Nonek Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 What are feelings? Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Maybe the best way to say "I respect that" is not to continue on with calling someone "abnormal". Can you see how someone might find that disrespectful? Your point is that the media reflects it? Yes, Dutch media reflected the view that somehow, the loss of people who lived in this country was somehow worse or more shocking than than the loss of any other human being. I find that to be demeaning and offensive to the other human beings that lost their lives in that crash. It's unethical. Either way, I'll point you to Hurlshot's post. I don't know where you got the idea that showing "empathy" is normal, but it's not the world I live in. I can recall when I heard about most recent tragedies, no matter who was with me at the time, someone around me responded with a bad joke. I'm confused by what you think is empathy anyway. If I were to become familiar with the victim, or confronted with the victims family, I would likely place myself in their shoes and yes, I would feel empathy. Doing so for people you do not know anything about is not only abnormal, it is impossible. Most of the supposed shows of empathy from people or the media aren't really empathy. It's the show of "I am sorry for your loss and I extend my sympathies". The fact that Dutch media made it about how "we lost our people" is offensive to me, a misappropriation of a terrible thing that demeans the very real loss of people that they actually have emotional connections to that others have gone through. I'm not sure why you would consider a lack of empathic response to subjects with no emotional connection to be a bad thing in the first place. To me it looks like you're trying to shame people for not having an emotional response as if emotional responses are a choice. Sorry if you feel disrespected, I was just being honest. I respect your view that is what you think but I find it abnormal because that's not how the average person would look at a tragedy that effects the citizens of there own country But you already seem to acknowledge this as the Dutch media showed this concern towards its dead citizens and you didn't understand why, in fact you were offended by this. I can't really explain to you why most people would automatically show more concern to there own citizens killed in a tragedy, its just the way human beings think. Its probably got to do with a level of patriotism and the fact we generally see citizens of our own country as part of our greater community on a national level, citizens in a country are like a tribe. We share a common identify and when someone who belongs to that "tribe " is killed this impacts us on certain levels Empathy in this case would just mean you do feel for the families and the loss. Its something that you don't feel good about. And yes to be totally unconcerned if citizens of your own country are killed in a particular event I think is not right. Sorry to say this The frustrating thing about you lately is that I can't tell if you're intentionally insulting people or not but you do it so constantly that it simply cannot be another way. First off, I take offense to the implication that I don't care at all about citizens of my country being killed when all I said is that I don't value citizens of my country any higher or lower than citizens of any other country, because doing so is unethical. I also take offense to your statement that I don't understand why the Dutch media showed "concern". I understand that perfectly well and I vehemently contest your assessment that it is empathy or even anything related to empathy. I also still take offense to the implication that not showing empathy while not having an emotion connection is abnormal as you have yet to prove in any substantial form that these responses are empathic responses or that they are responses that the average person has. Simply put, I don't think you know what empathy is. Here's the facts: The idea that a country is some sort of enormous tribe is a projection. It cannot exist. If an actual tribe becomes significantly larger than that society's average Dunbar's number (usually somewhere between 150 and 200), it splits. It is impossible to have an emotional connection to more people than the human brain allows and therefore impossible to have a real empathy for them. The fact that the "average" media person (again, I contest your claim that the "average" person does the same because in my personal experience this has never and will never be true) tends to make empathic statements anyway proves not that they have empathy but that they either instinctively fake it because of expectations or project the loss upon themselves (probably under the guise of nationalism), which isn't empathy but self-pity. Were I to read about these people right now and understand who they were, their names, their lives, and form an emotional connection, I would have an empathic reaction. I would have something to identify with, and therefore I would have an empathic response. If you have seen a lot of personal information about these victims? Guess what, you're having an empathic reaction because you have an emotional connection, not because you have some magic "caring about every stranger's life". Maybe the response you lament us not having is culturally respectful, or culturally appropriate, but it certainly isn't nor will it ever be empathy. What happens with nationalism is that the brain can't recognize more people than, again, Dunbar's Number. So it takes more people and internalizes them as a single entity. These good people I know aren't individuals, they're my nationality. It's a projection of belonging with a positive group fit only for people who can't form close emotional connections to the actual people around them. Nationalism on a biological level is the same as discrimination. It's the difference between "this one guy of [race, gender or nationality] is an individual who commited a crime" and "this one guy of [race, gender or nationality] is a criminal, people of [race, gender or nationality] must be criminals". As my country is often referred to as a "melting pot", I can tell you for a fact that nationalism has been nothing else but a source of countless problems and discrimination here. "This guy is dead, but it's worse because he's one of ours!" Does that seem like a good response to you? I think it demeans the entire human race and the fact you consider it "normal" is frankly the most scathing condemnation of modern society I can think of. Okay I did misunderstand you, I thought you were surprised that the Dutch media showed concern for it citizens who were killed. When in fact you were saying they should have shown the same concern for all the people killed. I apologize for misinterpreting what you meant Anyway my point doesn't really change, the media of any country will always seemed more concerned with deaths of there own citizens. That doesn't mean they aren't worried about the deaths of other citizens So for me you don't need to have real visibility around the deaths of citizens of your own country before you feel empathy. Just the fact that you hear that people of your country have been killed is enough to feel empathy. Of course the emotional connection gets more serious when you see who they were and how there loss effects relatives And I don't think being concerned with your own citizens first and then others second makes you a bad person and I don't agree this is a form of discrimination. So I have no problem with Nationalism as long as it doesn't lead to automatic discrimination against foreigners "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Will probably listen to the new Smashing Pumpkins song for the rest of this day. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 This is really deep and ****, but today I actually got a bunch of work done after suspecting mon through wed that I've burned out. Could've been the fact its payday, but... Now crashed out at the computer, gathering the strength to do some serious soup to tide me over the weekend. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 You guys lead boring lives... so double post, re Halloween party costume: You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 You guys lead boring lives... so double post, re Halloween party costume: That would be a cool costume - hmm - what to do as a bald guy though. Also slightly freaked out. It's 20 min past midnight and I live next door to a nursery/kindergarden (yes do they evacuate the kids from the ajoirning room from time to time, I do try to behave though... really!) ... aaaanyway, there's a soft melody coming from in there. Childish like, on a xylophone - kling klang kling klang -pause- kling klang kling. I'm sure it's haunted, how do I exorcise kid demons? 1 Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Use fire and burn down the house. 4 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Today I'm working in the garden, cutting wood for the fireplace, staining the two wood rocking chairs I'm trying to make, and then listening to college FB & Game 4 on my XM Radio while enjoying a glass or two (or three) of fine 9 year old single batch bourbon. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 You guys lead boring lives... so double post, re Halloween party costume: That would be a cool costume - hmm - what to do as a bald guy though. Also slightly freaked out. It's 20 min past midnight and I live next door to a nursery/kindergarden (yes do they evacuate the kids from the ajoirning room from time to time, I do try to behave though... really!) ... aaaanyway, there's a soft melody coming from in there. Childish like, on a xylophone - kling klang kling klang -pause- kling klang kling. I'm sure it's haunted, how do I exorcise kid demons? Drug fueled orgy with hot women. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Lay in bed for a long time. Got up and breakfasted lazily. Read newspapers. Played Diablo 3 with son on PS4. Wrote for a bit. Messed about and enjoyed hour of internet serendipity. Walked hund mit Frau Monte Carlo. Am off to see Fury at the cinema followed by dinner with Frau MC. All in all, a very pleasant day. Tomorrow am planning beer-based (even lazier) Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Lay in bed for a long time. Got up and breakfasted lazily. Read newspapers. Played Diablo 3 with son on PS4. Wrote for a bit. Messed about and enjoyed hour of internet serendipity. Walked hund mit Frau Monte Carlo. Am off to see Fury at the cinema followed by dinner with Frau MC. All in all, a very pleasant day. Tomorrow am planning beer-based (even lazier) Sunday. be advised, am informed that the film handles prisoner taking in a horrendously schlock fashion. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I have been working the whole weekend so its been productive but not very entertaining. I did manage to go to an excellent restaurant last night called Eisbein and Co and had a few drinks and ate some of the best Eisbein I have ever eaten. "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Ah, Halloween. Forgot it's a Friday this year, means more damn kids will be around to collect their candy in an almost joyless, business fashion. Hopefully there's a cold snap. Still PC parts shopping today, think I've nailed down my laptop purchase now just need to go through Tom's and other sites to pick PC parts. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Saw John Wick. It was good. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManifestedISO Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Thirty days, man. Clean and free. I thought I'd save about $125 a month, and I have, but the temptation to buy a new wardrobe you know in your heart will never smell like tobacco is too powerful. 5 All Stop. On Screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm planning a trip to Italy (all over) and was wondering if you fine people know of any must see places besides the most famous and touristy places. Thanks in advance Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm planning a trip to Italy (all over) and was wondering if you fine people know of any must see places besides the most famous and touristy places. Thanks in advance I like lake Garda. That said, you could spend a lifetime in Rome and several weeks in Naples or Sicily. I know I have. 1 You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm planning a trip to Italy (all over) and was wondering if you fine people know of any must see places besides the most famous and touristy places. Thanks in advance Spend a lot of time in Naples. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Id love to go to Italy but I would go to the touristy spots. Im a sucker for ruins and Italy has some of the best. Wouldn't mind checking out Venice either but I hear it stinks like a garbage dump. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labadal Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Id love to go to Italy but I would go to the touristy spots. Im a sucker for ruins and Italy has some of the best. Wouldn't mind checking out Venice either but I hear it stinks like a garbage dump. It does. A few friends have been there and while they all say that they liked it, they were happy to be rid of the smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadedWolf Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) Had a job interview. Got told that they'd let me know if I was one of the 10 lucky ones out of the 200 that applied to go through to the second round. Yay. Regarding Halloween: Edited October 27, 2014 by JadedWolf 3 Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labadal Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 ^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc_RSBMFT7g 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGX-17 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) Got back from Zion. The Narrows: Virgin River near the Narrows: Zion Canyon from The Watchman (The buildings are, clockwise from the bottom: Employee housing, campground by the Visitors' center, Administration building and museum.) : And from the Canyon Overlook trail: Edited October 27, 2014 by AGX-17 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadedWolf Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) ^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc_RSBMFT7g It was more along the lines of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_bsMGsBjWc Edited October 27, 2014 by JadedWolf Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 http://news.yahoo.com/no-laughing-matter-clown-terror-spreads-france-005440754.html Didn't this start when Woldan said he'd be going away for a while? 2 You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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