BruceVC Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I have just watched an interview on BBC from Carl Bildt, the Swedish foreign minister, about the Russian troops in Ukraine. He is a very articulate, intelligent and reasonable man and he was critical and scathing about the Russian troops now in eastern Ukraine. Russia needs to realize that these actions are making it very unpopular from the countries in the world that matter, they should pull out completely from Ukraine to avoid further economic punitive measures "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I read that Ella Poljak (Putins advisor) confirms that Ah yeah - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/us-ukraine-crisis-invasion-polyakova-idUSKBN0GS14K20140828 So looks like it is on then. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) Ah yeah - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/us-ukraine-crisis-invasion-polyakova-idUSKBN0GS14K20140828 So looks like it is on then. Not really, they are just giving the rebels a push and supporting them just enough to cause a stale mate. If the Ukraine government continues down this path they will seal the fate of their economy. I wonder how helpful the countries around Ukraine will be when refuges start pouring in. Edited August 28, 2014 by Sarex "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgambit Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) From Canadian NATO delegation: "Geography can be tough. Here’s a guide for Russian soldiers who keep getting lost & ‘accidentally’ entering Ukraine" https://twitter.com/CanadaNATO/statuses/504651534198927361 Edited August 28, 2014 by kgambit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yet another contribution by the yapping chihuahua that is Canada. 2 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Wait isn't Crimea Russian now? I thought that was over. "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Nah it isn't over for Canada at least. Apparently that map left Kalinigrad out as a part of Russia, but no one knows much about exclaves. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) I read that Ella Poljak (Putins advisor) confirms that Ah yeah - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/us-ukraine-crisis-invasion-polyakova-idUSKBN0GS14K20140828 So looks like it is on then. she believed People often belived in strange things. Santa Claus, UFO, God, Conspirancies etc. This is not proof. West and Kievan Junta begin cry about Russian troops when they has been defeated by rebels, looks like NATO just try find casus belli for intervention. Anyway US and Ukraine is boy who constantly cry "Wolf". Nobody belive to them now, if they do want say something they must give evidence of own words firstly. Personally i don't see something wrong if Russia support East Ukrainians by arms, US and NATO do this constantly ( freshest examples are Syria, Lybia ( where situation become terrible now ) , Ukraine (NATO send arms and mercs to here) ), West don't have moral right to blame us for same things as West do. Personally i don't see something wrong if Russia invade Ukrainine and exterminate Junta regime. They are enemies of us, better method to meeting with enemies is just kill them. Blitzkrieg in Georgian style anyway is better than current bloodbath in Ukraine. We are peaceful people, but we don't want waste time for useless talking with hostile forces, who constantly trying backstab us. Edited August 28, 2014 by obyknven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I have just watched an interview on BBC from Carl Bildt, the Swedish foreign minister, about the Russian troops in Ukraine. He is a very articulate, intelligent and reasonable man and he was critical and scathing about the Russian troops now in eastern Ukraine. Russia needs to realize that these actions are making it very unpopular from the countries in the world that matter, they should pull out completely from Ukraine to avoid further economic punitive measures Sweden is where? I imagine how Russians become sad after blaming by Thailand or Turkey or Finland (Bulgaria, Cyprus, Egypt, Italy, Catalonia, Israel, BRICS etc), but it's totally don't important what Sweden talk about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 . We are peaceful people " we are peaceful people " I would hate to see what Russian belligerence looks like if these are the actions of a peaceful nation "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Well, they are about as peaceful as the boys on the other side of the fence. State wise. In terms of actual people, also the same, both sets aren't violent nutcases, heh. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I have just watched an interview on BBC from Carl Bildt, the Swedish foreign minister, about the Russian troops in Ukraine. He is a very articulate, intelligent and reasonable man and he was critical and scathing about the Russian troops now in eastern Ukraine. Russia needs to realize that these actions are making it very unpopular from the countries in the world that matter, they should pull out completely from Ukraine to avoid further economic punitive measures Sweden is where? I imagine how Russians become sad after blaming by Thailand or Turkey or Finland (Bulgaria, Cyprus, Egypt, Italy, Catalonia, Israel, BRICS etc), but it's totally don't important what Sweden talk about us. Really, you don't care what Sweden thinks? I would imagine that Russia wants every ally it can get? Sweden does have influence in the EU and I think that is significant ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Sweden does have influence in the EU and I think that is significant ? EU is totally controlled by US and because of this they acted hostile anyway. Really interested regions for us is Latin America, where many countries stay friendly with us, Asia (Iran, India, China, IndoChina etc), Africa. Sweden has no influence in these areas also. We really don't have reasons for worrying about Swedish politicians. Why you personally so hurted by Russia? It's because South African president is quite friendly with us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Sweden does have influence in the EU and I think that is significant ? EU is totally controlled by US and because of this they acted hostile anyway. Really interested regions for us is Latin America, where many countries stay friendly with us, Asia (Iran, India, China, IndoChina etc), Africa. Sweden has no influence in these areas also. We really don't have reasons for worrying about Swedish politicians. Why you personally so hurted by Russia? It's because South African president is quite friendly with us? Yeah its a bit of a sensitive point our president going on a 5 day trade visit to Russia. But we are friends with everyone. 2 weeks ago we went to the USA for an African and USA trade summit and we always seeing the Chinese. We are always looking for investment Just to be clear, I have no issues with the Russian people. My issue is with the aggressive political policies of Putin. I think is a destabilizing factor for the whole region "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just to be clear, I have no issues with the Russian people. My issue is with the aggressive political policies of Putin. I think is a destabilizing factor for the whole region He do just what Russian people do want be doing. Actually he has been criticized for too cautious actions, people do want more warlike ruler than Putin. In other words your problem is not Russian ruler but Russian people. If you want solve this you must do want total extermination of Russians, but i fear you not to hardcore for such things. Anyway nobody has possibility to do this and this means foreigners must shut up and stop interfere in events on our territory (all ex-USSR space), all what happened there is our internal business... If they want to live of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I do have sympathy for the Ukrainians but they are exaggerating a bit, they are saying this is a full blown Russian invasion and the fate of Europe is threatened. I know they are saying this as they are obviously emotional and concerned but we need to keep things in context. This is not a full blown Russian invasion "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Annexate Königsberg. Tit for tat. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWN_babaYaga Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 sad that people dont see that there are very real neo nazis at work in the ukraine. And no, they are not just some random idiots bashing in heads of some darker skinned people. They are in the army, in the government and even in the press for interviews. But hey, it´s the good neo nazis ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just to be clear, I have no issues with the Russian people. My issue is with the aggressive political policies of Putin. I think is a destabilizing factor for the whole region He do just what Russian people do want be doing. Actually he has been criticized for too cautious actions, people do want more warlike ruler than Putin. In other words your problem is not Russian ruler but Russian people. If you want solve this you must do want total extermination of Russians, but i fear you not to hardcore for such things. Anyway nobody has possibility to do this and this means foreigners must shut up and stop interfere in events on our territory (all ex-USSR space), all what happened there is our internal business... If they want to live of course. You see that's where you misunderstand the Wests intentions, the West isn't interfering. The West is trying to guide Russia to achieve its full potential and continue to work to become an important member of the international community, because we live in a global world and you don't want to end up ostracized like North Korea "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Doubt Russia will end up like NK, ever. India, Brazil, China are some big places that will do business with them still and other smaller countries around the world. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barothmuk Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 You see that's where you misunderstand the Wests intentions, the West isn't interfering.Nah, the West is interfering. This whole kerfuffle escalated when the West backed anti-Russian sections within Ukraine so they could drag Ukrainian markets within the Western sphere. In turn the Russians respond by grabbing hold of whatever sections of the Ukraine they can maintain domination over. It's stupid to play cheerleader for either side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 You see that's where you misunderstand the Wests intentions, the West isn't interfering. The West is trying to guide Russia to achieve its full potential and continue to work to become an important member of the international community, because we live in a global world and you don't want to end up ostracized like North Korea Lol. Do you really believe what West can guide such progressive creatures as we are? Dude we are firstly in world make progressive socialist Revolution (but backward Europe don't make same thing and World Revolution fail). We create Transhumanism more than 100 years ago, we make sexual Revolution in same time, we create all these fashions, arts, space explorations etc. We overtaken Humanity at 60-100 years, we alone (pathetic 200 millions) during 70 years successful fight against whole world, we break all these colonial empires, our fall cause total regress everywhere, whole Humanity just begin slide into new Dark Ages after this. And now you think we let barbaric West guide us? West really has nothing interested for us. Do West can give to us immortality, cure from all diseases? Nope. Maybe space exploration? Again nope. Artificial life? New energy sources, cold synthesis? Transcendency? Not. For Western social structure all these things are not needed, all what West have is junkfood, cheap consumer goods and hallucinogenic Hollywood movies about life what never available for West (adventures, sci-fi, beautyful girls). West can't guide us in everything. West can't produce nothing, West can only steal instead. http://youtu.be/NK0Y9j_CGgM Third world is totally different, they yet weak and undeveloped ones, but they have perspectives to become really great, and someday they can guide Humanity into bright future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Annexate Königsberg. Tit for tat. Do want. But Germany must reconquer Polish Baltic sea coast firstly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktchong Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) I have not decided if I should support Russia or Ukraine. Hm. Who has hotter women? Whose women are more willing to date Asian men? Russia or Ukraine? Edited August 29, 2014 by ktchong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I have not decided if I should support Russia or Ukraine. Hm. Who has hotter women? Whose women are more willing to date Asian men? Russia or Ukraine? Well to be honest both countries have hot women but for me some of the most attractive strippers and escorts I have ever met are Russian 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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