reference. Human: Caucasian Elves: Asian (intelligent, feminine look, long life span) Dwarves: Scottish (accent) Aumaua: African-american (muscular, rougher skin) Trolls (warcraft): Jamaican (accent) yeeaaahh, it's really foolish for game companies to use real world biology as a reference to create fantasy creature...small minded peeps... Edited September 28, 2014 by Kiofs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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